The Protossing of GSL Code S was stalled in the final group of the RO16 as Dark and INnoVation bested Stats and Patience to secure the final two spots in the playoff bracket. Dark lived up to his reputation of perennial title contender, making short work for Patience with Nydus tactics in his initial series before out-macroing the macro-machine INnoVation to advance from the group in first place. While INnoVation was thwarted by Dark, he pulled off the impressive feat of defeating Protoss bulwark Stats twice on the night to advance in second place.
Dark is virtually guaranteed a finals spot, but every single player from the top bracket could beat him once he gets there.
Not that he's weak by any means, or lacks the skill, but Classic defeated him in last season's semifinals, soO also defeated him on many a time (including the Kespa Cup finals), Inno is a pretty safe bet once he gets to the finals, and Trap has a great record against him. Add in Dark's not-quite-soO levels of Kong, and I have a hard time seeing him lift the GSL trophy.
I really hope a Protoss will win this time, the last time a Protoss won one of the big tournaments was Stats early 2017 GSL, and sOs all the way back in 2016 World finals.
On June 02 2019 09:38 Dedraterllaerau wrote: I really hope a Protoss will win this time, the last time a Protoss won one of the big tournaments was Stats early 2017 GSL, and sOs all the way back in 2016 World finals.
I really hope Zerg wins this time. The last time a Zerg won a GSL was literally last expansion
It seems like Classic - Dark final (A dream final). But will see. Even as a Dark fan, I can't deny that soO is better in preparations and he knows how to jump to higher level when he smells that final Code S match is near. Dark is exactly the opposite and bares his ultimate curse by losing matches before final. Ro8 will be interesting for sure. To be honest, Inno doesn't have many chances which is insane even to believe it, but Trap and all his team will prepare him seriously. I'm still mad the way Trap beat TY in last season. Parting definitely has more variety in his strats rather than Hurricane, even that I'm very inspired by Hurricane. I will be glad if anyone of them continue forward. herO is a great gentleman but the reality is cruel - definitely an underdog against Dark. Will see how Ragnarok will prepare herO for the match but ZvP is still the highest level of Dark. And he has the chance to face only tosses to the end which will give him big lead. GL to all.
On June 02 2019 10:52 Anc13nt wrote: I think Dark will win this GSL. I think Inno will probably make finals but will lose to Dark. He hasn't beaten Dark in a series for a very long time.
If the finals does end up being Inno vs Dark, I would 100% bet on Inno. He's won 9 of 11 big tournament finals that he made it to, or 9 of 12 if you want to count HSC. He's tied with Mvp for the record of closing it out, surpassing Maru and Serral and Life. Dark on the other hand has won 2 of 10 finals that he made it to, and one of those was the Cross Finals that only had 4 players attending. Dark isn't quite as bad as soO, but he's not far off either.
Inno and Dark are polar opposites when it comes to clutch factor, which is why only one of them is on the GOAT shortlist.
Kinda disappointed that INnoVation and Classic are on the same side of the bracket, I view them as the top two participants still alive this season. Stupid 12 Pool ruined it for everyone but Dark.
On June 02 2019 10:52 Anc13nt wrote: I think Dark will win this GSL. I think Inno will probably make finals but will lose to Dark. He hasn't beaten Dark in a series for a very long time.
If the finals does end up being Inno vs Dark, I would 100% bet on Inno. He's won 9 of 11 big tournament finals that he made it to, or 9 of 12 if you want to count HSC. He's tied with Mvp for the record of closing it out, surpassing Maru and Serral and Life. Dark on the other hand has won 2 of 10 finals that he made it to, and one of those was the Cross Finals that only had 4 players attending. Dark isn't quite as bad as soO, but he's not far off either.
Inno and Dark are polar opposites when it comes to clutch factor, which is why only one of them is on the GOAT shortlist.
I agree despite being reverse-sweeped by Soulkey, he is really clutch in finals but I feel like it is not enough to have history on his side. soO in GSL 2018 Season 1 and sOs in 2018 Blizzcon both had history on their side but Stats still beat them.
On June 02 2019 17:40 Charoisaur wrote: Surprised people are favoring Dark over herO. herO is his biggest nemesis and the current PvZ meta fits him ideally.
Dark with the never ending groups of death after this round deserves the easier bracket. And i hope he will win it all. He really deserves it being constantly in top 4 every tournament.
On June 02 2019 23:33 Akio wrote: Will Dark finally have the season where he gets to the finals?
If he beats herO and then doesn't get to the finals I don't even know what he's doing with himself.
Also fun fact, the last Zerg who won Code S went through INnoVation, herO and PartinG in the playoffs. Maybe Dark can go through herO, PartinG and INnoVation.
i dont understand why people are saying dark is basically guaranteed a finals spot
hero and parting both excel in the current pvz meta which focuses on timings, and both have the potential to display the pinnacle of unit control which goes hand in hand with the timings. they are both extremely dangerous opponents for dark imo, as is hurricane, who has recently been making his GSL runs on the back of his PvZ against guys like Rogue and Solar
On June 03 2019 01:43 BerserkSword wrote: i dont understand why people are saying dark is basically guaranteed a finals spot
hero and parting both excel in the current pvz meta which focuses on timings, and both have the potential to display the pinnacle of unit control which goes hand in hand with the timings. they are both extremely dangerous opponents for dark imo, as is hurricane, who has recently been making his GSL runs on the back of his PvZ against guys like Rogue and Solar
It's pretty simple, herO and PartinG have not been on the level of Dark for years. We're not talking about 2017 herO or 2015 PartinG. There's a limit to how far a favourable meta alone can take someone.
That being said I can see Dark losing to herO. PartinG wouldn't beat either of them.
This is the part where protoss players come and say ''Only 5/8! Its just 2 more than the other 2 races combined! You whiners were stupid and wrong to think it would be another 7/8!''
I want Classic to win due to him having military service due, that aside there’s lots of stories and whatnot that I’d be happy with, Dark or soO getting their hands on a GSL (or indeed a Zerg getting one), Inno getting more fodder for consideration as a potential GOAT years down the line when we can properly look back and consider etc.
Trap I’m rooting hardcore for as he was my tip, and I enjoy being right on the odd occasion I am
I like the way Hurricane carries himself, seems a pretty chill guy and it would rile up the more annoying balance whiners more than any other player winning probably, which I’d also enjoy.
It’s a pretty nice feeling really, nobody I’d actively root against, nobody I’m super invested in so can just chill and sit back and enjoy good games (they better bloody be good games)
I am disappointed for Classic. He has the #1 seed and a weaker Ro8 field missing so many of his strongest opponents. + Show Spoiler +
Maru, TY, Solar, sOs, GuMiho, Stats, Zest, and Dear or Cure could be a plausible Ro8 in an alternate timeline, and PartinG, Hurricane, and herO are all worst by far at PvP thus perfect opponents for Classic in his current form
He somehow gets stuck on the side with soO, Trap, and INnoVation, and Dark gets the three weakest opponents on his side of the bracket. Just looking at Ali-Predict, even though Classic is favored against every player in the bracket (median outcome) and has a ~2/3 chance of winning the Final should he reach it, his chances of reaching the final are just so much lower than Dark that the smug Zerg is narrowly favored to win it all over Classic 25% > 22%. + Show Spoiler +
Win Top 2 Top 4 Top 8 -------------------------------------------------------- Dark 25.42% 20.72% 13.81% 40.05% Classic 22.03% 11.74% 21.10% 45.12% INnoVation 13.83% 13.38% 23.40% 49.40% soO 12.41% 8.99% 23.73% 54.88% herO 11.20% 17.16% 11.70% 59.95% Trap 8.80% 8.82% 31.77% 50.60% Hurricane 4.66% 12.45% 38.99% 43.90% PartinG 1.65% 6.74% 35.50% 56.10%
I'd love to see soO or INno with an easier path, but Trap likely has to beat the best Terran (Inno), Protoss (Classic), and Zerg (Dark) left in the tourney. Time for a new JAGW legend to be born.
Even with 8/Ro16 and 5/Ro8, the bracket has broken down so unfavorably for Protoss that the odds for a T+Z win are greater than Protoss, 52/48%.
On June 03 2019 06:47 Wombat_NI wrote: I want Classic to win due to him having military service due, that aside there’s lots of stories and whatnot that I’d be happy with, Dark or soO getting their hands on a GSL (or indeed a Zerg getting one), Inno getting more fodder for consideration as a potential GOAT years down the line when we can properly look back and consider etc.
Trap I’m rooting hardcore for as he was my tip, and I enjoy being right on the odd occasion I am
I like the way Hurricane carries himself, seems a pretty chill guy and it would rile up the more annoying balance whiners more than any other player winning probably, which I’d also enjoy.
It’s a pretty nice feeling really, nobody I’d actively root against, nobody I’m super invested in so can just chill and sit back and enjoy good games (they better bloody be good games)
It's the last year for soO and probably herO as well!
On June 03 2019 06:47 Wombat_NI wrote: I want Classic to win due to him having military service due, that aside there’s lots of stories and whatnot that I’d be happy with, Dark or soO getting their hands on a GSL (or indeed a Zerg getting one), Inno getting more fodder for consideration as a potential GOAT years down the line when we can properly look back and consider etc.
Trap I’m rooting hardcore for as he was my tip, and I enjoy being right on the odd occasion I am
I like the way Hurricane carries himself, seems a pretty chill guy and it would rile up the more annoying balance whiners more than any other player winning probably, which I’d also enjoy.
It’s a pretty nice feeling really, nobody I’d actively root against, nobody I’m super invested in so can just chill and sit back and enjoy good games (they better bloody be good games)
It's the last year for soO and probably herO as well!
On June 03 2019 06:47 Wombat_NI wrote: I want Classic to win due to him having military service due, that aside there’s lots of stories and whatnot that I’d be happy with, Dark or soO getting their hands on a GSL (or indeed a Zerg getting one), Inno getting more fodder for consideration as a potential GOAT years down the line when we can properly look back and consider etc.
Trap I’m rooting hardcore for as he was my tip, and I enjoy being right on the odd occasion I am
I like the way Hurricane carries himself, seems a pretty chill guy and it would rile up the more annoying balance whiners more than any other player winning probably, which I’d also enjoy.
It’s a pretty nice feeling really, nobody I’d actively root against, nobody I’m super invested in so can just chill and sit back and enjoy good games (they better bloody be good games)
It's the last year for soO and probably herO as well!
That can't be right, both of them are younger than Classic. Unless they're retiring voluntarily?
On June 03 2019 06:47 Wombat_NI wrote: I want Classic to win due to him having military service due, that aside there’s lots of stories and whatnot that I’d be happy with, Dark or soO getting their hands on a GSL (or indeed a Zerg getting one), Inno getting more fodder for consideration as a potential GOAT years down the line when we can properly look back and consider etc.
Trap I’m rooting hardcore for as he was my tip, and I enjoy being right on the odd occasion I am
I like the way Hurricane carries himself, seems a pretty chill guy and it would rile up the more annoying balance whiners more than any other player winning probably, which I’d also enjoy.
It’s a pretty nice feeling really, nobody I’d actively root against, nobody I’m super invested in so can just chill and sit back and enjoy good games (they better bloody be good games)
It's the last year for soO and probably herO as well!
That can't be right, both of them are younger than Classic. Unless they're retiring voluntarily?
I am quite sure soO said multiple times during his interviews that 2019 was his last year and iirc he mentioned that as additional source of motivation.
As for herO, it was written he was considering retirement last year but then decided to play for one more year.
I'd be happy to be wrong or they might decide otherwise after all; however, Classic is one year older than both and he is struggling to postpone enlistment, his BlizzCon participation is not confirmed yet and he was denied the possibility of going to Katowice. For the korean progamers born in 1992 this year is most likely the last "safe" one.
On June 03 2019 06:47 Wombat_NI wrote: I want Classic to win due to him having military service due, that aside there’s lots of stories and whatnot that I’d be happy with, Dark or soO getting their hands on a GSL (or indeed a Zerg getting one), Inno getting more fodder for consideration as a potential GOAT years down the line when we can properly look back and consider etc.
Trap I’m rooting hardcore for as he was my tip, and I enjoy being right on the odd occasion I am
I like the way Hurricane carries himself, seems a pretty chill guy and it would rile up the more annoying balance whiners more than any other player winning probably, which I’d also enjoy.
It’s a pretty nice feeling really, nobody I’d actively root against, nobody I’m super invested in so can just chill and sit back and enjoy good games (they better bloody be good games)
It's the last year for soO and probably herO as well!
That can't be right, both of them are younger than Classic. Unless they're retiring voluntarily?
I am quite sure soO said multiple times during his interviews that 2019 was his last year and iirc he mentioned that as additional source of motivation.
As for herO, it was written he was considering retirement last year but then decided to play for one more year.
I'd be happy to be wrong or they might decide otherwise after all; however, Classic is one year older than both and he is struggling to postpone enlistment, his BlizzCon participation is not confirmed yet and he was denied the possibility of going to Katowice. For the korean progamers born in 1992 this year is most likely the last "safe" one.
On June 03 2019 06:47 Wombat_NI wrote: I want Classic to win due to him having military service due, that aside there’s lots of stories and whatnot that I’d be happy with, Dark or soO getting their hands on a GSL (or indeed a Zerg getting one), Inno getting more fodder for consideration as a potential GOAT years down the line when we can properly look back and consider etc.
Trap I’m rooting hardcore for as he was my tip, and I enjoy being right on the odd occasion I am
I like the way Hurricane carries himself, seems a pretty chill guy and it would rile up the more annoying balance whiners more than any other player winning probably, which I’d also enjoy.
It’s a pretty nice feeling really, nobody I’d actively root against, nobody I’m super invested in so can just chill and sit back and enjoy good games (they better bloody be good games)
It's the last year for soO and probably herO as well!
That can't be right, both of them are younger than Classic. Unless they're retiring voluntarily?
I am quite sure soO said multiple times during his interviews that 2019 was his last year and iirc he mentioned that as additional source of motivation.
As for herO, it was written he was considering retirement last year but then decided to play for one more year.
I'd be happy to be wrong or they might decide otherwise after all; however, Classic is one year older than both and he is struggling to postpone enlistment, his BlizzCon participation is not confirmed yet and he was denied the possibility of going to Katowice. For the korean progamers born in 1992 this year is most likely the last "safe" one.
On June 03 2019 06:47 Wombat_NI wrote: I want Classic to win due to him having military service due, that aside there’s lots of stories and whatnot that I’d be happy with, Dark or soO getting their hands on a GSL (or indeed a Zerg getting one), Inno getting more fodder for consideration as a potential GOAT years down the line when we can properly look back and consider etc.
Trap I’m rooting hardcore for as he was my tip, and I enjoy being right on the odd occasion I am
I like the way Hurricane carries himself, seems a pretty chill guy and it would rile up the more annoying balance whiners more than any other player winning probably, which I’d also enjoy.
It’s a pretty nice feeling really, nobody I’d actively root against, nobody I’m super invested in so can just chill and sit back and enjoy good games (they better bloody be good games)
It's the last year for soO and probably herO as well!
That can't be right, both of them are younger than Classic. Unless they're retiring voluntarily?
I am quite sure soO said multiple times during his interviews that 2019 was his last year and iirc he mentioned that as additional source of motivation.
As for herO, it was written he was considering retirement last year but then decided to play for one more year.
I'd be happy to be wrong or they might decide otherwise after all; however, Classic is one year older than both and he is struggling to postpone enlistment, his BlizzCon participation is not confirmed yet and he was denied the possibility of going to Katowice. For the korean progamers born in 1992 this year is most likely the last "safe" one.
I'm struggling really hard not to make a comment on inno vs stats series, but I guess i'll just save all of my sarcasm for finals review thread. I'm just dying to see what kind of excuses (aka reasonable protoss nerf argumentation) will pop up after Inno will take it all. God that will be epic. I guess i'll even take a day off specifically for that.
On June 03 2019 01:43 BerserkSword wrote: i dont understand why people are saying dark is basically guaranteed a finals spot
hero and parting both excel in the current pvz meta which focuses on timings, and both have the potential to display the pinnacle of unit control which goes hand in hand with the timings. they are both extremely dangerous opponents for dark imo, as is hurricane, who has recently been making his GSL runs on the back of his PvZ against guys like Rogue and Solar
It's pretty simple, herO and PartinG have not been on the level of Dark for years. We're not talking about 2017 herO or 2015 PartinG. There's a limit to how far a favourable meta alone can take someone.
That being said I can see Dark losing to herO. PartinG wouldn't beat either of them.
not simple at all.
parting and hero not being on dark's level for years has nothing to do with their current form and potential.
that, combined with the meta, means, to me, that dark is far from guaranteed a finals spot.
the idea that dark is basically guaranteed a finals spot because he faces hero/parting/trap just sounds ridiculous
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