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Wardi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
England896 Posts
May 10 2019 07:48 GMT
#6
Did he essentially call Lambo out as not good looking? Bm
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Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
May 10 2019 07:51 GMT
#7
So this is the guy that shit talks the entire NA scene and then goes and compete in the lowest skill region thanks to a surprise NZ citizenship?... He says it himself, it's bull****, but it's legal, so...
Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
May 10 2019 08:47 GMT
#8
On May 10 2019 16:51 Elmonti wrote:
So this is the guy that shit talks the entire NA scene and then goes and compete in the lowest skill region thanks to a surprise NZ citizenship?... He says it himself, it's bull****, but it's legal, so...


I fail to see the contradiction. Why would he not try to avoid EU if he had said in the past EU is better than NA?
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-10 09:31:04
May 10 2019 09:22 GMT
#9
On May 10 2019 17:47 Need wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 16:51 Elmonti wrote:
So this is the guy that shit talks the entire NA scene and then goes and compete in the lowest skill region thanks to a surprise NZ citizenship?... He says it himself, it's bull****, but it's legal, so...


I fail to see the contradiction. Why would he not try to avoid EU if he had said in the past EU is better than NA?


He shames the NA region but has to play in a much worse region to have some chance to get a seed for WCS (he wouldn't in EU or NA)... Don't you really see the hypocrisy there?... Or maybe hypocrisy is not the correct word... lack of ethics?

I didn't say he shouldn't try to avoid EU because it's too much for him, I understand that his only chance is to play in SEA. I said he is an hypocrite.
Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
May 10 2019 09:58 GMT
#10
On May 10 2019 18:22 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 17:47 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 16:51 Elmonti wrote:
So this is the guy that shit talks the entire NA scene and then goes and compete in the lowest skill region thanks to a surprise NZ citizenship?... He says it himself, it's bull****, but it's legal, so...


I fail to see the contradiction. Why would he not try to avoid EU if he had said in the past EU is better than NA?


He shames the NA region but has to play in a much worse region to have some chance to get a seed for WCS (he wouldn't in EU or NA)... Don't you really see the hypocrisy there?... Or maybe hypocrisy is not the correct word... lack of ethics?

I didn't say he shouldn't try to avoid EU because it's too much for him, I understand that his only chance is to play in SEA. I said he is an hypocrite.


Nope, not seeing it. Hypocrisy would be if he had shamed NA for being bad, but then he would've went to play in EU cause he thought he had higher chances. As it is, it's perfectly coherent to claim NA is worse than EU and KR, and go play in the easiest region you're allowed to in order to qualify. These are very orthogonal events imo.

In regards to lack of ethics... I don't know, maybe lack of unnecessary pride. Is it more ethical to fight the losing battle of qualifying via EU or fight a winnable battle using the windfall NZ citizenship? Up to everyone's moral compass, but I don't think should be an ethical dilemma
Synchrx
Profile Joined September 2017
United Kingdom29 Posts
May 10 2019 10:58 GMT
#11
Glad to see some spotlight on my boy Risky, will be rooting for him in WCS!
This, indeed, is the secret of the thing. This is why the demon of impermanence is beneficent. Because it is forgetting about things that renews their wonder.
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-10 11:06:24
May 10 2019 11:05 GMT
#12
On May 10 2019 18:58 Need wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 18:22 Elmonti wrote:
On May 10 2019 17:47 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 16:51 Elmonti wrote:
So this is the guy that shit talks the entire NA scene and then goes and compete in the lowest skill region thanks to a surprise NZ citizenship?... He says it himself, it's bull****, but it's legal, so...


I fail to see the contradiction. Why would he not try to avoid EU if he had said in the past EU is better than NA?


He shames the NA region but has to play in a much worse region to have some chance to get a seed for WCS (he wouldn't in EU or NA)... Don't you really see the hypocrisy there?... Or maybe hypocrisy is not the correct word... lack of ethics?

I didn't say he shouldn't try to avoid EU because it's too much for him, I understand that his only chance is to play in SEA. I said he is an hypocrite.


Nope, not seeing it. Hypocrisy would be if he had shamed NA for being bad, but then he would've went to play in EU cause he thought he had higher chances. As it is, it's perfectly coherent to claim NA is worse than EU and KR, and go play in the easiest region you're allowed to in order to qualify. These are very orthogonal events imo.

In regards to lack of ethics... I don't know, maybe lack of unnecessary pride. Is it more ethical to fight the losing battle of qualifying via EU or fight a winnable battle using the windfall NZ citizenship? Up to everyone's moral compass, but I don't think should be an ethical dilemma


I think it's hypocrite to shame NA for being bad, and then admitting he is worse by going to the weakest region as the only way to do well in a qualifier. He made an statement (we EU are way better than you NA players) and then behaves like the opposite (I'm only competitive in a region with lower level than NA). He claimed to have some qualities (being better than NA players) that he didn't really possess (he is only good enough to play in SEA qualifiers). That's the definition of hypocrisy. Either that, or he knew he was a worse player than NA challengers and still made fun of them, which makes him just plain stupid, like at twitch chat "NA LUL" levels. You choose.

You forgot to complete your question with "while shasming the entire NA region, which is way better than the one he is playing in". So yes, it is more ethical to shut up and have some respect for people better than you at what you do. Then you can go on and play the easy region to get the seed.
Arcair
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom26 Posts
May 10 2019 11:06 GMT
#13
Let's go RiSky. Looking forward to watching the games!
'Somethings awry'
Wardi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
England896 Posts
May 10 2019 11:18 GMT
#14
On May 10 2019 20:05 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 18:58 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 18:22 Elmonti wrote:
On May 10 2019 17:47 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 16:51 Elmonti wrote:
So this is the guy that shit talks the entire NA scene and then goes and compete in the lowest skill region thanks to a surprise NZ citizenship?... He says it himself, it's bull****, but it's legal, so...


I fail to see the contradiction. Why would he not try to avoid EU if he had said in the past EU is better than NA?


He shames the NA region but has to play in a much worse region to have some chance to get a seed for WCS (he wouldn't in EU or NA)... Don't you really see the hypocrisy there?... Or maybe hypocrisy is not the correct word... lack of ethics?

I didn't say he shouldn't try to avoid EU because it's too much for him, I understand that his only chance is to play in SEA. I said he is an hypocrite.


Nope, not seeing it. Hypocrisy would be if he had shamed NA for being bad, but then he would've went to play in EU cause he thought he had higher chances. As it is, it's perfectly coherent to claim NA is worse than EU and KR, and go play in the easiest region you're allowed to in order to qualify. These are very orthogonal events imo.

In regards to lack of ethics... I don't know, maybe lack of unnecessary pride. Is it more ethical to fight the losing battle of qualifying via EU or fight a winnable battle using the windfall NZ citizenship? Up to everyone's moral compass, but I don't think should be an ethical dilemma


I think it's hypocrite to shame NA for being bad, and then admitting he is worse by going to the weakest region as the only way to do well in a qualifier. He made an statement (we EU are way better than you NA players) and then behaves like the opposite (I'm only competitive in a region with lower level than NA). He claimed to have some qualities (being better than NA players) that he didn't really possess (he is only good enough to play in SEA qualifiers). That's the definition of hypocrisy. Either that, or he knew he was a worse player than NA challengers and still made fun of them, which makes him just plain stupid, like at twitch chat "NA LUL" levels. You choose.

You forgot to complete your question with "while shasming the entire NA region, which is way better than the one he is playing in". So yes, it is more ethical to shut up and have some respect for people better than you at what you do. Then you can go on and play the easy region to get the seed.


The fact he plays in new zealand proves his point no? He calls NA out for being worse than EU and because EU is tough he goes to qualify elsewhere. That doesn’t invalidate his statement, if he was allowed to qualify through na im sure he would try to qualify there instead of EU too, just look at the difference in na and eu challenger


CommentatorOwner of WardiTV. Streamer, caster & event organizer. / / www.wardi.tv
RiSkysc2
Profile Joined September 2011
696 Posts
May 10 2019 11:45 GMT
#15
On May 10 2019 20:05 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 18:58 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 18:22 Elmonti wrote:
On May 10 2019 17:47 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 16:51 Elmonti wrote:
So this is the guy that shit talks the entire NA scene and then goes and compete in the lowest skill region thanks to a surprise NZ citizenship?... He says it himself, it's bull****, but it's legal, so...


I fail to see the contradiction. Why would he not try to avoid EU if he had said in the past EU is better than NA?


He shames the NA region but has to play in a much worse region to have some chance to get a seed for WCS (he wouldn't in EU or NA)... Don't you really see the hypocrisy there?... Or maybe hypocrisy is not the correct word... lack of ethics?

I didn't say he shouldn't try to avoid EU because it's too much for him, I understand that his only chance is to play in SEA. I said he is an hypocrite.


Nope, not seeing it. Hypocrisy would be if he had shamed NA for being bad, but then he would've went to play in EU cause he thought he had higher chances. As it is, it's perfectly coherent to claim NA is worse than EU and KR, and go play in the easiest region you're allowed to in order to qualify. These are very orthogonal events imo.

In regards to lack of ethics... I don't know, maybe lack of unnecessary pride. Is it more ethical to fight the losing battle of qualifying via EU or fight a winnable battle using the windfall NZ citizenship? Up to everyone's moral compass, but I don't think should be an ethical dilemma


I think it's hypocrite to shame NA for being bad, and then admitting he is worse by going to the weakest region as the only way to do well in a qualifier. He made an statement (we EU are way better than you NA players) and then behaves like the opposite (I'm only competitive in a region with lower level than NA). He claimed to have some qualities (being better than NA players) that he didn't really possess (he is only good enough to play in SEA qualifiers). That's the definition of hypocrisy. Either that, or he knew he was a worse player than NA challengers and still made fun of them, which makes him just plain stupid, like at twitch chat "NA LUL" levels. You choose.

You forgot to complete your question with "while shasming the entire NA region, which is way better than the one he is playing in". So yes, it is more ethical to shut up and have some respect for people better than you at what you do. Then you can go on and play the easy region to get the seed.


I'm not going to get into the EU vs NA debate again. It's been talked to death, but i do want to say this:

I've never included myself in the EU vs NA debate. It's not "WE are better", it's "THEY (the EU pros, in general) are better", that's not to say that NA is bad, they're still very good and deserve respect. I just think the mid-high level and the high level EU scene is not respected enough as they maybe should, they are insanely insanely good, there's a ridiculous amount of depth in skill in the EU scene.

That's all, no drama please <3
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-10 12:31:11
May 10 2019 12:01 GMT
#16
On May 10 2019 20:18 Wardi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 20:05 Elmonti wrote:
On May 10 2019 18:58 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 18:22 Elmonti wrote:
On May 10 2019 17:47 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 16:51 Elmonti wrote:
So this is the guy that shit talks the entire NA scene and then goes and compete in the lowest skill region thanks to a surprise NZ citizenship?... He says it himself, it's bull****, but it's legal, so...


I fail to see the contradiction. Why would he not try to avoid EU if he had said in the past EU is better than NA?


He shames the NA region but has to play in a much worse region to have some chance to get a seed for WCS (he wouldn't in EU or NA)... Don't you really see the hypocrisy there?... Or maybe hypocrisy is not the correct word... lack of ethics?

I didn't say he shouldn't try to avoid EU because it's too much for him, I understand that his only chance is to play in SEA. I said he is an hypocrite.


Nope, not seeing it. Hypocrisy would be if he had shamed NA for being bad, but then he would've went to play in EU cause he thought he had higher chances. As it is, it's perfectly coherent to claim NA is worse than EU and KR, and go play in the easiest region you're allowed to in order to qualify. These are very orthogonal events imo.

In regards to lack of ethics... I don't know, maybe lack of unnecessary pride. Is it more ethical to fight the losing battle of qualifying via EU or fight a winnable battle using the windfall NZ citizenship? Up to everyone's moral compass, but I don't think should be an ethical dilemma


I think it's hypocrite to shame NA for being bad, and then admitting he is worse by going to the weakest region as the only way to do well in a qualifier. He made an statement (we EU are way better than you NA players) and then behaves like the opposite (I'm only competitive in a region with lower level than NA). He claimed to have some qualities (being better than NA players) that he didn't really possess (he is only good enough to play in SEA qualifiers). That's the definition of hypocrisy. Either that, or he knew he was a worse player than NA challengers and still made fun of them, which makes him just plain stupid, like at twitch chat "NA LUL" levels. You choose.

You forgot to complete your question with "while shasming the entire NA region, which is way better than the one he is playing in". So yes, it is more ethical to shut up and have some respect for people better than you at what you do. Then you can go on and play the easy region to get the seed.


The fact he plays in new zealand proves his point no? He calls NA out for being worse than EU and because EU is tough he goes to qualify elsewhere. That doesn’t invalidate his statement, if he was allowed to qualify through na im sure he would try to qualify there instead of EU too, just look at the difference in na and eu challenger




I don't know why you are talking about proving his point, when we are not debating whether he is right or not. I don't see where I say something along those lines in my messages. I agree EU scene is much better and deeper than NA. I think any of the top16 of EU Challenger would make it top4 in NA and none of the NA Challengers besides Neeb and Scarlett would make it into the top 16 EU. I think that is a fact. And that being true has nothing to do with Hypocrisy.

So yep, I agree with everything you said in your message, and imo I think that's not what we were debating.

On May 10 2019 20:45 RiSkysc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 20:05 Elmonti wrote:
On May 10 2019 18:58 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 18:22 Elmonti wrote:
On May 10 2019 17:47 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 16:51 Elmonti wrote:
So this is the guy that shit talks the entire NA scene and then goes and compete in the lowest skill region thanks to a surprise NZ citizenship?... He says it himself, it's bull****, but it's legal, so...


I fail to see the contradiction. Why would he not try to avoid EU if he had said in the past EU is better than NA?


He shames the NA region but has to play in a much worse region to have some chance to get a seed for WCS (he wouldn't in EU or NA)... Don't you really see the hypocrisy there?... Or maybe hypocrisy is not the correct word... lack of ethics?

I didn't say he shouldn't try to avoid EU because it's too much for him, I understand that his only chance is to play in SEA. I said he is an hypocrite.


Nope, not seeing it. Hypocrisy would be if he had shamed NA for being bad, but then he would've went to play in EU cause he thought he had higher chances. As it is, it's perfectly coherent to claim NA is worse than EU and KR, and go play in the easiest region you're allowed to in order to qualify. These are very orthogonal events imo.

In regards to lack of ethics... I don't know, maybe lack of unnecessary pride. Is it more ethical to fight the losing battle of qualifying via EU or fight a winnable battle using the windfall NZ citizenship? Up to everyone's moral compass, but I don't think should be an ethical dilemma


I think it's hypocrite to shame NA for being bad, and then admitting he is worse by going to the weakest region as the only way to do well in a qualifier. He made an statement (we EU are way better than you NA players) and then behaves like the opposite (I'm only competitive in a region with lower level than NA). He claimed to have some qualities (being better than NA players) that he didn't really possess (he is only good enough to play in SEA qualifiers). That's the definition of hypocrisy. Either that, or he knew he was a worse player than NA challengers and still made fun of them, which makes him just plain stupid, like at twitch chat "NA LUL" levels. You choose.

You forgot to complete your question with "while shasming the entire NA region, which is way better than the one he is playing in". So yes, it is more ethical to shut up and have some respect for people better than you at what you do. Then you can go on and play the easy region to get the seed.


I'm not going to get into the EU vs NA debate again. It's been talked to death, but i do want to say this:

I've never included myself in the EU vs NA debate. It's not "WE are better", it's "THEY (the EU pros, in general) are better", that's not to say that NA is bad, they're still very good and deserve respect. I just think the mid-high level and the high level EU scene is not respected enough as they maybe should, they are insanely insanely good, there's a ridiculous amount of depth in skill in the EU scene.

That's all, no drama please <3


Of course 0 drama here, just chill debate about something.

And no need to get into that since we were not talking about the EU vs NA debate... I think there is no debate, EU has way more and better players, period (See my reply to Wardi).

If you say you don't consider yourself better than NA players then you're not an hypocrite, so my apologies.

Now you are a player who has mocked an entire region for being worse than other WHILE being aware that you can't be competitive in none of their Challengers... I'm not sure that's better. It's even worse in my opinion.

And then again, I was talking about the time you used to shit talk NA like that. I guess after what happened in WCS Winter you changed your attitude towards the NA scene, and started to show the respect you say they deserve. Your message shows this at least.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6906 Posts
May 10 2019 12:14 GMT
#17
Cool interview!

Gimme MOAAAR of these :D
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Need
Profile Joined March 2019
566 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-10 12:34:59
May 10 2019 12:33 GMT
#18
Risky mentions that he thinks he'd have to go full-time to be more competitive. Does anyone know which pros in NA are full-time aside from the usual Neeb/Scarlett/Special? (not related at all to the Risky vs NA discussion above, just curious)
fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France901 Posts
May 10 2019 13:18 GMT
#19
I don't think RiSky has ever claimed to be personally better than the US players and him posting here to clarify his thoughts shouldn't even be necessary. I'm a scrub at the game yet I can still confidently say that the EU scene is deeper in skill than the US one. My skill at the game should have no bearing on that opinion, and neither should RiSky's level have.

Thanks for the insightful interview!
DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
May 10 2019 21:02 GMT
#20
On May 10 2019 21:01 Elmonti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 20:18 Wardi wrote:
On May 10 2019 20:05 Elmonti wrote:
On May 10 2019 18:58 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 18:22 Elmonti wrote:
On May 10 2019 17:47 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 16:51 Elmonti wrote:
So this is the guy that shit talks the entire NA scene and then goes and compete in the lowest skill region thanks to a surprise NZ citizenship?... He says it himself, it's bull****, but it's legal, so...


I fail to see the contradiction. Why would he not try to avoid EU if he had said in the past EU is better than NA?


He shames the NA region but has to play in a much worse region to have some chance to get a seed for WCS (he wouldn't in EU or NA)... Don't you really see the hypocrisy there?... Or maybe hypocrisy is not the correct word... lack of ethics?

I didn't say he shouldn't try to avoid EU because it's too much for him, I understand that his only chance is to play in SEA. I said he is an hypocrite.


Nope, not seeing it. Hypocrisy would be if he had shamed NA for being bad, but then he would've went to play in EU cause he thought he had higher chances. As it is, it's perfectly coherent to claim NA is worse than EU and KR, and go play in the easiest region you're allowed to in order to qualify. These are very orthogonal events imo.

In regards to lack of ethics... I don't know, maybe lack of unnecessary pride. Is it more ethical to fight the losing battle of qualifying via EU or fight a winnable battle using the windfall NZ citizenship? Up to everyone's moral compass, but I don't think should be an ethical dilemma


I think it's hypocrite to shame NA for being bad, and then admitting he is worse by going to the weakest region as the only way to do well in a qualifier. He made an statement (we EU are way better than you NA players) and then behaves like the opposite (I'm only competitive in a region with lower level than NA). He claimed to have some qualities (being better than NA players) that he didn't really possess (he is only good enough to play in SEA qualifiers). That's the definition of hypocrisy. Either that, or he knew he was a worse player than NA challengers and still made fun of them, which makes him just plain stupid, like at twitch chat "NA LUL" levels. You choose.

You forgot to complete your question with "while shasming the entire NA region, which is way better than the one he is playing in". So yes, it is more ethical to shut up and have some respect for people better than you at what you do. Then you can go on and play the easy region to get the seed.


The fact he plays in new zealand proves his point no? He calls NA out for being worse than EU and because EU is tough he goes to qualify elsewhere. That doesn’t invalidate his statement, if he was allowed to qualify through na im sure he would try to qualify there instead of EU too, just look at the difference in na and eu challenger




I don't know why you are talking about proving his point, when we are not debating whether he is right or not. I don't see where I say something along those lines in my messages. I agree EU scene is much better and deeper than NA. I think any of the top16 of EU Challenger would make it top4 in NA and none of the NA Challengers besides Neeb and Scarlett would make it into the top 16 EU. I think that is a fact. And that being true has nothing to do with Hypocrisy.

So yep, I agree with everything you said in your message, and imo I think that's not what we were debating.

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 20:45 RiSkysc2 wrote:
On May 10 2019 20:05 Elmonti wrote:
On May 10 2019 18:58 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 18:22 Elmonti wrote:
On May 10 2019 17:47 Need wrote:
On May 10 2019 16:51 Elmonti wrote:
So this is the guy that shit talks the entire NA scene and then goes and compete in the lowest skill region thanks to a surprise NZ citizenship?... He says it himself, it's bull****, but it's legal, so...


I fail to see the contradiction. Why would he not try to avoid EU if he had said in the past EU is better than NA?


He shames the NA region but has to play in a much worse region to have some chance to get a seed for WCS (he wouldn't in EU or NA)... Don't you really see the hypocrisy there?... Or maybe hypocrisy is not the correct word... lack of ethics?

I didn't say he shouldn't try to avoid EU because it's too much for him, I understand that his only chance is to play in SEA. I said he is an hypocrite.


Nope, not seeing it. Hypocrisy would be if he had shamed NA for being bad, but then he would've went to play in EU cause he thought he had higher chances. As it is, it's perfectly coherent to claim NA is worse than EU and KR, and go play in the easiest region you're allowed to in order to qualify. These are very orthogonal events imo.

In regards to lack of ethics... I don't know, maybe lack of unnecessary pride. Is it more ethical to fight the losing battle of qualifying via EU or fight a winnable battle using the windfall NZ citizenship? Up to everyone's moral compass, but I don't think should be an ethical dilemma


I think it's hypocrite to shame NA for being bad, and then admitting he is worse by going to the weakest region as the only way to do well in a qualifier. He made an statement (we EU are way better than you NA players) and then behaves like the opposite (I'm only competitive in a region with lower level than NA). He claimed to have some qualities (being better than NA players) that he didn't really possess (he is only good enough to play in SEA qualifiers). That's the definition of hypocrisy. Either that, or he knew he was a worse player than NA challengers and still made fun of them, which makes him just plain stupid, like at twitch chat "NA LUL" levels. You choose.

You forgot to complete your question with "while shasming the entire NA region, which is way better than the one he is playing in". So yes, it is more ethical to shut up and have some respect for people better than you at what you do. Then you can go on and play the easy region to get the seed.


I'm not going to get into the EU vs NA debate again. It's been talked to death, but i do want to say this:

I've never included myself in the EU vs NA debate. It's not "WE are better", it's "THEY (the EU pros, in general) are better", that's not to say that NA is bad, they're still very good and deserve respect. I just think the mid-high level and the high level EU scene is not respected enough as they maybe should, they are insanely insanely good, there's a ridiculous amount of depth in skill in the EU scene.

That's all, no drama please <3


Of course 0 drama here, just chill debate about something.

And no need to get into that since we were not talking about the EU vs NA debate... I think there is no debate, EU has way more and better players, period (See my reply to Wardi).

If you say you don't consider yourself better than NA players then you're not an hypocrite, so my apologies.

Now you are a player who has mocked an entire region for being worse than other WHILE being aware that you can't be competitive in none of their Challengers... I'm not sure that's better. It's even worse in my opinion.

And then again, I was talking about the time you used to shit talk NA like that. I guess after what happened in WCS Winter you changed your attitude towards the NA scene, and started to show the respect you say they deserve. Your message shows this at least.


Hes going SEA because he literally has a citizenship there - not because he "fears" NA lmao - he doesn't have 3 citizenships - as far as I'm aware - so I don't understand why you are confused about why he isn't trying to qualify on NA.

He can play from KR with reasonable ping on SEA - and the key here.. in case you are still confused - he has citizenship..so he's allowed to? How does this possibly say to you that he's scared to try qualifying on NA? He's absolutely good enough to compete in the NA qualifier - the top tier of Na is strong - but below Neeb/Scarlett(who I'm not sure is in the equation) Special there is a giant gap... and since well.. he's not allowed to.. and even if he was allowed to has no means to with playable ping.. in what universe does this translate to your position?
Elmonti
Profile Joined July 2018
Spain299 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-10 21:24:52
May 10 2019 21:22 GMT
#21
On May 11 2019 06:02 DomeGetta wrote:


Hes going SEA because he literally has a citizenship there - not because he "fears" NA lmao - he doesn't have 3 citizenships - as far as I'm aware - so I don't understand why you are confused about why he isn't trying to qualify on NA.

He can play from KR with reasonable ping on SEA - and the key here.. in case you are still confused - he has citizenship..so he's allowed to? How does this possibly say to you that he's scared to try qualifying on NA? He's absolutely good enough to compete in the NA qualifier - the top tier of Na is strong - but below Neeb/Scarlett(who I'm not sure is in the equation) Special there is a giant gap... and since well.. he's not allowed to.. and even if he was allowed to has no means to with playable ping.. in what universe does this translate to your position?


There is so much wrong stuff in this message... and so little related to my messages.

1- I never said he "fears" NA and I never said this was the reason he went to SEA. Quote me the part that made you think that please. NA has nothing to do with his decision, since he cannot play that Challenger.
2- I never said I was confused about why he played SEA instead of EU. Quote me the part that made you think that. I think it's pretty clear: he can do both, and SEA is way easier. I would do the same in his position.
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
May 11 2019 03:45 GMT
#22
Just to review, this entire thread has devolved into racism.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3357 Posts
May 11 2019 03:48 GMT
#23
cool interview, GL in the tournaments

(also just ignore the drama, there is always something anyway...)
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mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
May 11 2019 13:03 GMT
#24
On May 11 2019 12:45 Circumstance wrote:
Just to review, this entire thread has devolved into racism.


It's 2019, anything and everything is racism.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25090 Posts
May 21 2019 13:01 GMT
#25
Cool interview, plus a bit of my UK bias is extra happy.

I wonder why we don’t produce quite as many players as other European countries, even when comboed with Ireland too.
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