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[Interview] Solar talks GSL, region-lock, and China's Prol…

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TL.net ESPORTS
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Last Edited: 2020-02-16 12:37:09
February 16 2020 11:19 GMT
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Triumphant Song Gaming's (Wiki)Solar brings mixed tidings from Korea in this pre-IEM Katowice 2020 interview, catching us up on what's been going on during the off-season.

Fretful fans will be glad to hear that we need not fear about the continuation of GSL Code S. What's more, the latest batch of players returning from military service could be the most competitive yet (in particular, a certain reaper-expert).

On the other hand, tightened travel regulations means Classic may not be the last Korean pro to have trouble playing in major international events. And, of course, region-lock still sucks for Korean pros who can travel.

*This interview has been edited and condensed.

Wax: What have you been up to since Super Tournament II, your last major tournament of 2019?

Solar: I haven't been up to anything special, just taking it easy. Toward the end of the year I participated in tournaments in China and Australia, winning a bunch of of them, and then took a break.

When did you start practicing in earnest again?

After the patch I started practicing properly, but I don't think I have 100% understanding of the game yet.

We have most of the info for the Circuit/foreigner side of the ESL Pro Tour, but barely anything for Korea. Are Korean players in the dark as well?

We roughly know when everything's going to happen. The Super Tournament just got officially announced, didn't it? I dunno, there's just some delays in Korea because of various issues like the corona virus.

So we'll have three Code S tournaments like last year?

Yes, I think it will be three of them. There will be some changes, but I can't talk about those yet since it's not official.

Some people in the foreign community were panicking because of the lack of information.

There's going to be Code S, but there will be changes compared to last year.

So the Korean players are satisfied with what they've been told?

Honestly it will be a bit more... I think the competition will be more fierce than last year.

But personally, what I'm unhappy with is that... Was it last year? The year before that? I wrote about [the problems with region-lock] on Twitter. When I looked at the response from the foreign community, there were a lot of opinions that [region-lock] was unfair. Even when I asked foreign pros, though they were the ones benefiting, they thought it was a bit unfair as well.

So if the players and fans all think that it's unfair, I don't know why it didn't change this year.



Well, I think we all know it's unfair—it's just a trade-off for the sake of more viewership.

Yeah, and a lot of Korean pros retired because of it.

How's the Korean scene looking? The top of the scene is still brutal, but maybe it's gotten easier to get through qualifiers?

It's easier... But with format in the upcoming season, and since I hear a lot of foreign players are coming to play in GSL Code S, I'm a bit worried.

You're playing and winning a lot of the ESL weeklies, but Korean players aren't really participating. Why is that?

Because it's just 10 points per win, I don't think the players really understand the importance of it. The top players, in particular, think they will [qualify] anyway... Also, this year the number of players that can go to the Masters Championship [*Note: equivalent to the old Global Finals] was greatly increased from eight to sixteen. So I think the players are a little overconfident. I'm trying to stack up points beforehand so I can advance directly to next year's IEM Katowice/Masters Championship without any trouble.

Also, as far as I know, there are a lot of players who won't be able to travel overseas next year. Probably more than fans expect, the top tier players will be barred from travelling. So I don't think they're worried that much about earning points this year.

I think Classic said what he learned from his travel permission issues might help other players in the future.

Regardless of that, Korea's laws changed recently. People who are 25 or older can get international travel permission six months at a time, and the longest total period you can request is two years. So actually, according to current laws, I don't think I'll be able to travel abroad when I turn 28 in Korean age.

[*Wax: I'm not familiar with these regulations, so I might not have interpreted the specific technical details correctly. Regardless, the point is that Solar fears new regulations will affect progamers above a certain age.]


Military service isn't a career death-sentence? Some of the 'returners' are showing promise.

Cure's been a hot topic in the foreign community for how good he's been during the off-season. Is he for real?

Cure was always good in practice. But the latest patch was quite good for Terran, so I think that had an effect. I think Terran players are all doing well in general, after the patch. Also, perhaps he's approaching things with a new attitude after leaving Jin Air.

Who are some players to look out for going forward?

Personally, I think you should keep an eye on players who returned from the military. There's a lot of players who finished their military service that are good, like DongRaeGu, Armani, or Dream.

Players who came back from the army haven't had much success in the past. Is that changing?

The practice is a bit... I think maybe having your military obligations out of the way helps you focus solely on practice. Compared to the past, they've really caught up a lot in terms of skill.

How are Dark, Maru, the usual top guys doing?

I think all the guys who used to be good are still good; like Maru hit 7000 MMR on the Korean server. Besides a few guys, I think all of the strong players are still in good shape.

Also, ByuN is going to return this year. ByuN is laddering on the Korean server these days, and he's around 6800~6900 MMR right now, getting in the neighborhood of 7000. He's still got it. So I think when ByuN comes back, he'll continue to do well in tournaments.

You mentioned your game knowledge isn't complete yet, but still, who do you think is going to win at IEM?

I think this time... Before, I always picked Serral to win tournaments. But this time, I think it will be tough for him, in my estimation. It's because Zerg doesn't have any big edge in terms of balance right now. In longer series, Terran and Protoss have a lot more strategies they can use. So I think it will be hard for Zerg players—I think Terran and Protoss players will do well.

Who are the top Protosses in Korea?

I think Trap and Stats are the best.


KeSPA-tier salaries in the ambitious China Team Championship.

What was it like playing in the live, China Team Championship playoffs?

It was great, there were a lot more Chinese fans than I expected. It was awesome that the Chinese fans were enjoying it so much. The recent epidemic is delaying WESG and other tournaments right now. I hope the situation gets better and we can play in Chinese tournaments again.

Did it remind you of the Proleague days?

Playing matches regularly, it definitely felt a lot like the old days. Because the Chinese teams have been signing a lot of players, I think the next season is going to be really competitive with a lot of good players.

Has the introduction of the CTC been good for Korean pros? Maybe it's not KeSPA level pay, but that kind of stability must be nice.

It IS at that level, the pay is very good. The players who really earn a lot, they make as much money as top KeSPA players used to. Having regular income, it really stabilizes your career as a player.

Are there plans for CTC to start holding even regular season games live, and for the teams to all have teamhouses in China?

From what I know, that's the ultimate goal. For everyone to have team houses in Shanghai—my team [Triumphant Song Gaming] already has a teamhouse in Shanghai. So to play and practice there, really like it's Proleague—I hear SCBoy is dreaming of something like that. That's if everything goes well and things get bigger. It's still hard to do that now, but I think it would be fun if that happened in the future.

You were excellent in a variety of competitions last year, even getting an eight-win all-kill in the CTC playoffs, but Code S didn't go that well for you. Why's that?

I don't know for sure, either. Just, I can't play that well in Code S, maybe it's the nerves. Also, the players prepare so well. I think the Code S format is disadvantageous for Zerg. The more time there is to prepare, the worse it is for Zerg, since Zerg have a limited range of strategies. So I think it's tough in tournaments where there's a lot of preparation time. Also, my style is a bit simple, so I think I get countered a lot.

Conversely, foreign Terrans say that the short-duration format of the Circuit events favor Zerg. Anyway, what are your personal expectations for IEM Katowice?

When I got through the qualifiers, I was actually pretty surprised because I didn't expect it. But somehow, all my games went well on that day, so I [earned a seed]. I don't really have huge ambitions, it would just be nice to [get to the fop four] and play in Spodek. That's my initial goal.

Any final comments or shout-outs?

I don't think I have that many fans compared to other players, but I'm thankful to everyone who's kept cheering for me, no matter how much. I'm thankful to all my foreign fans as well.

The StarCraft II scene has changed so that ESL is running things. I hope this change will make the scene more vibrant, we'll see more tournaments pop-up like in the old days, and we'll have a year where we can all be happy together.


You can follow Solar on Twitter at @TSG_Solar and catch his stream at AfreecaTV.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33343 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-16 11:26:23
February 16 2020 11:26 GMT
#2
Wow, an interview with so much juicy, relevant content that I didn't even have to use "Solar doesn't think Serral will win IEM Katowice" in the tease.
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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
February 16 2020 11:40 GMT
#3
did somebody say offline proleague in shanghai
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-16 12:01:25
February 16 2020 12:01 GMT
#4
Always Nestea Award Solar:p
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
February 16 2020 12:09 GMT
#5
Amazing!!
So many good news, Code S is happening, the Salaries are way higher than we thought before and CTC plans sound realy good. We ll see how exactly GSL will pan out, but I gues we all can be way more optimistic about Korean Scene in general now
Nice to hear that Byun is returning as well. AfaIk Koreans in the millitary aren t allowed to earn any money, but it sgreat to see, that he allready picked up practise and is allready back on pro level on ladder at least.
MaxPax
legozzzzzz
Profile Joined July 2019
1 Post
February 16 2020 12:15 GMT
#6
Also, ByuN is going to return this year. ByuN is laddering on the Korean server these days, and he's around 6800~6900 MMR right now, getting in the neighborhood of 7000. He's still got it. So I think when ByuN comes back, he'll continue to do well in tournaments


Well, that makes me hype.
Thank you for this interview!
DrunkenSCV
Profile Joined November 2016
76 Posts
February 16 2020 12:21 GMT
#7
It very cool to know that CTC makes a big positive impact on Kr scene. And the information about ByuN is almost unbelievable, wow!
Thanks for the interview, Solar is a great guy!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12790 Posts
February 16 2020 12:26 GMT
#8
I haven't finished reading, did I read reaper-expert right? Did I hear ByuN? There is gonna be some ByuN talk in this interview? Oh boy
WriterMaru
Paukum
Profile Joined August 2014
Norway60 Posts
February 16 2020 12:36 GMT
#9
Byun!
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
February 16 2020 12:41 GMT
#10
Very informative stuff, thanks for the interview!

Hopefully there won't be too many travel problems for Koreans.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 16 2020 13:11 GMT
#11
Amazing interview, Solar is always honest.
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Kanata
Profile Joined June 2019
China8 Posts
February 16 2020 13:33 GMT
#12
Nice interview.
Also very exciting about ByuN's comeback!
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-16 13:41:52
February 16 2020 13:36 GMT
#13
Very insightful stuff! Especially happy to hear about the positive impact of CTC and the plans for its future.
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Crocolisk Dundee
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
870 Posts
February 16 2020 13:57 GMT
#14
ByuN is back? Time to watch this video again:
Stopped watching ESL content in 2022 when the company was acquired by Savvy Gaming Group. Also object to sponsorships by the U.S. Air Force. Thanks for the lively discussions about sportswashing. StarCraft II is not for me anymore.
stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2749 Posts
February 16 2020 13:58 GMT
#15
On February 16 2020 20:26 Waxangel wrote:
Wow, an interview with so much juicy, relevant content that I didn't even have to use "Solar doesn't think Serral will win IEM Katowice" in the tease.


Big thank you for it, it could have polluated the thread.
Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
February 16 2020 14:50 GMT
#16
I thought CTC's high salary is a well known thing, or is it just Chinese community?
"You don't need a gsl champion, you don't need a esl champion. I feel like I'm just a normal man. I just practice very hard this time, like 15hrs everyday" Oliveira 2023
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-16 15:03:12
February 16 2020 14:57 GMT
#17
On February 16 2020 23:50 Howard_Kao wrote:
I thought CTC's high salary is a well known thing, or is it just Chinese community?

People knew Inno for example was earning a lot, but we didn't really have info on the full extent.

Regarding ByuN, he joined the military in January last year so he's still months away from a comeback in the competitive scene.

Also since Solar is already making excuses for why Zerg isn't winning IEM Katowice in a few weeks, I look forward to finding out which Zerg player is going to lift the trophy this year.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 16 2020 15:24 GMT
#18
Great interview. Really nice to get some info from Korea.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10055 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-16 15:36:04
February 16 2020 15:35 GMT
#19
somewhere in Seoul, Dark wakes up with a cold sweat LUL.

GSL with a deiferent format, cant wait for the details
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
ZertoN
Profile Joined February 2014
Germany214 Posts
February 16 2020 15:46 GMT
#20
fantastic interview. the difference between this in comparison to some interviews from foreign pros is stunning. nice to hear some insight into the elusive korean scene during GSL off season as well and looking forward to ByuN's return !
"I don't like games that i need to think a lot, i am not interested in those games." - TaeJa, 2016
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
February 16 2020 16:26 GMT
#21
Pretty substantial interview. There's interesting stuff said about a wide range of topics. Solar teasing these changes to Code S is sure to make more people nervous.
MajiN1
Profile Joined July 2017
113 Posts
February 16 2020 17:17 GMT
#22
They bringing back Code A with hundreds of players !! Just dreaming...
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
February 16 2020 17:25 GMT
#23
On February 17 2020 02:17 MajiN1 wrote:
They bringing back Code A with hundreds of players !! Just dreaming...

Yeah exactly, where do you think should these hundreds of players come from?
MaxPax
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-16 17:56:01
February 16 2020 17:52 GMT
#24
On February 17 2020 02:25 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2020 02:17 MajiN1 wrote:
They bringing back Code A with hundreds of players !! Just dreaming...

Yeah exactly, where do you think should these hundreds of players come from?


From today's ESL Open Cup KR most likely.

EDIT: Actually, why not round them up from all ESL Open Cups so far. Might get like 20 players all in all that bothered to play a game?
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
seanranklin
Profile Joined February 2020
9 Posts
February 16 2020 18:09 GMT
#25
Byun is indeed back (at least on the korean ladder)
PartinG was playing against Byun on stream 1-2 weeks ago and told his stream it was Byun. He was explaining when you near the end of your Military Service in Korea they allow you to have more PC time.

I think they played about 6 games. PartinG winning 4 and Byun winning 2. PartinG said Byun is nearly as good as top Terrans already and he shouldnt have any trouble competing when he is released from the military.

byung0d
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 16 2020 18:27 GMT
#26
On February 17 2020 03:09 seanranklin wrote:PartinG said Byun is nearly as good as top Terrans already and he shouldnt have any trouble competing when he is released from the military.

Until he starts playing full time again and his wrists give out
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Astronest
Profile Joined January 2020
34 Posts
February 16 2020 18:31 GMT
#27
Good interview.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
February 16 2020 18:33 GMT
#28
On February 17 2020 03:27 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2020 03:09 seanranklin wrote:PartinG said Byun is nearly as good as top Terrans already and he shouldnt have any trouble competing when he is released from the military.

Until he starts playing full time again and his wrists give out


We should organize a competition between Maru, ByuN and Mvp where all they do is play back to back game versus the IA, the last one able to move his mouse wins.
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3364 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-16 18:43:39
February 16 2020 18:34 GMT
#29
I'm forever grateful for a true veteran like Solar acting as a kind of voice for the Korean situation. Also, Solar you have fans!

With pro's it's always glass half full. My race is disadvantaged in my format, rather than, in that other format my race would be advantaged.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-16 18:57:06
February 16 2020 18:54 GMT
#30
On February 17 2020 03:34 ejozl wrote:
I'm forever grateful for a true veteran like Solar acting as a kind of voice for the Korean situation. Also, Solar you have fans!

With pro's it's always glass half full. My race is disadvantaged in my format, rather than, in that other format my race would be advantaged.


It's funny cause Solar is like the third youngest Korean around.
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Gina
Profile Joined July 2019
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-16 19:03:54
February 16 2020 19:03 GMT
#31
Part of his point is that he cannot go and play in that other format though? I didn't think he was complaining about balance.

Thanks for the interview, sweet, Solar also comes across as honest & straightforward. Always found him rather likeable.
Omit needles swords.
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
February 16 2020 19:54 GMT
#32
Great news about ByuN!

If Solar is right, then ByuN must either be:

http://kr.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/6869409/1/llllllllllll/ or
http://kr.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/7030700/1/llllllllllll/

or he's withdrawn from the league
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 16 2020 20:50 GMT
#33
On February 17 2020 03:34 ejozl wrote:
I'm forever grateful for a true veteran like Solar acting as a kind of voice for the Korean situation. Also, Solar you have fans!


+1
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
February 16 2020 22:01 GMT
#34
I don't watch and follow SC2 anymore but ByuN with One Man Army style winning skyrocketed my hype, still remember that GSL finals and Blizzcon. If that crazy micro monster comes back and starts winning things I will watch it 100%.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17671 Posts
February 17 2020 03:47 GMT
#35
jesus there's so much info in this lol
"Expert" mods4ever.com
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
February 17 2020 04:01 GMT
#36
I love Byun, Hope he made good rivalry with Serral, Rogue, Maru, Innovation and the rest.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
February 17 2020 05:17 GMT
#37
I think the biggest thing in this interview is Solar confirming 3 Code S tournaments. Tasteless sort of gave it away in his most recent podcast but that's huge and I love it!
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-17 06:15:32
February 17 2020 06:15 GMT
#38
Nice interview. I can't wait for IEM Katowice. I have seen very few new Starcraft 2 games for months.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6899 Posts
February 17 2020 06:29 GMT
#39
On February 16 2020 20:19 TL.net ESPORTS wrote:


I don't think I have that many fans compared to other players, but I'm thankful to everyone who's kept cheering for me, no matter how much. I'm thankful to all my foreign fans as well.



Dafuq is he talking about? I LOVE Solar! Everyone loves Solar!
Everyone who doesn't love Solar should watch some HSC vods


Great interview Wax! Keep em coming!
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 17 2020 07:56 GMT
#40
On February 17 2020 12:47 Die4Ever wrote:
jesus there's so much info in this lol


Yeah, it really underlines how little interaction there are between the Korean and English speaking communities. Would be great if we got more regular info out of there. Like, it's great that there are a number of Chinese posters keeping us informed here.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-17 11:09:25
February 17 2020 08:47 GMT
#41
On February 17 2020 16:56 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2020 12:47 Die4Ever wrote:
jesus there's so much info in this lol


Yeah, it really underlines how little interaction there are between the Korean and English speaking communities. Would be great if we got more regular info out of there. Like, it's great that there are a number of Chinese posters keeping us informed here.

A Solar- weekly- newsflash would be cool. I mean he has by far the best english from all kr Pro Players around. He could keep all of us up to date :D
Can t Artosis just invite him to the Pylonshow someday?
MaxPax
SamirDuran
Profile Joined May 2012
Philippines894 Posts
February 17 2020 10:57 GMT
#42
On February 17 2020 17:47 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2020 16:56 sneakyfox wrote:
On February 17 2020 12:47 Die4Ever wrote:
jesus there's so much info in this lol


Yeah, it really underlines how little interaction there are between the Korean and English speaking communities. Would be great if we got more regular info out of there. Like, it's great that there are a number of Chinese posters keeping us informed here.

A Solar- weekly- newsflash would be cool. I mean he has by far the best english from all kr Players around. He could keep all of us up to date :D


Golden and polt says hi.
Don't practice until you can get it right, practice until you can't get it wrong.
dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
February 17 2020 11:09 GMT
#43
On February 17 2020 19:57 SamirDuran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2020 17:47 dbRic1203 wrote:
On February 17 2020 16:56 sneakyfox wrote:
On February 17 2020 12:47 Die4Ever wrote:
jesus there's so much info in this lol


Yeah, it really underlines how little interaction there are between the Korean and English speaking communities. Would be great if we got more regular info out of there. Like, it's great that there are a number of Chinese posters keeping us informed here.

A Solar- weekly- newsflash would be cool. I mean he has by far the best english from all kr Players around. He could keep all of us up to date :D


Golden and polt says hi.

I meant Pro players and wouldn t consider them as Pro players. Sorry, edited that
MaxPax
sylow
Profile Joined July 2019
13 Posts
February 17 2020 11:17 GMT
#44
In fact, ScBoy is looking for the probability of inviting Byun to play a showmatch online these days
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
February 17 2020 11:36 GMT
#45
Well, I think we all know it's unfair—it's just a trade-off for the sake of more viewership.

Yeah, and a lot of Korean pros retired because of it.


Viewership today, lack of pros tomorrow
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
February 17 2020 15:49 GMT
#46
On February 17 2020 20:09 dbRic1203 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2020 19:57 SamirDuran wrote:
On February 17 2020 17:47 dbRic1203 wrote:
On February 17 2020 16:56 sneakyfox wrote:
On February 17 2020 12:47 Die4Ever wrote:
jesus there's so much info in this lol


Yeah, it really underlines how little interaction there are between the Korean and English speaking communities. Would be great if we got more regular info out of there. Like, it's great that there are a number of Chinese posters keeping us informed here.

A Solar- weekly- newsflash would be cool. I mean he has by far the best english from all kr Players around. He could keep all of us up to date :D


Golden and polt says hi.

I meant Pro players and wouldn t consider them as Pro players. Sorry, edited that

Also neither are as involved with the Korean scene since Polt is in the US and Golden is moving to Canada. They're probably not as up to date as Solar.
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
February 17 2020 20:43 GMT
#47
This is all really excellent news; the Chinese scene popping up to save Korea is a great deus ex machina.

Also, for the record, I've been a fan of Solar since the oooooooooolllld days when he was on Samsung KHAN. My team loyalty remains strong as ever.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15919 Posts
February 17 2020 21:16 GMT
#48
On February 17 2020 00:35 Topin wrote:
somewhere in Seoul, Dark wakes up with a cold sweat LUL.

GSL with a deiferent format, cant wait for the details

BO1 single elimination
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Howard_Kao
Profile Joined September 2018
China261 Posts
February 18 2020 01:38 GMT
#49
On February 18 2020 06:16 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2020 00:35 Topin wrote:
somewhere in Seoul, Dark wakes up with a cold sweat LUL.

GSL with a deiferent format, cant wait for the details

BO1 single elimination

That will probably be the worst idea ever, or the best if you really love all-ins and 40minute late games
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ZerglingSoup
Profile Joined June 2009
United States346 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-18 16:52:30
February 18 2020 16:52 GMT
#50
On February 18 2020 06:16 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2020 00:35 Topin wrote:
somewhere in Seoul, Dark wakes up with a cold sweat LUL.

GSL with a deiferent format, cant wait for the details

BO1 single elimination


Seriously, Code S already features a very brutal format- I shudder to think of what changes could be in store to make it even more intense.

My guess is that they are dropping the group stage format in favor of a normal elimination bracket, but we'll see.

Edit: Excellent interview waxangel, Thank you for doing this.
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ZugzwangSC
Profile Joined October 2019
87 Posts
February 18 2020 17:41 GMT
#51
Great interview Wax! Thanks for posting it!
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15919 Posts
February 18 2020 17:55 GMT
#52
On February 18 2020 10:38 Howard_Kao wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2020 06:16 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 17 2020 00:35 Topin wrote:
somewhere in Seoul, Dark wakes up with a cold sweat LUL.

GSL with a deiferent format, cant wait for the details

BO1 single elimination

That will probably be the worst idea ever, or the best if you really love all-ins and 40minute late games

If I remember right SSL 2016 was originally planned to be BO1 single elimination but they changed it.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-18 22:51:27
February 18 2020 22:48 GMT
#53
On February 19 2020 02:55 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2020 10:38 Howard_Kao wrote:
On February 18 2020 06:16 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 17 2020 00:35 Topin wrote:
somewhere in Seoul, Dark wakes up with a cold sweat LUL.

GSL with a deiferent format, cant wait for the details

BO1 single elimination

That will probably be the worst idea ever, or the best if you really love all-ins and 40minute late games

If I remember right SSL 2016 was originally planned to be BO1 single elimination but they changed it.


GSL had bo1 group stages way back at the start of code S, it was round robin tho.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19230 Posts
February 19 2020 00:09 GMT
#54
Can't wait to see Solar in the "fop" four!
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 19 2020 03:24 GMT
#55
On February 19 2020 07:48 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2020 02:55 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 18 2020 10:38 Howard_Kao wrote:
On February 18 2020 06:16 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 17 2020 00:35 Topin wrote:
somewhere in Seoul, Dark wakes up with a cold sweat LUL.

GSL with a deiferent format, cant wait for the details

BO1 single elimination

That will probably be the worst idea ever, or the best if you really love all-ins and 40minute late games

If I remember right SSL 2016 was originally planned to be BO1 single elimination but they changed it.


GSL had bo1 group stages way back at the start of code S, it was round robin tho.

2013 season 2 (the OSL one) also did for some reason
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Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
February 19 2020 04:54 GMT
#56
On February 19 2020 12:24 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2020 07:48 Nakajin wrote:
On February 19 2020 02:55 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 18 2020 10:38 Howard_Kao wrote:
On February 18 2020 06:16 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 17 2020 00:35 Topin wrote:
somewhere in Seoul, Dark wakes up with a cold sweat LUL.

GSL with a deiferent format, cant wait for the details

BO1 single elimination

That will probably be the worst idea ever, or the best if you really love all-ins and 40minute late games

If I remember right SSL 2016 was originally planned to be BO1 single elimination but they changed it.


GSL had bo1 group stages way back at the start of code S, it was round robin tho.

2013 season 2 (the OSL one) also did for some reason

Probably something OGN carried over from Brood War. The standalone OSL they did the year before also had Bo1 group stages, as did all the OSL's in Brood War. Also the 2011 GSL's probably had Bo1 groups because they had one every month and had to get through them fast.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33343 Posts
February 19 2020 05:23 GMT
#57
On February 19 2020 12:24 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2020 07:48 Nakajin wrote:
On February 19 2020 02:55 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 18 2020 10:38 Howard_Kao wrote:
On February 18 2020 06:16 Charoisaur wrote:
On February 17 2020 00:35 Topin wrote:
somewhere in Seoul, Dark wakes up with a cold sweat LUL.

GSL with a deiferent format, cant wait for the details

BO1 single elimination

That will probably be the worst idea ever, or the best if you really love all-ins and 40minute late games

If I remember right SSL 2016 was originally planned to be BO1 single elimination but they changed it.


GSL had bo1 group stages way back at the start of code S, it was round robin tho.

2013 season 2 (the OSL one) also did for some reason


I imagine a lot of it has to do with OSL in 2013 still being primarily a for-TV product, and they probably needed to fit certain time restraints.
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paddyz
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland628 Posts
February 19 2020 18:25 GMT
#58
Thanks Solar for the information. Great player, great mindset, great practice/work ethic, deserves more fans.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2573 Posts
February 19 2020 23:58 GMT
#59
Thanks for the interview!
NaRae
Profile Joined January 2017
Korea (South)48 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-20 03:51:05
February 20 2020 03:46 GMT
#60
Some changes for GSL form has revealed through EPT offical rule book. GSL EPT points will be distributed to 52 players. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/f6hcv6/official_rule_book_for_ept_is_out/
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33343 Posts
February 20 2020 05:50 GMT
#61
On February 20 2020 12:46 NaRae wrote:
Some changes for GSL form has revealed through EPT offical rule book. GSL EPT points will be distributed to 52 players. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/f6hcv6/official_rule_book_for_ept_is_out/


very interesting!

seems to suggest a Code A comes back, while Code S changes to 16 players

would corroborate what Solar said, hinting at it being more competitive
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dbRic1203
Profile Joined July 2019
Germany2655 Posts
February 20 2020 07:13 GMT
#62
On February 20 2020 12:46 NaRae wrote:
Some changes for GSL form has revealed through EPT offical rule book. GSL EPT points will be distributed to 52 players. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/f6hcv6/official_rule_book_for_ept_is_out/

This looks realy realy promissing
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
February 20 2020 07:25 GMT
#63
Always beem fond of you, Solar!. Great news about GSL and returning players. Also ghost king baybeee!.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
February 20 2020 08:31 GMT
#64
On February 20 2020 14:50 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2020 12:46 NaRae wrote:
Some changes for GSL form has revealed through EPT offical rule book. GSL EPT points will be distributed to 52 players. https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/f6hcv6/official_rule_book_for_ept_is_out/


very interesting!

seems to suggest a Code A comes back, while Code S changes to 16 players

would corroborate what Solar said, hinting at it being more competitive


There is actually so much info in that ruleset that it warrants it's own thread. But on top of the code s changes in also confirms that there will be both code s and super tournament; that super tournament top 4 qualifies for main GSL season; that there will indeed be an IEM China this year (with only 16 players), which is fantastic news.
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