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franzji
United States581 Posts
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Anc13nt
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
On March 08 2019 17:11 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 16:29 Dave4 wrote: On March 08 2019 08:05 Waxangel wrote: On March 08 2019 07:22 Dave4 wrote: [Blah blah blah blah] If it's of any solace to you, we gave Serral the extremely prestigious player of the year award ![]() 1. Please don't edit my text in an attempt to insult me, I'm pretty sure that's not consistent with the high standards of TL communication. 2. It's not about me, it's about the way TL writers appear to bully Serral via underpaying and mocking his achievements in this way. The fuck, dude? He got THE BEST PLAYER OF THE YEAR. Have you missed it or what? The last power rank for 2018(which I found) is the October one and Serral didn't anything as impressive as 3 consecutive Code S titles back then. Then there's the conclusion where Serral gets the best player. He got player of the year, then there wasn't anything for 3 months, then he lost in the group to Innovation of all players and to top that off he lost in the RO8. At this moment spot #2 is just because he looked strong, but his momentum isn't the greatest, is it? Currently soO is the reigning champion of IEM while the last Serral's success is the Blizzcon win 3 months ago. soO managed to beat Serral. soO managed to beat Innovation in the code S group while Serral lost to Innovation in his IEM group. There's no clear indication that Serral at this moment is better than IEM champion. What kind of indication you want to use, 3 months old result from the previous season and previous balance patch? If we use Code S and IEM than soO IS better than Serral at this moment. Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 08:01 fishjie wrote: On March 08 2019 07:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I mean, the Serral fanboys have been annoying, but there's no denying he still deserves #1. Even with how heavily IEM seems to be weighted here, Serral only barely lost to soO and looked much more convincing throughout. soO stumbled his way through up until he met Serral. Not to mention Serral just came off an extraordinary 2018, while soO was mostly irrelevant. I love Gumiho as well, but Trap deserves to be above him. Yup, serral could easily have won that series. and he's already beaten stats twice, so he easily could've won IEM. all the more reason to remove region lock. let him keep showing his dominance over the best in the world. i want moar soo vs serral. zvz went from gglord winfestor broodlord vs broodlord roro vs curious, to intense back and forth roach ravager insanity. so beautiful It was so easy he easily ended the IEM with 2 losses and RO8 finish for the Finish. Sad story, really. So easy. Why he didn't do it if it's so easy? ![]() its easy in that it was a close match, it could easily have gone either way. So close that game 3 came down to a few handful of roaches and drones. that's why it was an amazing series. if serral had won, he would have easily 3-1 hero as well, and stats was already his punching bag | ||
Toua
Denmark318 Posts
On March 09 2019 01:41 fishjie wrote: Show nested quote + On March 08 2019 17:11 deacon.frost wrote: On March 08 2019 16:29 Dave4 wrote: On March 08 2019 08:05 Waxangel wrote: On March 08 2019 07:22 Dave4 wrote: [Blah blah blah blah] If it's of any solace to you, we gave Serral the extremely prestigious player of the year award ![]() 1. Please don't edit my text in an attempt to insult me, I'm pretty sure that's not consistent with the high standards of TL communication. 2. It's not about me, it's about the way TL writers appear to bully Serral via underpaying and mocking his achievements in this way. The fuck, dude? He got THE BEST PLAYER OF THE YEAR. Have you missed it or what? The last power rank for 2018(which I found) is the October one and Serral didn't anything as impressive as 3 consecutive Code S titles back then. Then there's the conclusion where Serral gets the best player. He got player of the year, then there wasn't anything for 3 months, then he lost in the group to Innovation of all players and to top that off he lost in the RO8. At this moment spot #2 is just because he looked strong, but his momentum isn't the greatest, is it? Currently soO is the reigning champion of IEM while the last Serral's success is the Blizzcon win 3 months ago. soO managed to beat Serral. soO managed to beat Innovation in the code S group while Serral lost to Innovation in his IEM group. There's no clear indication that Serral at this moment is better than IEM champion. What kind of indication you want to use, 3 months old result from the previous season and previous balance patch? If we use Code S and IEM than soO IS better than Serral at this moment. On March 08 2019 08:01 fishjie wrote: On March 08 2019 07:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I mean, the Serral fanboys have been annoying, but there's no denying he still deserves #1. Even with how heavily IEM seems to be weighted here, Serral only barely lost to soO and looked much more convincing throughout. soO stumbled his way through up until he met Serral. Not to mention Serral just came off an extraordinary 2018, while soO was mostly irrelevant. I love Gumiho as well, but Trap deserves to be above him. Yup, serral could easily have won that series. and he's already beaten stats twice, so he easily could've won IEM. all the more reason to remove region lock. let him keep showing his dominance over the best in the world. i want moar soo vs serral. zvz went from gglord winfestor broodlord vs broodlord roro vs curious, to intense back and forth roach ravager insanity. so beautiful It was so easy he easily ended the IEM with 2 losses and RO8 finish for the Finish. Sad story, really. So easy. Why he didn't do it if it's so easy? ![]() its easy in that it was a close match, it could easily have gone either way. So close that game 3 came down to a few handful of roaches and drones. that's why it was an amazing series. if serral had won, he would have easily 3-1 hero as well, and stats was already his punching bag I always love when people talk about something that did not happened, even though it did not. So you cant really talk like it was a sure fire thing | ||
fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
Most important factor: recent results: The only recent results from serious competition are a couple GSL and WCS Winter matches from the lower stages and IEM. Those are the main criteria from which a ranking should be built at first. Then, afterwards, the ranking can be shifted due to lesser factors. Due to the consistency factor Serral still got ranked 2nd and Maru still 5th. One could've argued for Stats being 2nd due to his almost flawless tournament run up to the finals. If Maru's phenomenal feat of last year wouldn't have been a factor here, then herO would've been ranked 5th instead. Also TY being 7th is only to his results of 2018 considering his mediocre performance at IEM (barely getting out of his group, getting stomped by Solar). If one wants to diminish soOs IEM achievement as a sufficient factor for being ranked first here, because of consistency and match record at the tournament: then Stats should be ranked first based on the same criteria. This was his 5th finals appearance in a premier tournament since early 2018 and he had the best map record at IEM. | ||
brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On March 09 2019 01:20 Anc13nt wrote: I feel like people are over-hyping how soO was bad during the group stage. His overall score was 25-13 which is a lot better than Serral's score (11-8). The big picture was that soO looked really strong during the tournament. the vast majority of SC2 fans talking about "form" and whether players "look bad" in a game have no clue what they're even saying and wouldn't be able to distinguish top pros from B tier pros with names off | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On March 09 2019 01:02 youngjiddle wrote: Can't wait to watch soO lose his group tonight in GSL, it will be real funny great job writers ![]() ![]() ![]() It wouldn't affect soO - Serral relation in this I believe as Serral lost and soO won the head to head and they had similar results in groups while soO was in a code S group. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On March 09 2019 06:05 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2019 01:02 youngjiddle wrote: Can't wait to watch soO lose his group tonight in GSL, it will be real funny great job writers ![]() ![]() ![]() It wouldn't affect soO - Serral relation in this I believe as Serral lost and soO won the head to head and they had similar results in groups while soO was in a code S group. Well soO can't really be number one if he lose tonight, you probably have to assume his IEM was more an anomaly than anything else and pull him back a bit. I get that Serral isn't in code S but if soO isn't the number 1 someone gotta be it. Anyway dosen't really matter no point talking about another power rank until the end of this season (WCSW-GSL-WESG) | ||
Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On March 09 2019 05:30 brickrd wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2019 01:20 Anc13nt wrote: I feel like people are over-hyping how soO was bad during the group stage. His overall score was 25-13 which is a lot better than Serral's score (11-8). The big picture was that soO looked really strong during the tournament. the vast majority of SC2 fans talking about "form" and whether players "look bad" in a game have no clue what they're even saying and wouldn't be able to distinguish top pros from B tier pros with names off I'm probably one of those people lol. I mainly play BW and have not played SC2 very much. | ||
franzji
United States581 Posts
"Serral wouldn't care where TL rates him" It's not really about Serral or people who think Serral should be #1. It's more about being dishonest and sharing misinformation for those who aren't hardcore fans. They see this and think soO is the best player in the world right now, which probably isn't the truth. | ||
BjoernK
194 Posts
On March 09 2019 05:30 brickrd wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2019 01:20 Anc13nt wrote: I feel like people are over-hyping how soO was bad during the group stage. His overall score was 25-13 which is a lot better than Serral's score (11-8). The big picture was that soO looked really strong during the tournament. the vast majority of SC2 fans talking about "form" and whether players "look bad" in a game have no clue what they're even saying and wouldn't be able to distinguish top pros from B tier pros with names off To be honest, I think almost no one can except for maybe pros; If you would have a test, where some random top 50gm played each other, and the usual casters would have to decide if they are TOP 10 or TOP 50 I guess that you would have quiet a high failure rate. | ||
Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On March 09 2019 14:45 BjoernK wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2019 05:30 brickrd wrote: On March 09 2019 01:20 Anc13nt wrote: I feel like people are over-hyping how soO was bad during the group stage. His overall score was 25-13 which is a lot better than Serral's score (11-8). The big picture was that soO looked really strong during the tournament. the vast majority of SC2 fans talking about "form" and whether players "look bad" in a game have no clue what they're even saying and wouldn't be able to distinguish top pros from B tier pros with names off To be honest, I think almost no one can except for maybe pros; If you would have a test, where some random top 50gm played each other, and the usual casters would have to decide if they are TOP 10 or TOP 50 I guess that you would have quiet a high failure rate. Yeah I agree. Most of the time I can't tell if they're playing above/below average unless they are playing extremely well or unsually bad. | ||
neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On March 09 2019 13:03 youngjiddle wrote: writers now defensive they bring up their Serral interview they did as some kind of defense that they give everyone their attention and have not historically been Korean biased (and still are). "Serral wouldn't care where TL rates him" It's not really about Serral or people who think Serral should be #1. It's more about being dishonest and sharing misinformation for those who aren't hardcore fans. They see this and think soO is the best player in the world right now, which probably isn't the truth. At this point, I have to ask: is this your first time looking at a TL power rank? If so, hi and welcome! It's great that you care about the game and your favourite players, but it would be nice if you could recognise that you simply have an opinion that differs from the TL writers and they're probably not murdering your family with their opinions, so you can relax on that front. If not: Hey, shape up! You should know the drill by now. Be cool. Your post comes across as flamey, and I think it totally sucks. | ||
aish
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TrashPanda
69 Posts
On March 09 2019 15:49 aish wrote: Highest ranked player out in ro16! And 2nd highest did not even make Ro32...clearly something is wrong here | ||
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
On March 09 2019 13:03 youngjiddle wrote: writers now defensive they bring up their Serral interview they did as some kind of defense that they give everyone their attention and have not historically been Korean biased (and still are). "Serral wouldn't care where TL rates him" It's not really about Serral or people who think Serral should be #1. It's more about being dishonest and sharing misinformation for those who aren't hardcore fans. They see this and think soO is the best player in the world right now, which probably isn't the truth. Bringing up the interview was not defensive, it simply served to disregard the delusional comment about us "bullying" Serral. As if he cares about what rank he is on the PR and felt bullied by that. I'll leave it at that - obviously since we're so biased it has no use to discuss anything anyways. | ||
deacon.frost
Czech Republic12128 Posts
On March 09 2019 17:17 TrashPanda wrote: And 2nd highest did not even make Ro32...clearly something is wrong here Also the 2nd highest got out of the biggest tournament of this year(so far) in RO8! | ||
Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 09 2019 17:56 deacon.frost wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2019 17:17 TrashPanda wrote: On March 09 2019 15:49 aish wrote: Highest ranked player out in ro16! And 2nd highest did not even make Ro32...clearly something is wrong here Also the 2nd highest got out of the biggest tournament of this year(so far) in RO8! At least nr 5 is performing accordingly to his rank, failing to qualify from his IEM group, but did scrape by as the 2nd seed from his GSL group. On March 09 2019 17:17 TrashPanda wrote: And 2nd highest did not even make Ro32...clearly something is wrong here And 3rd hasnt made it to ro16 either! | ||
Elentos
55456 Posts
On March 09 2019 18:01 Geo.Rion wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2019 17:56 deacon.frost wrote: On March 09 2019 17:17 TrashPanda wrote: On March 09 2019 15:49 aish wrote: Highest ranked player out in ro16! And 2nd highest did not even make Ro32...clearly something is wrong here Also the 2nd highest got out of the biggest tournament of this year(so far) in RO8! At least nr 5 is performing accordingly to his rank, failing to qualify from his IEM group, but did scrape by as the 2nd seed from his GSL group. Show nested quote + On March 09 2019 17:17 TrashPanda wrote: On March 09 2019 15:49 aish wrote: Highest ranked player out in ro16! And 2nd highest did not even make Ro32...clearly something is wrong here And 3rd hasnt made it to ro16 either! Does anyone else think #7 might have gotten a bit underrated? | ||
Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 09 2019 18:09 Elentos wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2019 18:01 Geo.Rion wrote: On March 09 2019 17:56 deacon.frost wrote: On March 09 2019 17:17 TrashPanda wrote: On March 09 2019 15:49 aish wrote: Highest ranked player out in ro16! And 2nd highest did not even make Ro32...clearly something is wrong here Also the 2nd highest got out of the biggest tournament of this year(so far) in RO8! At least nr 5 is performing accordingly to his rank, failing to qualify from his IEM group, but did scrape by as the 2nd seed from his GSL group. On March 09 2019 17:17 TrashPanda wrote: On March 09 2019 15:49 aish wrote: Highest ranked player out in ro16! And 2nd highest did not even make Ro32...clearly something is wrong here And 3rd hasnt made it to ro16 either! Does anyone else think #7 might have gotten a bit underrated? Most likely. However, I wouldn't see him higher than #6; herO didn't look impressive at all but Maru can't be lower than #5 in my opinion. | ||
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