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On October 30 2018 18:59 sneakyfox wrote:Funny how you can write Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Our criteria this time are simple. We rank the eight players in the quarterfinals by their performance in the group stage.
...and then still say that Show nested quote +On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks. I think everybody can see how the ranking is just a continuation of the previous ones with the the usual TL Staff favourites at the top  Otherwise, Stats would top it, as he was most impressive in the group stage. Or, at least more impressive than Maru.
He beat Has and ShoWTimE, how is that more impressive than Lambo and Neeb?
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On October 30 2018 19:02 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 18:59 sneakyfox wrote:Funny how you can write On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Our criteria this time are simple. We rank the eight players in the quarterfinals by their performance in the group stage.
...and then still say that On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks. I think everybody can see how the ranking is just a continuation of the previous ones with the the usual TL Staff favourites at the top Otherwise, Stats would top it, as he was most impressive in the group stage. Or, at least more impressive than Maru. He beat Has and ShoWTimE, how is that more impressive than Lambo and Neeb?
I'd still say it's a bit better considering Showtime's form, but yeah okay.
But Serral's was definitely more impressive than Maru's.
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On October 30 2018 19:07 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 19:02 Poopi wrote:On October 30 2018 18:59 sneakyfox wrote:Funny how you can write On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Our criteria this time are simple. We rank the eight players in the quarterfinals by their performance in the group stage.
...and then still say that On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks. I think everybody can see how the ranking is just a continuation of the previous ones with the the usual TL Staff favourites at the top Otherwise, Stats would top it, as he was most impressive in the group stage. Or, at least more impressive than Maru. He beat Has and ShoWTimE, how is that more impressive than Lambo and Neeb? I'd still say it's a bit better considering Showtime's form, but yeah okay. But Serral's was definitely more impressive than Maru's.
sOs played really badly and Zest has bad PvZ so not really, arguable.
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On October 30 2018 19:13 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 19:07 sneakyfox wrote:On October 30 2018 19:02 Poopi wrote:On October 30 2018 18:59 sneakyfox wrote:Funny how you can write On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Our criteria this time are simple. We rank the eight players in the quarterfinals by their performance in the group stage.
...and then still say that On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks. I think everybody can see how the ranking is just a continuation of the previous ones with the the usual TL Staff favourites at the top Otherwise, Stats would top it, as he was most impressive in the group stage. Or, at least more impressive than Maru. He beat Has and ShoWTimE, how is that more impressive than Lambo and Neeb? I'd still say it's a bit better considering Showtime's form, but yeah okay. But Serral's was definitely more impressive than Maru's. sOs played really badly and Zest has bad PvZ so not really, arguable.
Not arguable...
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I think Maru vs SoS is 51-49%.. and SoS defeated Maru last time they meet.
Also special has a good shot agains Stats, even if stats is clearly the favorite.
Serral vs Dark is so close to 50-50. Saying that Serral beat Dark 3-1 and that he has 23-3 in ZvZ this year means nothing (even if eu zergs are "best" zergs). The serries will be really close and I think Serral will win, but in a really close 3-2 series.
Rogue vs Ty is also an awesome draw. TvZ of the best of the best is always a great thing for us viewer. I would still give an edge here to TY, even if he looked scrappy, Rogue is far from what he was 9-10 months ago. Really, he has no results in the last 6 month, Artosis is the only one hyping him, but he showed nothing impressive.
That said I`m really happy with the drawings and I thing that really.. everybody can advance.
Heart Major-Serral finals.
Head Maru(stats)-Serral(TY)
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sorry but this powerrank is just bias but not objectiv
for example serral was clearly in the lead on every time in his games
maru was not you cant deny that fact if you watched the games objectively
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On October 30 2018 22:01 tilhorizon wrote:
sorry but this powerrank is just bias but not objectiv
for example serral was clearly in the lead on every time in his games
maru was not you cant deny that fact if you watched the games objectively
but if you watched the games objectively sOs and Zest played really disappointing. At least i'd expect a lot more from multiple GSL and Blizzcon winners.
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On October 30 2018 21:59 jarodtou wrote:
I think Maru vs SoS is 51-49%.. and SoS defeated Maru last time they meet.
Also special has a good shot agains Stats, even if stats is clearly the favorite.
Serral vs Dark is so close to 50-50. Saying that Serral beat Dark 3-1 and that he has 23-3 in ZvZ this year means nothing (even if eu zergs are "best" zergs). The serries will be really close and I think Serral will win, but in a really close 3-2 series.
Rogue vs Ty is also an awesome draw. TvZ of the best of the best is always a great thing for us viewer. I would still give an edge here to TY, even if he looked scrappy, Rogue is far from what he was 9-10 months ago. Really, he has no results in the last 6 month, Artosis is the only one hyping him, but he showed nothing impressive.
That said I`m really happy with the drawings and I thing that really.. everybody can advance.
Heart Major-Serral finals.
Head Maru(stats)-Serral(TY)
The last time they met everyone prepared to kill everything that's not sOs so sOs is at Blizzcon 
But it's a teamkill, everything is possible.
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Special representing Mexico at the highest of levels.
Keep it up Juan :')
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Maybe you could switch TY and Special but other than that, the list is pretty much on point.
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On October 30 2018 20:09 Dave4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2018 19:13 Poopi wrote:On October 30 2018 19:07 sneakyfox wrote:On October 30 2018 19:02 Poopi wrote:On October 30 2018 18:59 sneakyfox wrote:Funny how you can write On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:Our criteria this time are simple. We rank the eight players in the quarterfinals by their performance in the group stage.
...and then still say that On October 29 2018 23:50 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks. I think everybody can see how the ranking is just a continuation of the previous ones with the the usual TL Staff favourites at the top Otherwise, Stats would top it, as he was most impressive in the group stage. Or, at least more impressive than Maru. He beat Has and ShoWTimE, how is that more impressive than Lambo and Neeb? I'd still say it's a bit better considering Showtime's form, but yeah okay. But Serral's was definitely more impressive than Maru's. sOs played really badly and Zest has bad PvZ so not really, arguable. Not arguable... User was temp banned for this post.
Perfect. Anyone with this kind of biased and rude thread should be punished for clean community.
Btw, I am really looking forward to see what result gonna be :D
I predict sOs or Rogue taking the trophy.
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On October 31 2018 05:31 alukarD wrote:
Special representing Mexico at the highest of levels.
Keep it up Juan :')
Sim! Desculpe...eu solamente entendendo portugues lol but yes I love seeing Latin America make a stand!
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SERRRRRAL! Going for that gold, you can do it! One more championship, and you'll steal the crown from Maru and be the GOAT!
Eight years of StarCraft 2, and I'm as pumped now as I was when JD almost won the world finals.
Serral, believe in yourself and you'll be invincible! Show Maru why you're the best!
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i am rooting for Serral the nazi'general but i also want protoss wins this year blizzcon
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I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way:
People that COULD be better than Serral:
- Maru
- TY
- Stats (arguable)
- Rogue (arguable)
People that are NOT better than Serral:
- Every Non-Korean
- Every Korean not at Blizzcon
- SoS
- Zest
- Dark (arguable)
- Classic
That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world
Now Maru's list is easier:
People that COULD be better than Maru:
- Serral (arguable)
People that are NOT better than Maru:
- Everyone else
Discuss!
EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago
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Something something Dark beats Serral
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Photo: Jussi Jääskeläinen. Fantastic goalkeeper!
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On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way: People that COULD be better than Serral: - Maru - TY - Stats (arguable) - Rogue (arguable) People that are NOT better than Serral: - Every Non-Korean - Every Korean not at Blizzcon - SoS - Zest - Dark (arguable) - Classic That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world Now Maru's list is easier: People that COULD be better than Maru: - Serral (arguable) People that are NOT better than Maru: - Everyone else Discuss! EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago
Stats beat Maru but could not arguably be better than Maru.
Stats lost to Serral but could arguably be better than Serral. Explain your logic please.
sOs also beat Maru, I really don't understand why nobody but Serral is mentioned for players that could beat Maru.
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On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way: People that COULD be better than Serral: - Maru - TY - Stats (arguable) - Rogue (arguable) People that are NOT better than Serral: - Every Non-Korean - Every Korean not at Blizzcon - SoS - Zest - Dark (arguable) - Classic That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world Now Maru's list is easier: People that COULD be better than Maru: - Serral (arguable) People that are NOT better than Maru: - Everyone else Discuss! EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago
Even though he didn't make blizzcon, I would include soo in the list of people that could be better than serral, and stats 100% could be better than maru.
The thing is (and this isn't necessarily a problem) we are so damn focused on Results/tournaments won and not straight skill at the game, which to be fair is hard to accurately measure. When Serral beat stats in GSL vs World, yes he came out on top, but it was a FANTASTICALLY close series, that could have gone either way. When Maru beat TY in GSL S3 championship, he was literally 2 units away from losing the last game, which would have crowned TY the victor in the decider match. We do our best to account for volatility by having games be larger sample size of Bo7, but the truth is the three (by most peoples standards) best players in the world with each race are Maru, Stats, and Serral respectively, and more likely than not, if each of them played a best of 99 with each other in each matchup, we would probably have maybe a 5-10 point difference in the end. They are just so close in skill to each other its hard to say one of them is definitively better than the other one just by a Bo7. Any of them could take multiple games in a row off of each other in a Bo X series, when in reality it would probably end up evened up towards the end of a larger sample size.
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On October 31 2018 18:54 Harris1st wrote:I would approach the whole "how good is Serral really" /power rank discussion another way: People that COULD be better than Serral: - Maru - TY - Stats (arguable) - Rogue (arguable) People that are NOT better than Serral: - Every Non-Korean - Every Korean not at Blizzcon - SoS - Zest - Dark (arguable) - Classic That would make Serral at least top 5, if not top 3 in the world Now Maru's list is easier: People that COULD be better than Maru: - Serral (arguable) People that are NOT better than Maru: - Everyone else Discuss! EDIT: To clarify: This is meant now, not 5 years from now or 5 years ago
depends how you mean it. Head to head - I would rate soO higher than Serral even now in his slumpy year. Generally - soO has fallen way too low in his non ZvZ MU. But maybe I'm a fanboy
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