I am surprised people still not realize group performance means nothing in Blizzcon play-off

Remember? when ByuN lost 0-2 to ShoWTimE in 2016 and Rogue lost 1-2 to Neeb in 2017 group stages? Guess what, they were the champions, and although ShoWTimE managed to win 4-0 against 2 Koreans in group stage, he still lost 1-3 to Elazer in ro8 right away. Dark in interview said he was sick in day 1, and a lot of pros had bad conditions too. So, I believe the performances would be totally different since Blizzcon is 1 week after the group stages.

Ograkk

Sweden22 Posts

October 29 2018 21:25 GMT

#43

Sad thing is that I think Dark beats Serral in an underwhelming serie, 3-1

fishjie

United States1519 Posts

October 29 2018 21:34 GMT

#44

On October 30 2018 06:03 Dave4 wrote:

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Please don't associate me with that particular human.

i am almost certain you are a rodya alt, so you could spew the exact same hyperbole in the opposite direction, just so that you can then log in as rodya and rant against it.

until they remove region lock, special and neeb are the true badasses who have gone toe to toe in korea with the best day in and day out and advanced far in the gsl, with reynor getting special mention.

Dave4

494 Posts

October 29 2018 21:54 GMT

#45

On October 30 2018 06:34 fishjie wrote:

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Nonsense. The mods would not allow this as they can see IP addresses

kokoki

4 Posts

October 29 2018 22:14 GMT

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kokoki

4 Posts

October 29 2018 22:16 GMT

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fronkschnonk

Germany622 Posts

October 29 2018 22:21 GMT

#48

This power rank may be talking mostly about the group stage performances but it is nowhere said that the power rank is based solely on them. This would be a dumb thing to do because you can't read very much out of 2 or 3 matches of a player. Thus it's perfectly fine that Maru is still considered first.

Special's performance surely was impressive but his wins aren't so much more prestigeous than TY's. Neeb and Rogue are on par at least but given Rogue's recent performances (including getting beaten by Neeb in GSL) I would give Neeb an edge. Classic also was quite volatile the entire year which he showed again vs Rogue. Nerchio and Lambo are of comparable calibre. So in the end I don't think that Special's run was more impressive. His games obviously looked cooler but I wouldn't take that into account too much.

tennisl

United Kingdom44 Posts

October 29 2018 23:54 GMT

#49

Rogue should be higher than Stats. He is going to win Blizzcon again I believe

ThunderJunk

United States677 Posts

October 30 2018 00:12 GMT

#50

Ironically, if it was anyone besides Maru, I would discount sOs's chances. But the last time the two of them played, sOs made Maru look like a monkey.

Serral is looking terrifying, but then Dark wanted Serral.

And Stats is the one player that won't change his play very much against the strange Mexican stylings of Special.

The bracket turned out to be the most chaotic possible bracket. I'm seriously hyped to see how this all plays out.

Cricketer12

United States13974 Posts

October 30 2018 00:22 GMT

#51

On October 30 2018 08:54 tennisl wrote:
Rogue should be higher than Stats. He is going to win Blizzcon again I believe

Hard to do that considering Stats beats Dark in the finals

Z3nith

485 Posts

October 30 2018 00:48 GMT

#52

On October 30 2018 08:54 tennisl wrote:
Rogue should be higher than Stats. He is going to win Blizzcon again I believe

I'm sorry what? Rogue literally can't be placed over Stats due to the way this power ranking was structured. Stats went 4-0 against foreigners and Rogue went 4-1 against foreigners. Just because you "believe" he will win it again does not mean that he should be put above Stats.

Anc13nt

1557 Posts

October 30 2018 01:00 GMT

#53

I think Stats will knock out sOs in ro4. I feel like whenever someone looks like they will have a run of destiny, Stats often eliminates them before the finals.

Psychonian

United States2322 Posts

October 30 2018 04:06 GMT

#54

On October 30 2018 05:13 Dave4 wrote:
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Well, it finally happened.

I offered my services to improve this Power Rank multiple times to the writing team but was regrettably turned down. I knew that didn't bode well for them, but even I couldn't have predicted the shambles that is this Power Rank.

The team appears to have spent too long on their preview articles to properly undertake the full 16-man Power Rank prior to the event. Although I know that the Power Ranks are now timed on a monthly basis, this specific one is clearly about BlizzCon as only BlizzCon attendees have been included.

So we arrive at an 8-man Power Rank situation. The article clearly states that the rank is based on group performance.

This is of course an awkward way to rank because the 'best players' may not have had the hardest route, and had I been consulted professionally I would have advised against this method.

Nevertheless, going solely by group performance does make the ranking a straightforward and easy process. The players most dominant over the best opponents should clearly be ranked the highest.

Unfortunately, without my guidance this also seems to have gone awry.

Regardless of whether you agree that Serral is no.1 overall anyway, his 4-0 of sHy and Zest has to be more impressive than Maru's wins over Lambo and Neeb. This is near irrefutable, and given the criteria, clearly Serral should be rank 1.

In a similar vein, Major's stellar play to overcome Classic and barely lose to Rogue has to be superior to TY (barely overcame Neeb after losing the first set and dropped a map to Lambo) as well as Dark.

The correct Power Rank based on the given criteria is thus:

8. sHy
7. TY
6. Dark
5. Major
4. Rogue
3. Stats
2. Maru
1. Serral

Were the Power Rank to have occurred with my professional input in the correct pre-BlizzCon manner, it would have appeared thus:

16. Has
15. HeroMarine
14. Nerchio
13. Lambo
12. ShowTime
11. Major
10. Zest
9. Neeb
8. Rogue
7. sHy
6. Dark
5. TY
4. Stats
3. Classic
1. Maru (joint)
1. Serral (joint)

I legitimately can't tell if this is a troll

nadavu

44 Posts

October 30 2018 05:34 GMT

#55

The RNG had nothing to do with Serral and Maru being placed on different sides of the bracket; they were seeded. Watch the video, for Pete's sake.

Acrofales

Spain17979 Posts

October 30 2018 07:57 GMT

#56

What’s perhaps most important is that thanks to some good ol’ RNG the Maru versus Serral dream final remains a possibility.

Well played!

Also, special deserves to be higher. TY and mb even Dark looked pretty bad, whereas juan showcased some very special games!

RealityTheGreat

China564 Posts

October 30 2018 07:57 GMT

#57

the best games of Sept?

[F_]aths

Germany3947 Posts

October 30 2018 08:17 GMT

#58

I need the finals being Serral vs Maru in order to complete the 2018 story.

Two players, each dominating his region. The bracket allows for this finals. Hopefully it happens.

CakeSauc3

United States1437 Posts

October 30 2018 08:36 GMT

#59

Silly TL writers, you placed sOs 7 places too low

sneakyfox

8216 Posts

October 30 2018 09:59 GMT

#60

Funny how you can write

On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Our criteria this time are simple. We rank the eight players in the quarterfinals by their performance in the group stage.

...and then still say that

On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks.

I think everybody can see how the ranking is just a continuation of the previous ones with the the usual TL Staff favourites at the top