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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
May 13 2020 19:13 GMT
#21
It’s obvious ESL put a lot of thought into this which is super nice
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
May 13 2020 20:02 GMT
#22
I wish they kept esl opens on sunday. I think the simple solution that is if there is another tournament giving esl points that day, then for that week only move it back to monday.

But overall happy to see them noticing how successful the weekly cups have been. The best matches and games in sc2 are all coming from there it seems. Best thing to happen to the game in awhile.

I would like to see them give more points for esl cups too but I get they probably dont want to do that during the middle of the year
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-13 20:05:13
May 13 2020 20:04 GMT
#23
On May 14 2020 05:02 ssg wrote:
I wish they kept esl opens on sunday. I think the simple solution that is if there is another tournament giving esl points that day, then for that week only move it back to monday.

But overall happy to see them noticing how successful the weekly cups have been. The best matches and games in sc2 are all coming from there it seems. Best thing to happen to the game in awhile.

I would like to see them give more points for esl cups too but I get they probably dont want to do that during the middle of the year

I’m pretty sure they moved it because they will have a bigger broadcast almost every Sunday, also it’s not starting until mid June so there are a couple more weeks of ESL opens on Sundays
CMS_Flash
Profile Joined October 2013
Hong Kong47 Posts
May 13 2020 22:45 GMT
#24
These changes sounds really like what is absolutely needed. Very reasonable format.
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WardiTV
Profile Joined September 2016
597 Posts
May 13 2020 23:10 GMT
#25
On May 14 2020 03:04 argonautdice wrote:
Looks well thought-out and fair. My nitpick is that I'm not a big fan of the 8-person round robin group. I think 4-person GSL-style groups would be better because it can help the players to focus on studying their opponents better. Also the presentation is less confusing.


8 player round robin group where you play one or two matches a day is in theory better than a gsl group though? Because you can focus on one opponent at a time. Depends how spread out the games are.

On May 14 2020 05:04 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2020 05:02 ssg wrote:
I wish they kept esl opens on sunday. I think the simple solution that is if there is another tournament giving esl points that day, then for that week only move it back to monday.

But overall happy to see them noticing how successful the weekly cups have been. The best matches and games in sc2 are all coming from there it seems. Best thing to happen to the game in awhile.

I would like to see them give more points for esl cups too but I get they probably dont want to do that during the middle of the year

I’m pretty sure they moved it because they will have a bigger broadcast almost every Sunday, also it’s not starting until mid June so there are a couple more weeks of ESL opens on Sundays


The cups will start on Mondays from the next ones.
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10110 Posts
May 13 2020 23:29 GMT
#26
looks good, lets see how it is played
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
CMS_Flash
Profile Joined October 2013
Hong Kong47 Posts
May 14 2020 01:33 GMT
#27
The only point I don't understand is how come they think SEA means Taiwan/Hong Kong/Macau/Japan lol. Completely irrelevant terms.
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dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
May 14 2020 01:44 GMT
#28
WCS 2012 was really exciting to watch, so I like going back to more regional play! Seems like the best way to mitigate issues of latency, though obviously there will always be issues with online play. Having to play on the NA server from Korea seems like a good way to create some drawback for double dipping for the GSL + circuit players.
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oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
May 14 2020 06:40 GMT
#29
Really good news I think!
hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-14 07:55:39
May 14 2020 07:30 GMT
#30
On May 14 2020 05:02 ssg wrote:
I wish they kept esl opens on sunday. I think the simple solution that is if there is another tournament giving esl points that day, then for that week only move it back to monday.

But overall happy to see them noticing how successful the weekly cups have been. The best matches and games in sc2 are all coming from there it seems. Best thing to happen to the game in awhile.

I would like to see them give more points for esl cups too but I get they probably dont want to do that during the middle of the year


Hi, starting this week we have TSL on Sundays (and Saturdays) and the week after TSL is finished they will start the Masters Divisions Qualifiers (some of them also probably on Sunday), then there are the different pases of the Divisions which will also take every of the following Sundays, so i think moving the ESL Cups now is the right thing to do.

But atm it seems unclear if they really moved them to Monday or even Tuesday (the official brackets for the Open Cups say Tuesday)

Also the official EPT page, the official announcement, the rule book and the announcement here on tl.net contradict each other in several things.

We have a contact to ESL on the Liquipedia discord, who now helps us with figuring this all out in the next days, so we can properly display everything on liquipedia.^^
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hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-14 09:00:19
May 14 2020 07:54 GMT
#31
Imo the slot distribution is quite unfair towards EU players (with the current rankings not even Clem would make the cut)

percentages of EU players in the last Blizzcon/IEM Katowice (and the upcoming IEM Katowice 2021)
Blizzcon: 5/16 = ~31.3%
IEM Katowice 2020 (Top 36): 10/36 = ~27.8%
IEM Katowice 2021 (Top 36): 7/36 = ~19.4% (in best case it would be 8/36 = ~22.2%, if an european wins the global DH Masters in January 2021)

Rest looks very good to me (except for missing and contradictory information)
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-14 09:42:52
May 14 2020 09:42 GMT
#32
Very good news. It's great to see, once again, that ESL are putting so much thought in to creating a reasonable and entertaining system. I trust that they will continue to improve the setup as things progress and everyone learns more.

Maybe we are also getting some idea of how the 2021-22 EPT could look like without region lock. I think it's great that Koreans will participate in the Season Finals.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
tilhorizon
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany191 Posts
May 14 2020 10:30 GMT
#33
unfair
NA has to many spots. weak na players will get through while better EU players cant
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
May 14 2020 10:35 GMT
#34
2013's season finals were quite possibly the best tournaments I have seen. Really cool to see them being brought back
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19322 Posts
May 14 2020 11:39 GMT
#35
On May 14 2020 03:41 Waxangel wrote:
Shades of WCS 2012 here by shifting focus to smaller, continent/region level tournaments. Quite interested to see how viewership is for non-Europe regions!

They have my view in other regions if they have a good casting crew available for them. If it turns in to Native Language casting as the primary stream, then it becomes less interesting to me. In the areas where players are lesser known, it's hard to get invested in them unless a caster is there to give insight as to who they are.
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
May 14 2020 11:59 GMT
#36
Thank you for everything to everyone involved in this ESL Pro Tour.
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Ignorant prodigy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States385 Posts
May 14 2020 12:14 GMT
#37
they really need a better VOD system. their twitch channel is a spoiler fest and extremely disorganized.
http://www.twitch.tv/ignorantprodigy playing masters random with no hotkeys......big pimpin'
99percent
Profile Joined October 2019
4 Posts
May 14 2020 12:28 GMT
#38
I like all these pragmatic changes except the weekly cups moved on Mondays. Most of the people will be at work and unable to watch them, unless it is scheduled in the evening.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7139 Posts
May 14 2020 12:39 GMT
#39
I dont understand this

https://tl.net/staff/Olli/Spots_for_Katowice.jpg

I thought this is what the points are for?
Anybody understood this and care to explain in lamen terms?
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 14 2020 13:25 GMT
#40
On May 14 2020 21:39 Harris1st wrote:
I dont understand this

https://tl.net/staff/Olli/Spots_for_Katowice.jpg

I thought this is what the points are for?
Anybody understood this and care to explain in lamen terms?


Points decide qualification for Katowice in every division. There are 5 spots available for the European division and the top 5 in the European ranking get seeded into the Ro24 at Katowice. Other divisions have their own point systems and different amounts of seeds to play for.

Obviously with 7 different leagues they can't reasonably have qualification decided by a global points ranking. Points are harder to earn in Europe than in OCE, for example.
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