RagnaroK: i leave Chivo SC. Thank you for supporting me !
UPDATE (7. 4. 2020, 17:00 CEST)
An official announcement was supposed to be coming out in about a week.
On April 07 2020 20:45 olimoley wrote: We are waiting on other members of the Chivo team to receive the news privately before we release a public announcement.
Olimoley is the team manager of Chivo SC.
On April 07 2020 22:51 Major wrote: so i woke up with a message telling me because covid 19. the team would be disbanded. now while i respect that.
no one can honestly expect me to hold this for 1 week.(when they planned to make it public) while i was happy with what chivo did for us and they always threated us well. i cannot go 1 week acting like nothing happeend on my stream or trying to find a new job.
i just want to say i am sad.
Major is SpeCial, as most of you will probably already know.
Sad news. I think it will make them stronger(the pro players). sounds like a very impulsively action, not ok for the pro players since their life depends on it. i wonder how the pro contracts are looking that they can just disband the contract.
always with special D: hope he can find another team soon, he is one of the foreigners still putting up amazing results in korea over such a long period.
Very surprising news. Chivo seemed like a really well functioning SC2 division, with not only players competing in GTC but also several of the biggest streamers in sc2 under their banner. Looking forward to hearing why this happened.
CranK just said on stream that apparently Special broke the embargo about the team disbandment. From what I hear it seems like it was supposed to be tmr when it's announced but special outright just said it today. He seemed pretty pissed on stream, and it been a few months since I saw him that displeased on cam.
On April 07 2020 21:26 op11er wrote: CranK just said on stream that apparently Special broke the embargo about the team disbandment. From what I hear it seems like it was supposed to be tmr when it's announced but special outright just said it today. He seemed pretty pissed on stream, and it been a few months since I saw him that displeased on cam.
Why would there be an embargo on someone losing their team? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Special needs to worry about himself and get his name out there so he can find a new team.
Honestly very possible that, considering that the owner is in Mexico and Juan is in Korea, there was some confusion over the date of the announcement. Could also be that Juan just wasn't told or missed the fact that he wasn't supposed to say it yet. It's not necessarily, for lack of a better word, malicious, although it is a possibility that Juan did intentionally announce early because of the suddenness of losing his salary, or even just because he (like me) thought it was just stupid and pointless to keep that information under wraps. Who knows.
From what I remember, the owner of the team was a Mexican business man with some disposable income. Most likely, with the current economic situation, that excess income is now gone.
On April 07 2020 21:26 op11er wrote: CranK just said on stream that apparently Special broke the embargo about the team disbandment. From what I hear it seems like it was supposed to be tmr when it's announced but special outright just said it today. He seemed pretty pissed on stream, and it been a few months since I saw him that displeased on cam.
Why would there be an embargo on someone losing their team? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Special needs to worry about himself and get his name out there so he can find a new team.
Because you wouln't like to read on TL or Twitter that you have lost your job before you get the information from your employer ;-)
On April 07 2020 21:26 op11er wrote: CranK just said on stream that apparently Special broke the embargo about the team disbandment. From what I hear it seems like it was supposed to be tmr when it's announced but special outright just said it today. He seemed pretty pissed on stream, and it been a few months since I saw him that displeased on cam.
Why would there be an embargo on someone losing their team? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Special needs to worry about himself and get his name out there so he can find a new team.
Because you wouln't like to read on TL or Twitter that you have lost your job before you get the information from your employer ;-)
I would prefer to find out as soon as possible regardless of source if it's effective immediately like this appears to be.
It's also a little ridiculous that there's 2 *hours* between Juan's tweet about learning bad news, and his announcement that he is teamless, and even 3 hours after that, Chivo apparently still has not actually told all their players about it? Like, the idea that when a team disbands, some players are being told about it 5+ hours after others (especially a team of 8 people) is kind of ridiculous. I have immense respect for Olimoley and everything she has done for Starcraft, but this isn't a good look.
On April 07 2020 22:23 Psychonian wrote: It's also a little ridiculous that there's 2 *hours* between Juan's tweet about learning bad news, and his announcement that he is teamless, and even 3 hours after that, Chivo apparently still has not actually told all their players about it? Like, the idea that when a team disbands, some players are being told about it 5+ hours after others (especially a team of 8 people) is kind of ridiculous. I have immense respect for Olimoley and everything she has done for Starcraft, but this isn't a good look.
MCanning lives in the US and streamed into the night, so he should be asleep right now. I think they send him a massage, but it's not that easy to read a massage when you are asleep, so chill dude.
On April 07 2020 21:26 op11er wrote: CranK just said on stream that apparently Special broke the embargo about the team disbandment. From what I hear it seems like it was supposed to be tmr when it's announced but special outright just said it today. He seemed pretty pissed on stream, and it been a few months since I saw him that displeased on cam.
Why would there be an embargo on someone losing their team? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Special needs to worry about himself and get his name out there so he can find a new team.
Because you wouln't like to read on TL or Twitter that you have lost your job before you get the information from your employer ;-)
I would prefer to find out as soon as possible regardless of source if it's effective immediately like this appears to be.
The players were told before, they just wanted to make sure everyone was told before going publicly, seems ok to me
On April 07 2020 22:14 Psychonian wrote: Honestly very possible that, considering that the owner is in Mexico and Juan is in Korea, there was some confusion over the date of the announcement. Could also be that Juan just wasn't told or missed the fact that he wasn't supposed to say it yet. It's not necessarily, for lack of a better word, malicious, although it is a possibility that Juan did intentionally announce early because of the suddenness of losing his salary, or even just because he (like me) thought it was just stupid and pointless to keep that information under wraps. Who knows.
so i woke up with a message telling me because covid 19. the team would be disbanded. now while i respect that.
no one can honestly expect me to hold this for 1 week.(when they planned to make it public) while i was happy with what chivo did for us and they always threated us well. i cannot go 1 week acting like nothing happeend on my stream or trying to find a new job.
On April 07 2020 22:14 Psychonian wrote: Honestly very possible that, considering that the owner is in Mexico and Juan is in Korea, there was some confusion over the date of the announcement. Could also be that Juan just wasn't told or missed the fact that he wasn't supposed to say it yet. It's not necessarily, for lack of a better word, malicious, although it is a possibility that Juan did intentionally announce early because of the suddenness of losing his salary, or even just because he (like me) thought it was just stupid and pointless to keep that information under wraps. Who knows.
so i woke up with a message telling me because covid 19. the team would be disbanded. now while i respect that.
no one can honestly expect me to hold this for 1 week.(when they planned to make it public) while i was happy with what chivo did for us and they always threated us well. i cannot go 1 week acting like nothing happeend on my stream or trying to find a new job.
i just want to say i am sad.
I think your actions are justified, a week is ridiculous and seems this was handled poorly by the organization.
On April 07 2020 22:23 Psychonian wrote: It's also a little ridiculous that there's 2 *hours* between Juan's tweet about learning bad news, and his announcement that he is teamless, and even 3 hours after that, Chivo apparently still has not actually told all their players about it? Like, the idea that when a team disbands, some players are being told about it 5+ hours after others (especially a team of 8 people) is kind of ridiculous. I have immense respect for Olimoley and everything she has done for Starcraft, but this isn't a good look.
I was asked to provide the news to the players I managed per the team owner's request, and provide the given time frame the announcement would be announced so all game divisions under the team could be informed. I'm sorry you feel my last responsibilities were not a good reflection of something out of my control.
Ah well, it may not be the last one to fall, not sure what JinAir future will be. Esport in general could be in trouble, it's still mostly speculative money.
Anyway, thanks to Olimoley for her hard work running the team and making sure her player would have the chance to fly out to events where other team would not, to Crank for bridging the gap between the foreign and korean scence, to Mcanning for being the greatest, to all the player that has passed through the team and to all those behind the scene. Chivo always seemed genuinely dedicated in creating something nice within the scene, hopefully everyone can fall on their feet.
So basically Special didn't want to wait 12-24h till american players (who were sleeping at that moment) receive the news and announced it unilaterally. No surprises there, I really like him, but he has had that unprofessional/childish behaviour before.
The thing is, were they gonna announce it 1 week later, or tomorrow? that really makes a big difference regarding Juan's action.
Anyway, let's hope the players and streamers find teams or sponsors soon.
On April 08 2020 03:35 Elmonti wrote: So basically Special didn't want to wait 12-24h till american players (who were sleeping at that moment) receive the news and announced it unilaterally. No surprises there, I really like him, but he has had that unprofessional/childish behaviour before.
The thing is, were they gonna announce it 1 week later, or tomorrow? that really makes a big difference regarding Juan's action.
Anyway, let's hope the players and streamers find teams or sponsors soon.
Lol that's the opposite of unprofessional. If you find yourself unemployed, you are supposed to announce it immediately and shout it from the rooftops so you can find your next oppurtunity as a professional. Get ahead of it. You dont owe anything to a faceless organization.
On April 08 2020 03:35 Elmonti wrote: So basically Special didn't want to wait 12-24h till american players (who were sleeping at that moment) receive the news and announced it unilaterally. No surprises there, I really like him, but he has had that unprofessional/childish behaviour before.
The thing is, were they gonna announce it 1 week later, or tomorrow? that really makes a big difference regarding Juan's action.
Anyway, let's hope the players and streamers find teams or sponsors soon.
Lol that's the opposite of unprofessional. If you find yourself unemployed, you are supposed to announce it immediately and shout it from the rooftops so you can find your next oppurtunity as a professional. Get ahead of it. You dont owe anything to a faceless organization.
That faceless organization has been paying him (and a lot of other players/streamers) for a year, and he has had 0 problems with them as he said. If they tell you to wait a couple of days so that the rest of people can receive the news and they can release a public statement, you should be able to be professional enough to wait those 2 days without writing a fucking tweet about it (preceeded by a tweet complaining about your bad luck or the universe conspiring against you or some 14yo shit). Maybe even he could say he is looking for a team and not say that Chivo has disbanded, which affects a lot of people.
Professional is not doing exactly the opposite thing your employers ask you to do.
But no. "Fuck it, those 2 days are gonna be key to find a new team, so I don't care... also I will say that the team is disbanding before some of my teammates even know even though I've been told not to do it". That's professional according to you.
On April 08 2020 03:35 Elmonti wrote: So basically Special didn't want to wait 12-24h till american players (who were sleeping at that moment) receive the news and announced it unilaterally. No surprises there, I really like him, but he has had that unprofessional/childish behaviour before.
The thing is, were they gonna announce it 1 week later, or tomorrow? that really makes a big difference regarding Juan's action.
Anyway, let's hope the players and streamers find teams or sponsors soon.
Lol that's the opposite of unprofessional. If you find yourself unemployed, you are supposed to announce it immediately and shout it from the rooftops so you can find your next oppurtunity as a professional. Get ahead of it. You dont owe anything to a faceless organization.
That faceless organization has been paying him (and a lot of other players/streamers) for a year, and he has had 0 problems with them as he said. If they tell you to wait a couple of days so that the rest of people can receive the news and they can release a public statement, you should be able to be professional enough to wait those 2 days without writing a fucking tweet about it (preceeded by a tweet complaining about your bad luck or the universe conspiring against you or some 14yo shit). Maybe even he could say he is looking for a team and not say that Chivo has disbanded, which affects a lot of people.
Professional is not doing exactly the opposite thing your employers ask you to do.
But no. "Fuck it, those 2 days are gonna be key to find a new team, so I don't care... also I will say that the team is disbanding before some of my teammates even know even though I've been told not to do it". That's professional according to you.
Uh, they arent his employer. That went up in the air the second they disbanded. The employer who asks you to put your livelyhood on hold for some sort of waiting period while you dont get paid is certainly the one being unprofessional. This is basic HR. If they continued to pay him and made him sign an NDA or something in that regard, sure. But doesnt seem to be the case. If you get relieved from a job, dont wait, get your name out there immediately. Pretty simple.
On April 08 2020 03:35 Elmonti wrote: So basically Special didn't want to wait 12-24h till american players (who were sleeping at that moment) receive the news and announced it unilaterally. No surprises there, I really like him, but he has had that unprofessional/childish behaviour before.
The thing is, were they gonna announce it 1 week later, or tomorrow? that really makes a big difference regarding Juan's action.
Anyway, let's hope the players and streamers find teams or sponsors soon.
Lol that's the opposite of unprofessional. If you find yourself unemployed, you are supposed to announce it immediately and shout it from the rooftops so you can find your next oppurtunity as a professional. Get ahead of it. You dont owe anything to a faceless organization.
That faceless organization has been paying him (and a lot of other players/streamers) for a year, and he has had 0 problems with them as he said. If they tell you to wait a couple of days so that the rest of people can receive the news and they can release a public statement, you should be able to be professional enough to wait those 2 days without writing a fucking tweet about it (preceeded by a tweet complaining about your bad luck or the universe conspiring against you or some 14yo shit). Maybe even he could say he is looking for a team and not say that Chivo has disbanded, which affects a lot of people.
Professional is not doing exactly the opposite thing your employers ask you to do.
But no. "Fuck it, those 2 days are gonna be key to find a new team, so I don't care... also I will say that the team is disbanding before some of my teammates even know even though I've been told not to do it". That's professional according to you.
Uh, they arent his employer. That went up in the air the second they disbanded. The employer who asks you to put your livelyhood on hold for some sort of waiting period while you dont get paid is certainly the one being unprofessional. This is basic HR. If they continued to pay him and made him sign an NDA or something in that regard, sure. But doesnt seem to be the case. If you get relieved from a job, dont wait, get your name out there immediately. Pretty simple.
You act like people can't look for a job without shouting their unemployment to the heavens. It is entirely possible to get in contact with people privately over DMs/email/text/phone and look for a job that way. If there is a planned announcement at a set time, it's incredibly unprofessional to make that announcement ahead of time.
On April 08 2020 03:35 Elmonti wrote: So basically Special didn't want to wait 12-24h till american players (who were sleeping at that moment) receive the news and announced it unilaterally. No surprises there, I really like him, but he has had that unprofessional/childish behaviour before.
The thing is, were they gonna announce it 1 week later, or tomorrow? that really makes a big difference regarding Juan's action.
Anyway, let's hope the players and streamers find teams or sponsors soon.
Lol that's the opposite of unprofessional. If you find yourself unemployed, you are supposed to announce it immediately and shout it from the rooftops so you can find your next oppurtunity as a professional. Get ahead of it. You dont owe anything to a faceless organization.
That faceless organization has been paying him (and a lot of other players/streamers) for a year, and he has had 0 problems with them as he said. If they tell you to wait a couple of days so that the rest of people can receive the news and they can release a public statement, you should be able to be professional enough to wait those 2 days without writing a fucking tweet about it (preceeded by a tweet complaining about your bad luck or the universe conspiring against you or some 14yo shit). Maybe even he could say he is looking for a team and not say that Chivo has disbanded, which affects a lot of people.
Professional is not doing exactly the opposite thing your employers ask you to do.
But no. "Fuck it, those 2 days are gonna be key to find a new team, so I don't care... also I will say that the team is disbanding before some of my teammates even know even though I've been told not to do it". That's professional according to you.
Uh, they arent his employer. That went up in the air the second they disbanded. The employer who asks you to put your livelyhood on hold for some sort of waiting period while you dont get paid is certainly the one being unprofessional. This is basic HR. If they continued to pay him and made him sign an NDA or something in that regard, sure. But doesnt seem to be the case. If you get relieved from a job, dont wait, get your name out there immediately. Pretty simple.
So the moment they tell you privately that the team is disbanding, you don't care no more about them, not what they say/do and your teammates... so you decide to make it public in fucking Twitter.
There are ways to look for job, or let other teams know you are avaidable (maybe your friend's teams? or all those chinese teams/toys?) without being the one that gives the news about a team with a lot of people involved disbanding.
Risking his livelyhood?...They didn't ask him to wait two months, dude... but 1 day... As Crank, Olimoley and others sure did.
Special has all the right to do what he did, I agree. But i do think it's really unprofessional, and immature... Also really ungrateful to a team that has treated him really well, in his own words, to not waiting 24h to let them release an official statement.
Again, we might miss some information, so we are giving opinions based on what we know.
Chivo was doing this professionally and letting the players know about it in advance. I understand that if Chivo stops paying immediately then of course the players will need to look for a different team right away. Waiting a week unpaid is not really reasonable but being able to wait a day or two is. If you as a professional cant stream as normal then... don't stream.
Chivo didn't have to inform him in advance and take the high road but they did, they could just have posted it openly and let Special know from a press release or at the same time. Just the same as Special didn't have to act professional and keep it under wraps, and he didn't.
All this kind of behavior creates is making organizations know that Special is not a person they should inform in advance, if he isn't respectful against the organizations why should the organizations be respectful to him.
I basically agree with Shuffleblade.. In an industry like esports, it's not reasonable to make a player wait a week to announce something like this while they could be looking for a new team. A day or two until every internally knows is appropriate, however, so that context really affects this.
Even if it's not reasonable or appropriate, though, Special shouldn't announce this on his own. It's a bad sign to future potential teams that this player isn't very reliable or responsible with information.
Not really surprised to say that Chivo disbanded, I hope Ragnarok finds a team soon. SpeCiaL is always the center of some SC2 eSports drama duh not surprised there either lol.... Amazing players though nevertheless.
On April 08 2020 10:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I basically agree with Shuffleblade.. In an industry like esports, it's not reasonable to make a player wait a week to announce something like this while they could be looking for a new team. A day or two until every internally knows is appropriate, however, so that context really affects this.
Even if it's not reasonable or appropriate, though, Special shouldn't announce this on his own. It's a bad sign to future potential teams that this player isn't very reliable or responsible with information.
It's nothing new from him, people should already expect him doing things like this.
On April 08 2020 05:13 Russano wrote: Actually, people CAN honestly expect you to hold it for a week. That's what discretion and professionalism look like.
You're fired. Please don't get paid for a week while we sit on this.
On April 08 2020 03:35 Elmonti wrote: So basically Special didn't want to wait 12-24h till american players (who were sleeping at that moment) receive the news and announced it unilaterally. No surprises there, I really like him, but he has had that unprofessional/childish behaviour before.
The thing is, were they gonna announce it 1 week later, or tomorrow? that really makes a big difference regarding Juan's action.
Anyway, let's hope the players and streamers find teams or sponsors soon.
Lol that's the opposite of unprofessional. If you find yourself unemployed, you are supposed to announce it immediately and shout it from the rooftops so you can find your next oppurtunity as a professional. Get ahead of it. You dont owe anything to a faceless organization.
That faceless organization has been paying him (and a lot of other players/streamers) for a year, and he has had 0 problems with them as he said. If they tell you to wait a couple of days so that the rest of people can receive the news and they can release a public statement, you should be able to be professional enough to wait those 2 days without writing a fucking tweet about it (preceeded by a tweet complaining about your bad luck or the universe conspiring against you or some 14yo shit). Maybe even he could say he is looking for a team and not say that Chivo has disbanded, which affects a lot of people.
Professional is not doing exactly the opposite thing your employers ask you to do.
But no. "Fuck it, those 2 days are gonna be key to find a new team, so I don't care... also I will say that the team is disbanding before some of my teammates even know even though I've been told not to do it". That's professional according to you.
Uh, they arent his employer. That went up in the air the second they disbanded. The employer who asks you to put your livelyhood on hold for some sort of waiting period while you dont get paid is certainly the one being unprofessional. This is basic HR. If they continued to pay him and made him sign an NDA or something in that regard, sure. But doesnt seem to be the case. If you get relieved from a job, dont wait, get your name out there immediately. Pretty simple.
You act like people can't look for a job without shouting their unemployment to the heavens. It is entirely possible to get in contact with people privately over DMs/email/text/phone and look for a job that way. If there is a planned announcement at a set time, it's incredibly unprofessional to make that announcement ahead of time.
In eSports? No. you can't. In fact, in eSports, like in most industries, you go through your network first to find a job. So Special doesn't announce it, but goes to TY and says "hey amigo, you know of any teams looking for awesome Mexican terrans?". The first thing TY is gonna do is ask why. What is Special supposed to say then? Lie? And then TY asks around on Special's behalf... sounds like the word is out there anyway. The professional SC2 world is tiny: they all know one another. It's like if a football manager loses his job. People are going to want to know why Pep Guardiola is shopping around for a new team and the Sun will have it plastered all over their frontpage 2 minutes after he sends an email to Barça.
On April 08 2020 03:35 Elmonti wrote: So basically Special didn't want to wait 12-24h till american players (who were sleeping at that moment) receive the news and announced it unilaterally. No surprises there, I really like him, but he has had that unprofessional/childish behaviour before.
The thing is, were they gonna announce it 1 week later, or tomorrow? that really makes a big difference regarding Juan's action.
Anyway, let's hope the players and streamers find teams or sponsors soon.
Lol that's the opposite of unprofessional. If you find yourself unemployed, you are supposed to announce it immediately and shout it from the rooftops so you can find your next oppurtunity as a professional. Get ahead of it. You dont owe anything to a faceless organization.
That faceless organization has been paying him (and a lot of other players/streamers) for a year, and he has had 0 problems with them as he said. If they tell you to wait a couple of days so that the rest of people can receive the news and they can release a public statement, you should be able to be professional enough to wait those 2 days without writing a fucking tweet about it (preceeded by a tweet complaining about your bad luck or the universe conspiring against you or some 14yo shit). Maybe even he could say he is looking for a team and not say that Chivo has disbanded, which affects a lot of people.
Professional is not doing exactly the opposite thing your employers ask you to do.
But no. "Fuck it, those 2 days are gonna be key to find a new team, so I don't care... also I will say that the team is disbanding before some of my teammates even know even though I've been told not to do it". That's professional according to you.
Uh, they arent his employer. That went up in the air the second they disbanded. The employer who asks you to put your livelyhood on hold for some sort of waiting period while you dont get paid is certainly the one being unprofessional. This is basic HR. If they continued to pay him and made him sign an NDA or something in that regard, sure. But doesnt seem to be the case. If you get relieved from a job, dont wait, get your name out there immediately. Pretty simple.
I would not hire you even if you volunteered to work for free, you basic HR. Terrible attitude and ethic... ugh
On April 08 2020 05:13 Russano wrote: Actually, people CAN honestly expect you to hold it for a week. That's what discretion and professionalism look like.
You're fired. Please don't get paid for a week while we sit on this.
On April 08 2020 03:35 Elmonti wrote: So basically Special didn't want to wait 12-24h till american players (who were sleeping at that moment) receive the news and announced it unilaterally. No surprises there, I really like him, but he has had that unprofessional/childish behaviour before.
The thing is, were they gonna announce it 1 week later, or tomorrow? that really makes a big difference regarding Juan's action.
Anyway, let's hope the players and streamers find teams or sponsors soon.
Lol that's the opposite of unprofessional. If you find yourself unemployed, you are supposed to announce it immediately and shout it from the rooftops so you can find your next oppurtunity as a professional. Get ahead of it. You dont owe anything to a faceless organization.
That faceless organization has been paying him (and a lot of other players/streamers) for a year, and he has had 0 problems with them as he said. If they tell you to wait a couple of days so that the rest of people can receive the news and they can release a public statement, you should be able to be professional enough to wait those 2 days without writing a fucking tweet about it (preceeded by a tweet complaining about your bad luck or the universe conspiring against you or some 14yo shit). Maybe even he could say he is looking for a team and not say that Chivo has disbanded, which affects a lot of people.
Professional is not doing exactly the opposite thing your employers ask you to do.
But no. "Fuck it, those 2 days are gonna be key to find a new team, so I don't care... also I will say that the team is disbanding before some of my teammates even know even though I've been told not to do it". That's professional according to you.
Uh, they arent his employer. That went up in the air the second they disbanded. The employer who asks you to put your livelyhood on hold for some sort of waiting period while you dont get paid is certainly the one being unprofessional. This is basic HR. If they continued to pay him and made him sign an NDA or something in that regard, sure. But doesnt seem to be the case. If you get relieved from a job, dont wait, get your name out there immediately. Pretty simple.
You act like people can't look for a job without shouting their unemployment to the heavens. It is entirely possible to get in contact with people privately over DMs/email/text/phone and look for a job that way. If there is a planned announcement at a set time, it's incredibly unprofessional to make that announcement ahead of time.
In eSports? No. you can't. In fact, in eSports, like in most industries, you go through your network first to find a job. So Special doesn't announce it, but goes to TY and says "hey amigo, you know of any teams looking for awesome Mexican terrans?". The first thing TY is gonna do is ask why. What is Special supposed to say then? Lie? And then TY asks around on Special's behalf... sounds like the word is out there anyway. The professional SC2 world is tiny: they all know one another. It's like if a football manager loses his job. People are going to want to know why Pep Guardiola is shopping around for a new team and the Sun will have it plastered all over their frontpage 2 minutes after he sends an email to Barça.
TO the first thing - depends how it works. As far aas I understand they asked for a week of silence, not a week of doing nothing. Special mentioned how much good they have done, mayhbe he could have repaid with a week of silence on social media while not saying anything to the rumors spreading around. To me it seems as a normal thing.
Also usually companies pay you a fee to keep you officially silent.
Edit> he could have said to TY - well, I'm looking for a new job. + Show Spoiler +
I'm going on the work related interviews from time to time in case somebody will outbid my current emplyer.
But he could have even said - look, Chivo is closing down, please keep it to yourself and don't spread the information via any official channel. Rumors and speculations would have been created but...
What's this about a week? It's not even 2 hours. Major/Special couldn't hold it in for less than 2 hours that it would had taken to confirm that all team members have recieved the message.
On the other hand, if you are no longer paid even for that 1 hour, it's unjustifiable to try to dictate behaviour of another person who you now have no contract with.
I totally agree with Chivo's decision to not announce publicly until they've told everyone in private - it's the respectful thing to do. It's the same reason news outlets don't release the names of victims until the families have been notified. That's obviously a much more extreme example, but the concept is similar. Important news should be delivered through official channels first to the parties most affected by it before it goes public.
Regarding the actual news - my sympathies for everyone involved. It sounds like Chivo was a good organization with good players and I hope everyone finds new homes in short order. Good luck!
On April 08 2020 10:12 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: I basically agree with Shuffleblade.. In an industry like esports, it's not reasonable to make a player wait a week to announce something like this while they could be looking for a new team. A day or two until every internally knows is appropriate, however, so that context really affects this.
Even if it's not reasonable or appropriate, though, Special shouldn't announce this on his own. It's a bad sign to future potential teams that this player isn't very reliable or responsible with information.
I don't think those thoughts are compatible.
There's not enough money being made in esports for a progamer to have to show employer loyalty that would be considered ridiculous in any other job (I'd argue that getting paid millions like a pro athlete doesn't require this either). The guy lost his job, and he wants a new one ASAP. There's nothing special (har har) about SC2 progaming that makes fans entitled to self-detrimental behavior from progamers to serve some romantic notion of "sports professionalism" that doesn't actually exist.
On April 07 2020 21:26 op11er wrote: CranK just said on stream that apparently Special broke the embargo about the team disbandment. From what I hear it seems like it was supposed to be tmr when it's announced but special outright just said it today. He seemed pretty pissed on stream, and it been a few months since I saw him that displeased on cam.
Why would there be an embargo on someone losing their team? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Special needs to worry about himself and get his name out there so he can find a new team.
In normal circumstances, yes. But the thing is, Chivo didn't have people who only live in Korea. The management wanted him to wait for a day until they manage the time difference. Ragnarok was allowed to show he "LEFT" the team, NOT to mention the team itself has disbanded.
He only had to wait A DAY for it. No wonder CranK would be furious. Besides the fact that his wife was the manager. She had every right to announce that, don't you think?
Maybe the things wouldn't have that bad if he just didn't mention about the disbandment.
I dont know whats more sad the discussion being about me wanting to find a new team or people failing to realise that a very important sc2 team just closed their doors.
And to people that keep saying was just a day bro not it wasnt they told me to wait a week dont wanna put the screenshot for respect to olivia so getting mad at me for not waiting a whole week without pay until i can find a new job its fucking ridiculous
"As of today, I am no longer under contract with Team Chivo - for reasons beyond my control and unrelated to my conduct, character, or game results. In the interest of discretion, I will not reveal further details until the team makes an official announcement in the upcoming week. I am currently in search of a new team or sponsorship. Please message me if you have any interest."
I think if they asked him to withhold the info for a day, two at max, I would think it wasn't professional to announce it himself. A week is a long time, especially being teamless
On April 09 2020 07:06 Russano wrote: "As of today, I am no longer under contract with Team Chivo - for reasons beyond my control and unrelated to my conduct, character, or game results. In the interest of discretion, I will not reveal further details until the team makes an official announcement in the upcoming week. I am currently in search of a new team or sponsorship. Please message me if you have any interest."
i was going to post about how sad this news was, and going to ask wasn't soo in chivo at one point but they let him go, so it was probably writing on the wall they didn't have good financials.
instead i see people getting outraged that special announced this. who cares. seriously. if your employer makes you sign an NDA you have to abide by it, but if your employer implodes then nobody cares.
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