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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-31 13:36:18
October 31 2018 13:34 GMT
#81
On October 31 2018 21:28 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:
I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way:

People that COULD be better than Serral:

- Maru
- TY
- Stats (arguable)
- Rogue (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Serral:
- Every Non-Korean
- Every Korean not at Blizzcon
- SoS
- Zest
- Dark (arguable)
- Classic

That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world

Now Maru's list is easier:

People that COULD be better than Maru:

- Serral (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Maru:

- Everyone else

Discuss!

EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago


Stats beat Maru but could not arguably be better than Maru.
Stats lost to Serral but could arguably be better than Serral. Explain your logic please.

sOs also beat Maru, I really don't understand why nobody but Serral is mentioned for players that could beat Maru.

Because h2h matches alone don't decide who's better. The guy was talking about who's better, not who could beat who. Maru has had better results than Stats by a big margin. He has better results than sOs by a massive margin.

The gap between Stats and Serral (in terms of results) isn't clear. They've both won a single tournament (with koreans) and made a couple top 4s in others.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6916 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-31 14:11:44
October 31 2018 14:10 GMT
#82
On October 31 2018 21:28 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:
I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way:

People that COULD be better than Serral:

- Maru
- TY
- Stats (arguable)
- Rogue (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Serral:
- Every Non-Korean
- Every Korean not at Blizzcon
- SoS
- Zest
- Dark (arguable)
- Classic

That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world

Now Maru's list is easier:

People that COULD be better than Maru:

- Serral (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Maru:

- Everyone else

Discuss!

EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago


Stats beat Maru but could not arguably be better than Maru.
Stats lost to Serral but could arguably be better than Serral. Explain your logic please.

sOs also beat Maru, I really don't understand why nobody but Serral is mentioned for players that could beat Maru.


The logic behind is, that anyone could beat anyone at a given time under special circumstances. That is, why I wrote BETTER and not BEAT. I mean Neeb did beat TY and Showtime did beat Dark, but I highly doubt they are the better players, if you catch my drift

Edit: tl;dr: what Fango above me said
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6916 Posts
October 31 2018 14:23 GMT
#83
On October 31 2018 22:02 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:
I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way:

People that COULD be better than Serral:

- Maru
- TY
- Stats (arguable)
- Rogue (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Serral:
- Every Non-Korean
- Every Korean not at Blizzcon
- SoS
- Zest
- Dark (arguable)
- Classic

That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world

Now Maru's list is easier:

People that COULD be better than Maru:

- Serral (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Maru:

- Everyone else

Discuss!

EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago


depends how you mean it. Head to head - I would rate soO higher than Serral even now in his slumpy year. Generally - soO has fallen way too low in his non ZvZ MU. But maybe I'm a fanboy


Could possibly add soO but his "recent" results are more than dissapointing. We all know how fast the SC2 world spins and how champions of yesterday don't even make the qualifiers of tomorrow. That's why I left him out and why I edited my original post with the clarification
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 31 2018 14:39 GMT
#84
On October 31 2018 23:10 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 21:28 Musicus wrote:
On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:
I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way:

People that COULD be better than Serral:

- Maru
- TY
- Stats (arguable)
- Rogue (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Serral:
- Every Non-Korean
- Every Korean not at Blizzcon
- SoS
- Zest
- Dark (arguable)
- Classic

That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world

Now Maru's list is easier:

People that COULD be better than Maru:

- Serral (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Maru:

- Everyone else

Discuss!

EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago


Stats beat Maru but could not arguably be better than Maru.
Stats lost to Serral but could arguably be better than Serral. Explain your logic please.

sOs also beat Maru, I really don't understand why nobody but Serral is mentioned for players that could beat Maru.


The logic behind is, that anyone could beat anyone at a given time under special circumstances. That is, why I wrote BETTER and not BEAT. I mean Neeb did beat TY and Showtime did beat Dark, but I highly doubt they are the better players, if you catch my drift

Edit: tl;dr: what Fango above me said


It is really surprising to me that this isn't just common sense honestly, people get so offended over these statements :D
Actual haters on both sides ofc, but not everyone who doesn't just accept serral as the absolute best, unbeatable force takes a lot of flak as well.
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Damnight
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany222 Posts
October 31 2018 15:17 GMT
#85
What’s perhaps most important is that thanks to some good ol’ RNG the Maru versus Serral dream final remains a possibility.


I'm pretty sure they said that they were seeded at the opposite side of the bracket.

Other than that, while I agree that sOs looked the shakiest out of all of the top 8s, I don't think Special deserves rank 7. The way he was moving his units looked highly alert and precise. If he goes in confident I think he can dismantle Stats who looked like he was going through the motions.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-31 19:09:41
October 31 2018 19:08 GMT
#86
On October 31 2018 23:10 Harris1st wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2018 21:28 Musicus wrote:
On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:
I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way:

People that COULD be better than Serral:

- Maru
- TY
- Stats (arguable)
- Rogue (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Serral:
- Every Non-Korean
- Every Korean not at Blizzcon
- SoS
- Zest
- Dark (arguable)
- Classic

That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world

Now Maru's list is easier:

People that COULD be better than Maru:

- Serral (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Maru:

- Everyone else

Discuss!

EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago


Stats beat Maru but could not arguably be better than Maru.
Stats lost to Serral but could arguably be better than Serral. Explain your logic please.

sOs also beat Maru, I really don't understand why nobody but Serral is mentioned for players that could beat Maru.


The logic behind is, that anyone could beat anyone at a given time under special circumstances. That is, why I wrote BETTER and not BEAT. I mean Neeb did beat TY and Showtime did beat Dark, but I highly doubt they are the better players, if you catch my drift

Edit: tl;dr: what Fango above me said

Wait, are we talking about who is better right now at BlizzCon or who is better over the whole year.

So yeah, over the year I think Maru and Serral are in their own league. But if we look at now and the players who are left at BlizzCon I think Serral could fall to Maru, TY and Stats and Maru could fall to sOs, Stats and TY, Rogue and Serral.

Maru has shown to be comparatively weaker at weekend tournaments than in GSL.

Not necessarily Maru's fault. I feel like Zerg is the best race for weekend tournaments, Terran the best for drawn out leagues.

We'll know afterwards I guess, but I am still rooting for a pure Splyce TY vs Stats final anway .

TY beating Serral and Stats beating Maru is not that unrealistic imo and would be the dream!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
stevemachine17
Profile Joined April 2017
45 Posts
October 31 2018 20:36 GMT
#87
I agree with these rankings 100%, I am cheering for serral to win it all!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33360 Posts
October 31 2018 20:44 GMT
#88
As a fan I'd really love for sOs to win, but I think ambling past Zest was the extent of his magic for this year.
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Darth Caedus
Profile Joined May 2011
United States326 Posts
November 03 2018 03:42 GMT
#89
lol
Polt: "Those auto-turrets are cute." 10/26/13 commenting on MMA vs. Maru.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
November 03 2018 06:01 GMT
#90
On November 01 2018 05:44 Waxangel wrote:
As a fan I'd really love for sOs to win, but I think ambling past Zest was the extent of his magic for this year.


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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
November 04 2018 02:52 GMT
#91
Hmmm
I guess next power rank will be Serral on the top while Rogue is above Maru for the first time.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-04 03:50:00
November 04 2018 03:49 GMT
#92
On November 04 2018 11:52 swarminfestor wrote:
Hmmm
I guess next power rank will be Serral on the top while Rogue is above Maru for the first time.

Probably Serral Stats Maru Rogue, with stats and Maru interchangeable
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4906 Posts
November 04 2018 09:44 GMT
#93
the big problem is that now we need to wait until next korean vs foreigners clash to see if serral keeps the pace,

REMOVE REGIONLOCK
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
November 04 2018 12:31 GMT
#94
On November 04 2018 12:49 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 11:52 swarminfestor wrote:
Hmmm
I guess next power rank will be Serral on the top while Rogue is above Maru for the first time.

Probably Serral Stats Maru Rogue, with stats and Maru interchangeable


I would put Rogue above Maru this time. Yes, Maru did beat Rogue few times before. But, Maru was not in good shape in this Blizzcon tournament after all.
Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 04 2018 12:32 GMT
#95
On November 04 2018 18:44 Argonauta wrote:
the big problem is that now we need to wait until next korean vs foreigners clash to see if serral keeps the pace,

REMOVE REGIONLOCK

Hey, don't forget about HSC in not even 3 weeks!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
November 04 2018 12:40 GMT
#96
On November 04 2018 21:32 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 18:44 Argonauta wrote:
the big problem is that now we need to wait until next korean vs foreigners clash to see if serral keeps the pace,

REMOVE REGIONLOCK

Hey, don't forget about HSC in not even 3 weeks!


Do we know which Koreans (other than InNovation) are going ?
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15928 Posts
November 04 2018 12:55 GMT
#97
On November 04 2018 21:31 swarminfestor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 12:49 Pandain wrote:
On November 04 2018 11:52 swarminfestor wrote:
Hmmm
I guess next power rank will be Serral on the top while Rogue is above Maru for the first time.

Probably Serral Stats Maru Rogue, with stats and Maru interchangeable


I would put Rogue above Maru this time. Yes, Maru did beat Rogue few times before. But, Maru was not in good shape in this Blizzcon tournament after all.

Why would Rogue be above Maru? He advanced 1 round further than him while having very poor results the months before? Serral - Stats - Maru - sOs. sOs made ro4 like Rogue and got to the finals in the super tournament.
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swarminfestor
Profile Joined September 2017
Malaysia2449 Posts
November 04 2018 13:31 GMT
#98
On November 04 2018 21:55 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 21:31 swarminfestor wrote:
On November 04 2018 12:49 Pandain wrote:
On November 04 2018 11:52 swarminfestor wrote:
Hmmm
I guess next power rank will be Serral on the top while Rogue is above Maru for the first time.

Probably Serral Stats Maru Rogue, with stats and Maru interchangeable


I would put Rogue above Maru this time. Yes, Maru did beat Rogue few times before. But, Maru was not in good shape in this Blizzcon tournament after all.

Why would Rogue be above Maru? He advanced 1 round further than him while having very poor results the months before? Serral - Stats - Maru - sOs. sOs made ro4 like Rogue and got to the finals in the super tournament.


The neXt power ranking is for November's performances.

Rogue & Maru fan boy. ^^
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