• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:07
CEST 13:07
KST 20:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash8[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy15ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research7Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Behind the scenes footage of ASL21 Group E BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Build Order Practice Maps
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group E [ASL21] Ro24 Group F Azhi's Colosseum - Foreign KCM [ASL21] Ro24 Group D
Strategy
MB-820 Is Humbling Me and I Thought I Was Ready! What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1670 users

INnoVation out, Classic & Trap advance in Code S - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
64 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
DivinesiaTV
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland58 Posts
March 21 2019 09:08 GMT
#21
No terran wouldve overcome this group... Nice try Inno!
Always look at the bright side of life
StarcraftSquall
Profile Joined December 2018
United States196 Posts
March 21 2019 09:19 GMT
#22
Hmm... Part of me wonders if INnoVation exhausted all his energy last week particularly vs Serral. That final was not an easy series for either of them.

Yes I know he dodged Protoss but I also wonder if, flying back from China and then only having a couple prep days did a number on him he wasn’t able to overcome.

Dark is in the same boat this weekend except: he will get a full week.

Seems like a really unfair advantage against both Inno and Dark just in terms of schedule. (Maru was able to take care of his business before leaving for China). 🤔

This scheduling quirk happened last year too, would be nice if they could get all four rounds in on one side or the other to make the playing field more even.

(On a side note: more Terran tears, anyone? 😂 I used to empathize with them. I don’t anymore.)
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 21 2019 09:45 GMT
#23
On March 21 2019 18:19 StarcraftSquall wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hmm... Part of me wonders if INnoVation exhausted all his energy last week particularly vs Serral. That final was not an easy series for either of them.

Yes I know he dodged Protoss but I also wonder if, flying back from China and then only having a couple prep days did a number on him he wasn’t able to overcome.

Dark is in the same boat this weekend except: he will get a full week.


Seems like a really unfair advantage against both Inno and Dark just in terms of schedule. (Maru was able to take care of his business before leaving for China). 🤔
+ Show Spoiler +

This scheduling quirk happened last year too, would be nice if they could get all four rounds in on one side or the other to make the playing field more even.

(On a side note: more Terran tears, anyone? 😂 I used to empathize with them. I don’t anymore.
)

It's not like Maru was at IEM in Poland before.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
March 21 2019 09:54 GMT
#24
On March 21 2019 18:19 StarcraftSquall wrote:
(On a side note: more Terran tears, anyone? 😂 I used to empathize with them. I don’t anymore.)


Honestly, I hear probably twice as much whining about Terran whine than actual Terran whine. Maybe I can start the third tier meta where everyone can start whining about people whining about Terran whine?

Inno seemed really committed to his two base play in TvP while we've seen some recent success with Terran threatening 2 base pushes then playing defensively if Protoss isn't punishable into bio lib viking late game. I'm not sold on the style (Rail vs Inno for example) but it's still new and worth exploring imo.
In Somnis Veritas
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
March 21 2019 11:44 GMT
#25
We're in for a TY/Maru vs Rogue finals
Mine gas, build tanks.
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3486 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-21 11:53:35
March 21 2019 11:49 GMT
#26
Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.

Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 21 2019 11:51 GMT
#27
On March 21 2019 20:44 Akio wrote:
We're in for a TY/Maru vs Rogue finals

Few problems I see.
1) Rogue vs RO8 curse The curse proved to be strong in the past. Classic is really good. I don't know, Kev.
2) Trap has good PvT, he may get us a double upset(I wouldn't bet on Maru against his teammates).
3) Dark, herO and Cure can win against Maru, Dark because he's Dark, Cure because he's from JAGW and herO because he may find his long lost mojo in RO8. Although I don't think herO and Cure can win the group, Dark should be the victor unless he comes in drunk. I don't know why I think Dear has no chances to advance nor beat Maru. Sorry, Dear, it's just me guts
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
March 21 2019 12:41 GMT
#28
On March 21 2019 08:24 Waxangel wrote:
AfreecaTV activated the INnoVation Protocol in order to RE:Generate the GSL. Now that the mission is accomplished, it's been put offline.


I’m holding you personally responsible for this.
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
March 21 2019 12:46 GMT
#29
Holly fuck does Innovation really do his best to make it harder for the fans! C'mon man, win 1-2 GSLs in 2019 so that we can put the GOAT discussion to rest!
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
March 21 2019 14:00 GMT
#30
Hmm, looks like we will have Maru vs Dark Ro8. Now that would be something
Also, Rogues bracket is developing for him to be an easy road to the finals. What better time to break his Ro8 curse than against his favorite punching bag.
The other side is really hard to predict, TY can smash everyone there but he can also choke and lose to Trap...
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
Tempest
Profile Joined October 2015
United States147 Posts
March 21 2019 14:01 GMT
#31
On March 21 2019 20:44 Akio wrote:
We're in for a TY/Maru vs Rogue finals


I find your lack of Classic fanboy disturbing.
Quick, think of some pithy cliche and toss it here
Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
March 21 2019 14:56 GMT
#32
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote:
Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.

Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((

Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
March 21 2019 14:58 GMT
#33
On March 21 2019 10:21 Kazi25 wrote:
Somehow, I would like to see Bunny win the GSL just to see how much he would cry.


Bunny will receive the curse for being the 2nd place, according to Soo.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3486 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-21 15:07:33
March 21 2019 15:06 GMT
#34
On March 21 2019 23:56 Jerom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote:
Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.

Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((

Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.

Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 21 2019 15:07 GMT
#35
Protoss players just have stronger mental in the matchup
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-21 15:50:25
March 21 2019 15:49 GMT
#36
I think Rogue get the safest route to the final if Hero being the 2nd place.
Unless Bunny defeat Hero easily or Dark being the 2nd place in his group.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
March 21 2019 16:05 GMT
#37
On March 21 2019 10:21 Kazi25 wrote:
Somehow, I would like to see Bunny win the GSL just to see how much he would cry.

Bunny is one of the only koreans with a strong personality but he never gets far enough in tournaments to show it. Would be amazing if he finally went deep somewhere
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
March 21 2019 17:48 GMT
#38
Seems like the GSL is battling back against any individual trying to usurp Serral as the World #1.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
MarianoSC2
Profile Joined June 2015
Slovakia1855 Posts
March 21 2019 18:16 GMT
#39
On March 22 2019 00:06 ejozl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2019 23:56 Jerom wrote:
On March 21 2019 20:49 ejozl wrote:
Pretty sure SCV pull has exactly 0% winrate, I think Terrans that want to study TvP shouldn't look at guys who scv pull, these guys clearly have a mental block in the matchup.

Also.. sOs, you have some of the sickest micro, just do the boring 2 base Adept+Immo+Sentry push, it'll give you a good chance of winning, you don't have to outwit EVERY opponent : (((((((

Innovation is one of the best TvP players in the world. His aligulac rating is extremely close to Maru and TY. If Innovation has a mental block in the matchup then all terrans in the world have a mental block in the match up.

Hmm. I always thought his weakness was cheesy Protoss players, definitely, I remember this to be the case during proleague. Obv. he's an incredibly skilled player and has solid builds, but pulling scv's honestly hasn't worked since LotV. It seems that most Terrans have a mental block vs Protoss and for good reason, no one seems to have solved the meta yet, but I think we should look for guys who are still trying to come up with solutions, rather than from games like this.


You are correct. Inno was never known for his killer TvP it was always "decent" at best and was always weak against cheesy and aggressive toss players such as herO, sOs
Top 11: Rogue, Maru, Inno, Zest, Life, sOs, Stats, Dark, soO, Mvp, Classic/Trap/MC/Rain
MoonyD
Profile Joined December 2013
Australia191 Posts
March 21 2019 19:48 GMT
#40
On March 21 2019 12:37 argonautdice wrote:
"soO wins IEM Katowice 2019"
"soO out in RO16, Maru squeaks into Code S quarterfinals"

"INnoVation defeats Serral to win WESG 2018"
"INnoVation out, Classic & Trap advance in Code S"

LOL




This was my exact thoughts. I was expecting great things from soO and Innovation, but it looks like either the travelling got to them both, or maybe the lack of preparation time.

Still, it was sad to see sOs going out the way he did. Not sure why he felt that he had to proxy each game vs Trap. Was really hoping to see him play just a normal standard/macro game in the deciding final game when it was tied 1-1.
The world wants to be deceived
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 88
CranKy Ducklings40
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SortOf 164
ProTech122
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 4847
Calm 4390
Sea 2376
Bisu 1542
Horang2 1184
firebathero 534
Hyuk 385
Soma 362
Mini 331
Shuttle 325
[ Show more ]
Shine 270
actioN 190
Stork 182
Last 137
PianO 126
hero 120
ggaemo 99
Rush 97
Soulkey 77
Hyun 57
Backho 54
Snow 49
sorry 36
Aegong 35
Shinee 32
Noble 30
NotJumperer 22
Terrorterran 21
[sc1f]eonzerg 21
Hm[arnc] 19
Barracks 19
910 19
zelot 18
scan(afreeca) 14
soO 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Movie 9
Sea.KH 7
Dota 2
BananaSlamJamma410
Gorgc155
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2329
x6flipin479
edward152
Other Games
singsing1439
B2W.Neo509
crisheroes205
Lowko146
Sick108
RotterdaM73
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick719
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1206
• Stunt517
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Team League
53m
OSC
12h 53m
RSL Revival
22h 53m
TriGGeR vs Cure
ByuN vs Rogue
Replay Cast
1d 12h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
BSL
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-31
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W1
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.