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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12795 Posts
October 30 2018 10:02 GMT
#61
On October 30 2018 18:59 sneakyfox wrote:
Funny how you can write

Show nested quote +
On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Our criteria this time are simple. We rank the eight players in the quarterfinals by their performance in the group stage.


...and then still say that

Show nested quote +
On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks.


I think everybody can see how the ranking is just a continuation of the previous ones with the the usual TL Staff favourites at the top

Otherwise, Stats would top it, as he was most impressive in the group stage. Or, at least more impressive than Maru.

He beat Has and ShoWTimE, how is that more impressive than Lambo and Neeb?
WriterMaru
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
October 30 2018 10:07 GMT
#62
On October 30 2018 19:02 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 18:59 sneakyfox wrote:
Funny how you can write

On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Our criteria this time are simple. We rank the eight players in the quarterfinals by their performance in the group stage.


...and then still say that

On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks.


I think everybody can see how the ranking is just a continuation of the previous ones with the the usual TL Staff favourites at the top

Otherwise, Stats would top it, as he was most impressive in the group stage. Or, at least more impressive than Maru.

He beat Has and ShoWTimE, how is that more impressive than Lambo and Neeb?


I'd still say it's a bit better considering Showtime's form, but yeah okay.

But Serral's was definitely more impressive than Maru's.
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12795 Posts
October 30 2018 10:13 GMT
#63
On October 30 2018 19:07 sneakyfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 19:02 Poopi wrote:
On October 30 2018 18:59 sneakyfox wrote:
Funny how you can write

On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Our criteria this time are simple. We rank the eight players in the quarterfinals by their performance in the group stage.


...and then still say that

On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks.


I think everybody can see how the ranking is just a continuation of the previous ones with the the usual TL Staff favourites at the top

Otherwise, Stats would top it, as he was most impressive in the group stage. Or, at least more impressive than Maru.

He beat Has and ShoWTimE, how is that more impressive than Lambo and Neeb?


I'd still say it's a bit better considering Showtime's form, but yeah okay.

But Serral's was definitely more impressive than Maru's.

sOs played really badly and Zest has bad PvZ so not really, arguable.
WriterMaru
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-30 13:48:41
October 30 2018 11:09 GMT
#64
On October 30 2018 19:13 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 19:07 sneakyfox wrote:
On October 30 2018 19:02 Poopi wrote:
On October 30 2018 18:59 sneakyfox wrote:
Funny how you can write

On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Our criteria this time are simple. We rank the eight players in the quarterfinals by their performance in the group stage.


...and then still say that

On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks.


I think everybody can see how the ranking is just a continuation of the previous ones with the the usual TL Staff favourites at the top

Otherwise, Stats would top it, as he was most impressive in the group stage. Or, at least more impressive than Maru.

He beat Has and ShoWTimE, how is that more impressive than Lambo and Neeb?


I'd still say it's a bit better considering Showtime's form, but yeah okay.

But Serral's was definitely more impressive than Maru's.

sOs played really badly and Zest has bad PvZ so not really, arguable.

Not arguable...



User was temp banned for this post.
jarodtou
Profile Joined July 2016
167 Posts
October 30 2018 12:59 GMT
#65
I think Maru vs SoS is 51-49%.. and SoS defeated Maru last time they meet.
Also special has a good shot agains Stats, even if stats is clearly the favorite.
Serral vs Dark is so close to 50-50. Saying that Serral beat Dark 3-1 and that he has 23-3 in ZvZ this year means nothing (even if eu zergs are "best" zergs). The serries will be really close and I think Serral will win, but in a really close 3-2 series.
Rogue vs Ty is also an awesome draw. TvZ of the best of the best is always a great thing for us viewer. I would still give an edge here to TY, even if he looked scrappy, Rogue is far from what he was 9-10 months ago. Really, he has no results in the last 6 month, Artosis is the only one hyping him, but he showed nothing impressive.

That said I`m really happy with the drawings and I thing that really.. everybody can advance.
Heart Major-Serral finals.
Head Maru(stats)-Serral(TY)
tilhorizon
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany191 Posts
October 30 2018 13:01 GMT
#66
sorry but this powerrank is just bias but not objectiv

for example serral was clearly in the lead on every time in his games
maru was not you cant deny that fact if you watched the games objectively
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary474 Posts
October 30 2018 17:03 GMT
#67
On October 30 2018 22:01 tilhorizon wrote:
sorry but this powerrank is just bias but not objectiv

for example serral was clearly in the lead on every time in his games
maru was not you cant deny that fact if you watched the games objectively


but if you watched the games objectively sOs and Zest played really disappointing. At least i'd expect a lot more from multiple GSL and Blizzcon winners.
Why so serious?
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 30 2018 18:32 GMT
#68
On October 30 2018 21:59 jarodtou wrote:
I think Maru vs SoS is 51-49%.. and SoS defeated Maru last time they meet.
Also special has a good shot agains Stats, even if stats is clearly the favorite.
Serral vs Dark is so close to 50-50. Saying that Serral beat Dark 3-1 and that he has 23-3 in ZvZ this year means nothing (even if eu zergs are "best" zergs). The serries will be really close and I think Serral will win, but in a really close 3-2 series.
Rogue vs Ty is also an awesome draw. TvZ of the best of the best is always a great thing for us viewer. I would still give an edge here to TY, even if he looked scrappy, Rogue is far from what he was 9-10 months ago. Really, he has no results in the last 6 month, Artosis is the only one hyping him, but he showed nothing impressive.

That said I`m really happy with the drawings and I thing that really.. everybody can advance.
Heart Major-Serral finals.
Head Maru(stats)-Serral(TY)

The last time they met everyone prepared to kill everything that's not sOs so sOs is at Blizzcon

But it's a teamkill, everything is possible.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
October 30 2018 20:31 GMT
#69
Special representing Mexico at the highest of levels.

Keep it up Juan :')
Die Trying
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2517 Posts
October 30 2018 20:32 GMT
#70
Maybe you could switch TY and Special but other than that, the list is pretty much on point.
narusensei22
Profile Joined October 2018
31 Posts
October 30 2018 22:44 GMT
#71
On October 30 2018 20:09 Dave4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 19:13 Poopi wrote:
On October 30 2018 19:07 sneakyfox wrote:
On October 30 2018 19:02 Poopi wrote:
On October 30 2018 18:59 sneakyfox wrote:
Funny how you can write

On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Our criteria this time are simple. We rank the eight players in the quarterfinals by their performance in the group stage.


...and then still say that

On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks.


I think everybody can see how the ranking is just a continuation of the previous ones with the the usual TL Staff favourites at the top

Otherwise, Stats would top it, as he was most impressive in the group stage. Or, at least more impressive than Maru.

He beat Has and ShoWTimE, how is that more impressive than Lambo and Neeb?


I'd still say it's a bit better considering Showtime's form, but yeah okay.

But Serral's was definitely more impressive than Maru's.

sOs played really badly and Zest has bad PvZ so not really, arguable.

Not arguable...



User was temp banned for this post.



Perfect. Anyone with this kind of biased and rude thread should be punished for clean community.

Btw, I am really looking forward to see what result gonna be :D

I predict sOs or Rogue taking the trophy.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
October 31 2018 03:25 GMT
#72
On October 31 2018 05:31 alukarD wrote:
Special representing Mexico at the highest of levels.

Keep it up Juan :')


Sim! Desculpe...eu solamente entendendo portugues lol but yes I love seeing Latin America make a stand!
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
October 31 2018 06:46 GMT
#73
SERRRRRAL! Going for that gold, you can do it! One more championship, and you'll steal the crown from Maru and be the GOAT!

Eight years of StarCraft 2, and I'm as pumped now as I was when JD almost won the world finals.

Serral, believe in yourself and you'll be invincible! Show Maru why you're the best!
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
October 31 2018 08:27 GMT
#74
i am rooting for Serral the nazi'general but i also want protoss wins this year blizzcon

User was temp banned for this post.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany6916 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-31 09:57:17
October 31 2018 09:54 GMT
#75
I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way:

People that COULD be better than Serral:

- Maru
- TY
- Stats (arguable)
- Rogue (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Serral:
- Every Non-Korean
- Every Korean not at Blizzcon
- SoS
- Zest
- Dark (arguable)
- Classic

That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world

Now Maru's list is easier:

People that COULD be better than Maru:

- Serral (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Maru:

- Everyone else

Discuss!

EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago

Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12795 Posts
October 31 2018 09:59 GMT
#76
Something something Dark beats Serral
WriterMaru
huktillidie
Profile Joined October 2014
Norway9 Posts
October 31 2018 12:11 GMT
#77
Photo: Jussi Jääskeläinen. Fantastic goalkeeper!
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 31 2018 12:28 GMT
#78
On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:
I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way:

People that COULD be better than Serral:

- Maru
- TY
- Stats (arguable)
- Rogue (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Serral:
- Every Non-Korean
- Every Korean not at Blizzcon
- SoS
- Zest
- Dark (arguable)
- Classic

That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world

Now Maru's list is easier:

People that COULD be better than Maru:

- Serral (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Maru:

- Everyone else

Discuss!

EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago


Stats beat Maru but could not arguably be better than Maru.
Stats lost to Serral but could arguably be better than Serral. Explain your logic please.

sOs also beat Maru, I really don't understand why nobody but Serral is mentioned for players that could beat Maru.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Tempest
Profile Joined October 2015
United States147 Posts
October 31 2018 12:55 GMT
#79
On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:
I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way:

People that COULD be better than Serral:

- Maru
- TY
- Stats (arguable)
- Rogue (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Serral:
- Every Non-Korean
- Every Korean not at Blizzcon
- SoS
- Zest
- Dark (arguable)
- Classic

That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world

Now Maru's list is easier:

People that COULD be better than Maru:

- Serral (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Maru:

- Everyone else

Discuss!

EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago



Even though he didn't make blizzcon, I would include soo in the list of people that could be better than serral, and stats 100% could be better than maru.

The thing is (and this isn't necessarily a problem) we are so damn focused on Results/tournaments won and not straight skill at the game, which to be fair is hard to accurately measure. When Serral beat stats in GSL vs World, yes he came out on top, but it was a FANTASTICALLY close series, that could have gone either way. When Maru beat TY in GSL S3 championship, he was literally 2 units away from losing the last game, which would have crowned TY the victor in the decider match. We do our best to account for volatility by having games be larger sample size of Bo7, but the truth is the three (by most peoples standards) best players in the world with each race are Maru, Stats, and Serral respectively, and more likely than not, if each of them played a best of 99 with each other in each matchup, we would probably have maybe a 5-10 point difference in the end. They are just so close in skill to each other its hard to say one of them is definitively better than the other one just by a Bo7. Any of them could take multiple games in a row off of each other in a Bo X series, when in reality it would probably end up evened up towards the end of a larger sample size.
Quick, think of some pithy cliche and toss it here
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
October 31 2018 13:02 GMT
#80
On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:
I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way:

People that COULD be better than Serral:

- Maru
- TY
- Stats (arguable)
- Rogue (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Serral:
- Every Non-Korean
- Every Korean not at Blizzcon
- SoS
- Zest
- Dark (arguable)
- Classic

That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world

Now Maru's list is easier:

People that COULD be better than Maru:

- Serral (arguable)

People that are NOT better than Maru:

- Everyone else

Discuss!

EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago


depends how you mean it. Head to head - I would rate soO higher than Serral even now in his slumpy year. Generally - soO has fallen way too low in his non ZvZ MU. But maybe I'm a fanboy
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
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