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On October 31 2018 21:28 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way: People that COULD be better than Serral: - Maru - TY - Stats (arguable) - Rogue (arguable) People that are NOT better than Serral: - Every Non-Korean - Every Korean not at Blizzcon - SoS - Zest - Dark (arguable) - Classic That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world Now Maru's list is easier: People that COULD be better than Maru: - Serral (arguable) People that are NOT better than Maru: - Everyone else Discuss!  EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago Stats beat Maru but could not arguably be better than Maru. Stats lost to Serral but could arguably be better than Serral. Explain your logic please. sOs also beat Maru, I really don't understand why nobody but Serral is mentioned for players that could beat Maru.
Because h2h matches alone don't decide who's better. The guy was talking about who's better, not who could beat who. Maru has had better results than Stats by a big margin. He has better results than sOs by a massive margin.
The gap between Stats and Serral (in terms of results) isn't clear. They've both won a single tournament (with koreans) and made a couple top 4s in others.
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On October 31 2018 21:28 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way: People that COULD be better than Serral: - Maru - TY - Stats (arguable) - Rogue (arguable) People that are NOT better than Serral: - Every Non-Korean - Every Korean not at Blizzcon - SoS - Zest - Dark (arguable) - Classic That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world Now Maru's list is easier: People that COULD be better than Maru: - Serral (arguable) People that are NOT better than Maru: - Everyone else Discuss! EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago Stats beat Maru but could not arguably be better than Maru. Stats lost to Serral but could arguably be better than Serral. Explain your logic please. sOs also beat Maru, I really don't understand why nobody but Serral is mentioned for players that could beat Maru.
The logic behind is, that anyone could beat anyone at a given time under special circumstances. That is, why I wrote BETTER and not BEAT. I mean Neeb did beat TY and Showtime did beat Dark, but I highly doubt they are the better players, if you catch my drift
Edit: tl;dr: what Fango above me said
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On October 31 2018 22:02 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way: People that COULD be better than Serral: - Maru - TY - Stats (arguable) - Rogue (arguable) People that are NOT better than Serral: - Every Non-Korean - Every Korean not at Blizzcon - SoS - Zest - Dark (arguable) - Classic That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world Now Maru's list is easier: People that COULD be better than Maru: - Serral (arguable) People that are NOT better than Maru: - Everyone else Discuss! EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago depends how you mean it. Head to head - I would rate soO higher than Serral even now in his slumpy year. Generally - soO has fallen way too low in his non ZvZ MU. But maybe I'm a fanboy 
Could possibly add soO but his "recent" results are more than dissapointing. We all know how fast the SC2 world spins and how champions of yesterday don't even make the qualifiers of tomorrow. That's why I left him out and why I edited my original post with the clarification
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On October 31 2018 23:10 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 21:28 Musicus wrote:On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way: People that COULD be better than Serral: - Maru - TY - Stats (arguable) - Rogue (arguable) People that are NOT better than Serral: - Every Non-Korean - Every Korean not at Blizzcon - SoS - Zest - Dark (arguable) - Classic That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world Now Maru's list is easier: People that COULD be better than Maru: - Serral (arguable) People that are NOT better than Maru: - Everyone else Discuss! EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago Stats beat Maru but could not arguably be better than Maru. Stats lost to Serral but could arguably be better than Serral. Explain your logic please. sOs also beat Maru, I really don't understand why nobody but Serral is mentioned for players that could beat Maru. The logic behind is, that anyone could beat anyone at a given time under special circumstances. That is, why I wrote BETTER and not BEAT. I mean Neeb did beat TY and Showtime did beat Dark, but I highly doubt they are the better players, if you catch my drift Edit: tl;dr: what Fango above me said
It is really surprising to me that this isn't just common sense honestly, people get so offended over these statements :D
Actual haters on both sides ofc, but not everyone who doesn't just accept serral as the absolute best, unbeatable force takes a lot of flak as well.
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What’s perhaps most important is that thanks to some good ol’ RNG the Maru versus Serral dream final remains a possibility.
I'm pretty sure they said that they were seeded at the opposite side of the bracket.
Other than that, while I agree that sOs looked the shakiest out of all of the top 8s, I don't think Special deserves rank 7. The way he was moving his units looked highly alert and precise. If he goes in confident I think he can dismantle Stats who looked like he was going through the motions.
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On October 31 2018 23:10 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2018 21:28 Musicus wrote:On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way: People that COULD be better than Serral: - Maru - TY - Stats (arguable) - Rogue (arguable) People that are NOT better than Serral: - Every Non-Korean - Every Korean not at Blizzcon - SoS - Zest - Dark (arguable) - Classic That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world Now Maru's list is easier: People that COULD be better than Maru: - Serral (arguable) People that are NOT better than Maru: - Everyone else Discuss! EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago Stats beat Maru but could not arguably be better than Maru. Stats lost to Serral but could arguably be better than Serral. Explain your logic please. sOs also beat Maru, I really don't understand why nobody but Serral is mentioned for players that could beat Maru. The logic behind is, that anyone could beat anyone at a given time under special circumstances. That is, why I wrote BETTER and not BEAT. I mean Neeb did beat TY and Showtime did beat Dark, but I highly doubt they are the better players, if you catch my drift Edit: tl;dr: what Fango above me said
Wait, are we talking about who is better right now at BlizzCon or who is better over the whole year.
So yeah, over the year I think Maru and Serral are in their own league. But if we look at now and the players who are left at BlizzCon I think Serral could fall to Maru, TY and Stats and Maru could fall to sOs, Stats and TY, Rogue and Serral.
Maru has shown to be comparatively weaker at weekend tournaments than in GSL.
Not necessarily Maru's fault. I feel like Zerg is the best race for weekend tournaments, Terran the best for drawn out leagues.
We'll know afterwards I guess, but I am still rooting for a pure Splyce TY vs Stats final anway  .
TY beating Serral and Stats beating Maru is not that unrealistic imo and would be the dream!
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I agree with these rankings 100%, I am cheering for serral to win it all!
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As a fan I'd really love for sOs to win, but I think ambling past Zest was the extent of his magic for this year.
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On November 01 2018 05:44 Waxangel wrote:
As a fan I'd really love for sOs to win, but I think ambling past Zest was the extent of his magic for this year.
I dunno Kev
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Hmmm
I guess next power rank will be Serral on the top while Rogue is above Maru for the first time.
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On November 04 2018 11:52 swarminfestor wrote:
Hmmm
I guess next power rank will be Serral on the top while Rogue is above Maru for the first time.
Probably Serral Stats Maru Rogue, with stats and Maru interchangeable
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the big problem is that now we need to wait until next korean vs foreigners clash to see if serral keeps the pace,
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On November 04 2018 12:49 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 11:52 swarminfestor wrote:
Hmmm
I guess next power rank will be Serral on the top while Rogue is above Maru for the first time. Probably Serral Stats Maru Rogue, with stats and Maru interchangeable
I would put Rogue above Maru this time. Yes, Maru did beat Rogue few times before. But, Maru was not in good shape in this Blizzcon tournament after all.
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On November 04 2018 18:44 Argonauta wrote:
the big problem is that now we need to wait until next korean vs foreigners clash to see if serral keeps the pace,
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Hey, don't forget about HSC in not even 3 weeks!
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On November 04 2018 21:32 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 18:44 Argonauta wrote:
the big problem is that now we need to wait until next korean vs foreigners clash to see if serral keeps the pace,
REMOVE REGIONLOCK Hey, don't forget about HSC in not even 3 weeks!
Do we know which Koreans (other than InNovation) are going ?
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On November 04 2018 21:31 swarminfestor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 12:49 Pandain wrote:On November 04 2018 11:52 swarminfestor wrote:
Hmmm
I guess next power rank will be Serral on the top while Rogue is above Maru for the first time. Probably Serral Stats Maru Rogue, with stats and Maru interchangeable I would put Rogue above Maru this time. Yes, Maru did beat Rogue few times before. But, Maru was not in good shape in this Blizzcon tournament after all.
Why would Rogue be above Maru? He advanced 1 round further than him while having very poor results the months before? Serral - Stats - Maru - sOs. sOs made ro4 like Rogue and got to the finals in the super tournament.
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On November 04 2018 21:55 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2018 21:31 swarminfestor wrote:On November 04 2018 12:49 Pandain wrote:On November 04 2018 11:52 swarminfestor wrote:
Hmmm
I guess next power rank will be Serral on the top while Rogue is above Maru for the first time. Probably Serral Stats Maru Rogue, with stats and Maru interchangeable I would put Rogue above Maru this time. Yes, Maru did beat Rogue few times before. But, Maru was not in good shape in this Blizzcon tournament after all. Why would Rogue be above Maru? He advanced 1 round further than him while having very poor results the months before? Serral - Stats - Maru - sOs. sOs made ro4 like Rogue and got to the finals in the super tournament.
The neXt power ranking is for November's performances.
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