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On November 20 2019 09:36 yoshi245 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2019 04:13 Boggyb wrote:On November 18 2019 00:51 MrShankly wrote:
Seems so strange to me, he was starting to do pretty well xD.
Shame!
Wish all the best for him. The long term future of SC2 is very much unknown, so anyone who isn't a premier tournament winning player moving on is not too surprising. Sad truth to the matter. Unless you're the very best and capable of winning an event or placing Top 4 a majority of the time. It's not worth it, even the likes of Classic who's probably Top 2 Protoss this year is already gone. More job secuity being a LoL coach, and I wish the best for Fantasy in his endeavors. Though it'd be better if he went to BW at least for the entertainment factor and those who loved his career/run back in the day. He's shown he can even topple Flash in a TvT.
Classic certainly didn't retire because he wanted more money, he had to go to the army.
And if Fantasy wanted to be covered in money he would have gone back to Brood War last year or right after retiring from Sc2, as someone already pointed out.
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On November 20 2019 03:39 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 02:11 SiegfriedSC wrote:
I see a lot of comments about his potential move to a coaching role in League as "easy money". I really feel like that denigrates fantasy's decision to pursue other opportunities, coaching might be a much more fulfilling job for Fantasy at this stage in his life. People's choices aren't all about money, or else Fantasy would have never came back to sc2 in the first place.
Anyways, I wish Fantasy luck in the future, thanks for all the awesome games! Fantasy to me seems to continually favour new challenges over easy money and I see this as another example of that. Being real the easy money for him is just streaming BW and he continually does other stuff so it’s grossly unfair for anyone to level that at him.
Quite so!
He could have streamed BW after returning from military service, but he explicitly chose to play SC2 because he wanted to be an active competitor. Being in LCK/LoL lets him continue that.
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FanTaSy joins SANDBOX Gaming as LoL coach.
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I guess I am just too dumb to comprehend how a RTS progamer could be a coach for a game that is entirely different from his experience. Even SC1 and SC2 required completely different understanding of mechanics and mindset. I do not assume that Fantasy doesnt know the LoL itself, I wouldn't be, however, surprised that players he is supposed to "train" would know the game infinitely better than him. Unless the "coach" isn't just a jargon for "menager" here.
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On November 20 2019 16:34 hitthat wrote:
I guess I am just too dumb to comprehend how a RTS progamer could be a coach for a game that is entirely different from his experience. Even SC1 and SC2 required completely different understanding of mechanics and mindset. I do not assume that Fantasy doesnt know the LoL itself, I wouldn't be, however, surprised that players he is supposed to "train" would know the game infinitely better than him. Unless the "coach" isn't just a jargon for "menager" here.
I assume he played LoL for years already, so guess he has acquired quite some game knowledge. Also he can coach the winner's mentality and do some work / life balance coaching or sth along those lines
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Fantasy isnt the first to switch from StarCraft player to LoL coaching. Several others have done it previously such as FruitDealer, StarDust, Violet & iloveoov just to name a few.
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On November 20 2019 17:54 Chris_Havoc wrote:
Fantasy isnt the first to switch from StarCraft player to LoL coaching. Several others have done it previously such as FruitDealer, StarDust, Violet & iloveoov just to name a few.
And yet, after all this years of oov "transformation", I still cannot understand this. I tried to rationalized that as a form of a retirement for accomplished players that e-sport industry encourage for preventing a stereotype that "professional e-sport will ruin your later life", but even that had so much logic holes that doesn't fit as an explanation.
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korizon.net
Says here he joined as a sort of wellbeing and psychological coach:
"Sandbox explained that Fantasy will be “strengthening and taking care of players’ mentalities”."
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towards the end of his career, he was one of those players who was always in the top 15-20 players in the world (it felt; be free to correct me). and pretty much has nothing to show for it. sad that he never had that breakthrough moment. gl
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On November 20 2019 19:37 Alejandrisha wrote:
towards the end of his career, he was one of those players who was always in the top 15-20 players in the world (it felt; be free to correct me). and pretty much has nothing to show for it. sad that he never had that breakthrough moment. gl
He finished BW in the Number 1 ELO spot
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On November 20 2019 19:38 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 19:37 Alejandrisha wrote:
towards the end of his career, he was one of those players who was always in the top 15-20 players in the world (it felt; be free to correct me). and pretty much has nothing to show for it. sad that he never had that breakthrough moment. gl He finished BW in the Number 1 ELO spot
i'm not talking about his bw career!! nooo. im talking recent fantasy not fantasy prime.
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Where the money goes I guess
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Russian Federation195 Posts
A perfect game choice for FanTaSy: they never surrender if the nexus is still standing
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On November 20 2019 19:29 raptor11234 wrote:korizon.netSays here he joined as a sort of wellbeing and psychological coach: "Sandbox explained that Fantasy will be “strengthening and taking care of players’ mentalities”."
Yeah that makes a lot more sense. More of a mentor/management role for guys like Fantasy makes a lot more sense than recruiting SC players to strategise.
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On November 20 2019 19:37 Alejandrisha wrote:
towards the end of his career, he was one of those players who was always in the top 15-20 players in the world (it felt; be free to correct me). and pretty much has nothing to show for it. sad that he never had that breakthrough moment. gl
It’s a shame, I felt he was consistently getting better and would have had some deep runs this year. Was excited both to see a legend conquer another game plus stylistically I enjoyed his approach to the game.
Oh well, with Fantasy and Gumigod gone we need a resurgent Taeja or Dream to hopefully bring the pain this year.
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On November 20 2019 18:56 hitthat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2019 17:54 Chris_Havoc wrote:
Fantasy isnt the first to switch from StarCraft player to LoL coaching. Several others have done it previously such as FruitDealer, StarDust, Violet & iloveoov just to name a few. And yet, after all this years of oov "transformation", I still cannot understand this. I tried to rationalized that as a form of a retirement for accomplished players that e-sport industry encourage for preventing a stereotype that "professional e-sport will ruin your later life", but even that had so much logic holes that doesn't fit as an explanation.
theres more to coaching than just gameplay strategy. i highly doubt fantasy would be involved in much in-game related things like analysis, feedback, drafting etc.
there are a lot of things players need outside of the game which fantasy would have much experience and knowledge with, not as a coach but as a player himself. coming from skt would be especially valuable i assume, given the teams' success in not just lol but starcraft as well
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Such a shame, one of my favourite players. He was looking pretty good lately too, and with all the other retirements I thought he'd do well in 2020. Unless he knows something we don't about GSL.
His decision to return to SC2 after the military was actually a bit surprising in terms of his own personal prospects (given his bigger fanbase in BW - or he could have left esports altogether). However, the decision to leave SC2 now to coach a totally different game, when several of his competitors in Korea are leaving for military service, his form is good and his race will hopefully have better prospects in 2020, also seems a strange one to me.
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so he'll gg out of SC2 in 3 years?
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