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Bunny > Dark
Rogue > Classic
Maru > Dear
Trap < TY
Rogue > Dark
Maru > TY
Rogue ^? Maru
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On March 26 2019 22:32 Shuffleblade wrote:
Bunny > Dark
Rogue > Classic
Maru > Dear
Trap < TY
Rogue > Dark
Maru > TY
Rogue ^? Maru
You killed Dark in the Ro8 xD
Bunny < Dark
Rogue > Classic
Maru > Dear
Trap < TY
Rogue > Dark
Maru < TY
Rogue > TY
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On March 26 2019 22:41 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2019 22:32 Shuffleblade wrote:
Bunny > Dark
Rogue > Classic
Maru > Dear
Trap < TY
Rogue > Dark
Maru > TY
Rogue ^? Maru You killed Dark in the Ro8 xD Bunny < Dark Rogue > Classic Maru > Dear Trap < TY Rogue > Dark Maru < TY Rogue > TY
Haha! Yeah I meant to write Bunny against Rogue, I actually believe Bunny will take Dark and play well in the semifinals. I'm more sure in Bunny vs Dark than Rogue vs Classic. The two semifinals are probably going to be really closely contested.
Also hoping Bunny prepares a ceremony where he takes his pants off if he wins, would be perfect xD
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Bunny seems to be very confident nowadays, he must be training diligently. So while history favors Dark, that might not be relevant to the current form. I'll give my vote to Bunny.
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I wonder who Bunny is practicing with. You'd assume Classic has soO and Impact due to the SKT connection which in theory leaves some combination of Solar, TRUE, Losira, Leenock, and Ragnarok for Bunny, but that's a huge step down, especially if say Bunny can't get Solar.
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Not a huge fan of Classic, but I hope he wins GSL because I heard he's going to get drafted soon.
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On March 26 2019 20:28 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2019 20:01 Shuffleblade wrote:On March 26 2019 18:48 Harris1st wrote:On March 26 2019 11:52 AxiomBlurr wrote:
Dark and Classic to advance.
PS:
Once again the ro8 in GSL is the perfect litmus test for SC2 balance. The race distribution in GSL ro8 has been almost perfect since SC2 was released. An amazing fact, but a fact that the balance cry babies choose to continue to ignore.
GSL ist pretty much the worst test for balance. Ppl bring specifically designed builds to the table to snipe the one specific person. Nothing about this is balance. Every weekender shows more about balance Depends how you mean that weekenders shows more about balance, depends how you define balance. Beastyqt had a really good discussion about balance (and if T is UP at the moment) based on the tournament results. Basically it boiled down to how different races are good in different formats, more specifically terran is worse for weekender. The reasoning being that they are more dependant on harass to halt the zerg or protoss economy in TvZ and TvP. But at a weekender you play many players in a row in a short time, Ts builds once shown are often easy to defend well while the T has a very hard time to bring more than 4-5 builds to a tournament tops for each matchup. Its different for Z and P whom often isn't as reliant on getting harass damage in and can rely on more safe openings, the further the tournament goes along the harder it gets for T in those matchups when their builds have been shown. GSL is about planning how to take down a specific person. None of GSL or weekender is really relevant to show ladder balance which are is when one person plays another person normally without knowing anything about that persons builds or playstyle. But most important is the fact that GSL Ro8 is a small sample. Let me introduce you to an example - we have 28 Z, 2T and 2P in the Code S. For the fun of it - BoxeR, iloveoov, Bisu and Stork. And 28 random Zergs who got there because of some balance oopsie. We will get into RO8 these 4 giants and 4 random zergs. The ratio is off by 1(!!!!!!!!) player. 4/2/2. It looks almost perfect. While the whole balance is FUBAR. But hey, the RO8 looks fine, maybe we can tone down the Zerg a little bit, shall we? I apologize to BW elitists for butchering nicknames of the players(if I did). I wanted to avoid the discussion of who's the best for the races in SC2 thus I used BW giants  Edit> If I throw NaDa into the example and change it to 27/3/2 with NaDa advancing we get 3/3/2. Best possible ratio. Who cares we needed 3 Bonjwas and 2 Dragons to get the perfect ratio Show nested quote +On March 26 2019 20:22 Akio wrote:
As much as I'm rooting for Classic, it will be tragic if he wins GSL and then has to forfeit his BlizzCon spot due to his age... I believe they would allow him travel to the Blizzcon. Maybe Blizzard can step in if he wins GSL. You have to believe in the chin.
Blizzard couldn't help Polt in 2016, I don't see them being able to help Classic.
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On March 27 2019 03:02 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2019 20:28 deacon.frost wrote:On March 26 2019 20:01 Shuffleblade wrote:On March 26 2019 18:48 Harris1st wrote:On March 26 2019 11:52 AxiomBlurr wrote:
Dark and Classic to advance.
PS:
Once again the ro8 in GSL is the perfect litmus test for SC2 balance. The race distribution in GSL ro8 has been almost perfect since SC2 was released. An amazing fact, but a fact that the balance cry babies choose to continue to ignore.
GSL ist pretty much the worst test for balance. Ppl bring specifically designed builds to the table to snipe the one specific person. Nothing about this is balance. Every weekender shows more about balance Depends how you mean that weekenders shows more about balance, depends how you define balance. Beastyqt had a really good discussion about balance (and if T is UP at the moment) based on the tournament results. Basically it boiled down to how different races are good in different formats, more specifically terran is worse for weekender. The reasoning being that they are more dependant on harass to halt the zerg or protoss economy in TvZ and TvP. But at a weekender you play many players in a row in a short time, Ts builds once shown are often easy to defend well while the T has a very hard time to bring more than 4-5 builds to a tournament tops for each matchup. Its different for Z and P whom often isn't as reliant on getting harass damage in and can rely on more safe openings, the further the tournament goes along the harder it gets for T in those matchups when their builds have been shown. GSL is about planning how to take down a specific person. None of GSL or weekender is really relevant to show ladder balance which are is when one person plays another person normally without knowing anything about that persons builds or playstyle. But most important is the fact that GSL Ro8 is a small sample. Let me introduce you to an example - we have 28 Z, 2T and 2P in the Code S. For the fun of it - BoxeR, iloveoov, Bisu and Stork. And 28 random Zergs who got there because of some balance oopsie. We will get into RO8 these 4 giants and 4 random zergs. The ratio is off by 1(!!!!!!!!) player. 4/2/2. It looks almost perfect. While the whole balance is FUBAR. But hey, the RO8 looks fine, maybe we can tone down the Zerg a little bit, shall we? I apologize to BW elitists for butchering nicknames of the players(if I did). I wanted to avoid the discussion of who's the best for the races in SC2 thus I used BW giants Edit> If I throw NaDa into the example and change it to 27/3/2 with NaDa advancing we get 3/3/2. Best possible ratio. Who cares we needed 3 Bonjwas and 2 Dragons to get the perfect ratio On March 26 2019 20:22 Akio wrote:
As much as I'm rooting for Classic, it will be tragic if he wins GSL and then has to forfeit his BlizzCon spot due to his age... I believe they would allow him travel to the Blizzcon. Maybe Blizzard can step in if he wins GSL. You have to believe in the chin. Blizzard couldn't help Polt in 2016, I don't see them being able to help Classic.
Maybe they should ask ROOT and MC for advice since they got out of that hole.
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On March 27 2019 03:43 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 03:02 Durnuu wrote:On March 26 2019 20:28 deacon.frost wrote:On March 26 2019 20:01 Shuffleblade wrote:On March 26 2019 18:48 Harris1st wrote:On March 26 2019 11:52 AxiomBlurr wrote:
Dark and Classic to advance.
PS:
Once again the ro8 in GSL is the perfect litmus test for SC2 balance. The race distribution in GSL ro8 has been almost perfect since SC2 was released. An amazing fact, but a fact that the balance cry babies choose to continue to ignore.
GSL ist pretty much the worst test for balance. Ppl bring specifically designed builds to the table to snipe the one specific person. Nothing about this is balance. Every weekender shows more about balance Depends how you mean that weekenders shows more about balance, depends how you define balance. Beastyqt had a really good discussion about balance (and if T is UP at the moment) based on the tournament results. Basically it boiled down to how different races are good in different formats, more specifically terran is worse for weekender. The reasoning being that they are more dependant on harass to halt the zerg or protoss economy in TvZ and TvP. But at a weekender you play many players in a row in a short time, Ts builds once shown are often easy to defend well while the T has a very hard time to bring more than 4-5 builds to a tournament tops for each matchup. Its different for Z and P whom often isn't as reliant on getting harass damage in and can rely on more safe openings, the further the tournament goes along the harder it gets for T in those matchups when their builds have been shown. GSL is about planning how to take down a specific person. None of GSL or weekender is really relevant to show ladder balance which are is when one person plays another person normally without knowing anything about that persons builds or playstyle. But most important is the fact that GSL Ro8 is a small sample. Let me introduce you to an example - we have 28 Z, 2T and 2P in the Code S. For the fun of it - BoxeR, iloveoov, Bisu and Stork. And 28 random Zergs who got there because of some balance oopsie. We will get into RO8 these 4 giants and 4 random zergs. The ratio is off by 1(!!!!!!!!) player. 4/2/2. It looks almost perfect. While the whole balance is FUBAR. But hey, the RO8 looks fine, maybe we can tone down the Zerg a little bit, shall we? I apologize to BW elitists for butchering nicknames of the players(if I did). I wanted to avoid the discussion of who's the best for the races in SC2 thus I used BW giants Edit> If I throw NaDa into the example and change it to 27/3/2 with NaDa advancing we get 3/3/2. Best possible ratio. Who cares we needed 3 Bonjwas and 2 Dragons to get the perfect ratio On March 26 2019 20:22 Akio wrote:
As much as I'm rooting for Classic, it will be tragic if he wins GSL and then has to forfeit his BlizzCon spot due to his age... I believe they would allow him travel to the Blizzcon. Maybe Blizzard can step in if he wins GSL. You have to believe in the chin. Blizzard couldn't help Polt in 2016, I don't see them being able to help Classic. Maybe they should ask ROOT and MC for advice since they got out of that hole.
just gotta gain weight? I thought MC delayed it because he was overweight lol
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If it was any zerg besides Dark, I would think Bunny is doomed, but Dark's playstyle is hardcountered by Bunny's strengths in the matchup. Bunny likes quick sharp attacks, and practices early-midgame army trading almost exclusively. I think Bunny takes it 3-1.
Classic vs Rogue... I think Classic's 2nd best MU is PvZ. (I think his worst MU is PvT. It was the best in the world 6-10 months ago. Not since.) Rogue is a monster though, and ZvP is really tricky for P these days if the zerg is a solid and can get his hatcheries and drones up. It's tough to call, but I think 3-2 Rogue.
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On March 27 2019 05:04 ThunderJunk wrote:
If it was any zerg besides Dark, I would think Bunny is doomed, but Dark's playstyle is hardcountered by Bunny's strengths in the matchup.
And that's why Dark completely, utterly destroys him every time they play.
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On March 27 2019 05:04 ThunderJunk wrote:
If it was any zerg besides Dark, I would think Bunny is doomed, but Dark's playstyle is hardcountered by Bunny's strengths in the matchup.
If that's what getting hardcountered looks like, Afreeca won't be allowed to broadcast Dark actually winning.
It's not just Bunny either, the man has a proven record; his aligulac Victims list is headed by TY, Gumiho, Alive, and Cure. The only Terrans that can really stand up to Dark are Maru and Inno.
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On March 27 2019 05:58 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 05:04 ThunderJunk wrote:
If it was any zerg besides Dark, I would think Bunny is doomed, but Dark's playstyle is hardcountered by Bunny's strengths in the matchup. If that's what getting hardcountered looks like, Afreeca won't be allowed to broadcast Dark actually winning. It's not just Bunny either, the man has a proven record; his aligulac Victims list is headed by TY, Gumiho, Alive, and Cure. The only Terrans that can really stand up to Dark are Maru and Inno.
Dark is also INnoVation´s biggest nemesis on Aligulac and has Won 11 out of their last 13 encounters
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On March 27 2019 06:22 Toua wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 05:58 pvsnp wrote:On March 27 2019 05:04 ThunderJunk wrote:
If it was any zerg besides Dark, I would think Bunny is doomed, but Dark's playstyle is hardcountered by Bunny's strengths in the matchup. If that's what getting hardcountered looks like, Afreeca won't be allowed to broadcast Dark actually winning. It's not just Bunny either, the man has a proven record; his aligulac Victims list is headed by TY, Gumiho, Alive, and Cure. The only Terrans that can really stand up to Dark are Maru and Inno. Dark is also INnoVation´s biggest nemesis on Aligulac and has Won 11 out of their last 13 encounters
Online.
Offline, Dark is very even with Maru/Inno, whereas he stomps Bunny, TY, Gumiho, etc.
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On March 27 2019 06:36 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 06:22 Toua wrote:On March 27 2019 05:58 pvsnp wrote:On March 27 2019 05:04 ThunderJunk wrote:
If it was any zerg besides Dark, I would think Bunny is doomed, but Dark's playstyle is hardcountered by Bunny's strengths in the matchup. If that's what getting hardcountered looks like, Afreeca won't be allowed to broadcast Dark actually winning. It's not just Bunny either, the man has a proven record; his aligulac Victims list is headed by TY, Gumiho, Alive, and Cure. The only Terrans that can really stand up to Dark are Maru and Inno. Dark is also INnoVation´s biggest nemesis on Aligulac and has Won 11 out of their last 13 encounters Online. Offline, Dark is very even with Maru/Inno, whereas he stomps Bunny, TY, Gumiho, etc.
True, forgot to check where it was played
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On March 27 2019 06:36 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 06:22 Toua wrote:On March 27 2019 05:58 pvsnp wrote:On March 27 2019 05:04 ThunderJunk wrote:
If it was any zerg besides Dark, I would think Bunny is doomed, but Dark's playstyle is hardcountered by Bunny's strengths in the matchup. If that's what getting hardcountered looks like, Afreeca won't be allowed to broadcast Dark actually winning. It's not just Bunny either, the man has a proven record; his aligulac Victims list is headed by TY, Gumiho, Alive, and Cure. The only Terrans that can really stand up to Dark are Maru and Inno. Dark is also INnoVation´s biggest nemesis on Aligulac and has Won 11 out of their last 13 encounters Online. Offline, Dark is very even with Maru/Inno, whereas he stomps Bunny, TY, Gumiho, etc.
Its a real shame that matchfixer had to matchfix because him not playing for the last three years takes away from Dark's case to be the best ZvT of all time for a lot of people. It's shocking how hard he tends to stomp guys like Bunny/Gumiho/TY despite them being all phenomenal in the matchup.
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On March 27 2019 07:57 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2019 06:36 pvsnp wrote:On March 27 2019 06:22 Toua wrote:On March 27 2019 05:58 pvsnp wrote:On March 27 2019 05:04 ThunderJunk wrote:
If it was any zerg besides Dark, I would think Bunny is doomed, but Dark's playstyle is hardcountered by Bunny's strengths in the matchup. If that's what getting hardcountered looks like, Afreeca won't be allowed to broadcast Dark actually winning. It's not just Bunny either, the man has a proven record; his aligulac Victims list is headed by TY, Gumiho, Alive, and Cure. The only Terrans that can really stand up to Dark are Maru and Inno. Dark is also INnoVation´s biggest nemesis on Aligulac and has Won 11 out of their last 13 encounters Online. Offline, Dark is very even with Maru/Inno, whereas he stomps Bunny, TY, Gumiho, etc. Its a real shame that matchfixer had to matchfix because him not playing for the last three years takes away from Dark's case to be the best ZvT of all time for a lot of people. It's shocking how hard he tends to stomp guys like Bunny/Gumiho/TY despite them being all phenomenal in the matchup.
Phenomenal seems like a stretch.
Artosis loves to hype TY's intelligence and positioning, but his aggression is a bit lacking for TvZ. Gumiho's admitted that he just doesn't have the speed/skill to keep up with the matchup, and his bio suffers for it. Bunny might be endearing, but his style reminds me too much of the EU dogma of "TvZ lategame doesn't exist, so I'll just die at hive." None of them can match the mechanical marvels of a Maru or a Inno firing on all cylinders.
Dark is phenomenal. So was Life, whatever his personal failings. It takes equally exceptional Terrans to stand up to them.
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On March 26 2019 23:36 Kazi25 wrote:
Bunny seems to be very confident nowadays, he must be training diligently. So while history favors Dark, that might not be relevant to the current form. I'll give my vote to Bunny.
this is how i approached this match. i think dark is greater player but bunny has a big chip on his shoulder this season and i think he is going to play outside his expected range
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OMG Rogue the curse is real
Rooting for trap now
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