• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 06:48
CET 12:48
KST 20:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45
StarCraft 2
General
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview
Tourneys
2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2152 users

Power Rank: BlizzCon - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
97 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 17:01:00
October 29 2018 16:59 GMT
#21
Sheeple PR

(P)sOs > (T)Maru
(P)Stats > (T)SpeCial
(Z)Rogue > (T)TY
(Z)Dark > (Z)Serral

(P)Stats > (P)sOs
(Z)Dark > (Z)Rogue

(P)Stats > (Z)Dark

1. Stats
2. Dark
3. sOs
4. Rogue
5. Serral
6. Special
7. TY
8. Maru
Chain 1 Arthalion Chain 2 Urgula Chain 3 Mululu Chain 4 Lukias
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
October 29 2018 17:09 GMT
#22
On October 30 2018 01:16 virpi wrote:
Whatever happens, it's another great run for Special. I really hope he at least survives one more round. His style is very entertaining and his work ethic almost unparalleled.

Maru vs. Serral in the finals would ofc be a dream come true.
If it happens, I predict >150k viewers.


Viewer count will mostly depend of is SC get a host from HOTS/HS/WOW/OW (We need to address the glaring lack of variety in Blizzard acronym choice), but yes Maru-Serral would probably be the best final viewership wise.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 17:15:30
October 29 2018 17:13 GMT
#23
On October 30 2018 02:09 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 01:16 virpi wrote:
Whatever happens, it's another great run for Special. I really hope he at least survives one more round. His style is very entertaining and his work ethic almost unparalleled.

Maru vs. Serral in the finals would ofc be a dream come true.
If it happens, I predict >150k viewers.


Viewer count will mostly depend of is SC get a host from HOTS/HS/WOW/OW (We need to address the glaring lack of variety in Blizzard acronym choice), but yes Maru-Serral would probably be the best final viewership wise.

Don't most of those have events running at the same time as WCS? The HotS, WoW, and OW finals are on at the same time as the WCS final I think.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 29 2018 17:15 GMT
#24
So it's official: Lambo + Neeb > sOs + Zest.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 17:26:34
October 29 2018 17:25 GMT
#25
I'd put Special above TY and Dark if we're basing it off of group performance. He took a game from Rogue and legit 2-0'd Classic (who's pretty good in PvT) without any BS.

Also, sOs is playing everybody. He's going to ascend to god mode in the playoffs. It's coming...
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
October 29 2018 17:27 GMT
#26
On October 30 2018 02:13 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 02:09 Nakajin wrote:
On October 30 2018 01:16 virpi wrote:
Whatever happens, it's another great run for Special. I really hope he at least survives one more round. His style is very entertaining and his work ethic almost unparalleled.

Maru vs. Serral in the finals would ofc be a dream come true.
If it happens, I predict >150k viewers.


Viewer count will mostly depend of is SC get a host from HOTS/HS/WOW/OW (We need to address the glaring lack of variety in Blizzard acronym choice), but yes Maru-Serral would probably be the best final viewership wise.

Don't most of those have events running at the same time as WCS? The HotS, WoW, and OW finals are on at the same time as the WCS final I think.


Depend on how long they run, sometime one finish before the other so they host the other stream. I seem to remember last year the OW grand final was the last one to finish and they got a host from every one else.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/9p6ufcB.jpg
Thomasmarkle
Profile Joined June 2011
United States85 Posts
October 29 2018 18:32 GMT
#27
fun fact: Every player that got 2nd in the group stage, lost their first series.
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
October 29 2018 18:37 GMT
#28
based on performance, Special should be 5th, otherwise good ranking.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
October 29 2018 19:00 GMT
#29
On October 30 2018 02:27 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 02:13 Fango wrote:
On October 30 2018 02:09 Nakajin wrote:
On October 30 2018 01:16 virpi wrote:
Whatever happens, it's another great run for Special. I really hope he at least survives one more round. His style is very entertaining and his work ethic almost unparalleled.

Maru vs. Serral in the finals would ofc be a dream come true.
If it happens, I predict >150k viewers.


Viewer count will mostly depend of is SC get a host from HOTS/HS/WOW/OW (We need to address the glaring lack of variety in Blizzard acronym choice), but yes Maru-Serral would probably be the best final viewership wise.

Don't most of those have events running at the same time as WCS? The HotS, WoW, and OW finals are on at the same time as the WCS final I think.


Depend on how long they run, sometime one finish before the other so they host the other stream. I seem to remember last year the OW grand final was the last one to finish and they got a host from every one else.

The sceduling isn't that great either. OW final should end first, but OW matches usually take longer than blizzard think. And sc2 matches are (nowadays) over in half the time.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 19:10:31
October 29 2018 19:10 GMT
#30
All eyes were on Serral as he faced off against recent Super Tournament, and two time BlizzCon champion sOs,

sOs did not win Super Tournament
Faker is the GOAT!
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
October 29 2018 19:12 GMT
#31
This ranking's fine, but it does a pretty poor job of adhering to the criterion of measuring "their performance in the group stage".

Maru, Serral and Stats all looked pretty flawless, but just due to their opponents Serral should be first for example. And Special should be higher if you were just judging by group stage performance.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
October 29 2018 19:20 GMT
#32
On October 30 2018 04:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
This ranking's fine, but it does a pretty poor job of adhering to the criterion of measuring "their performance in the group stage".

Maru, Serral and Stats all looked pretty flawless, but just due to their opponents Serral should be first for example. And Special should be higher if you were just judging by group stage performance.

Yeah, if that was the only criterion SpeCial should be 5th as the best 2nd place finisher.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States338 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 19:22:08
October 29 2018 19:21 GMT
#33
On October 30 2018 04:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
This ranking's fine, but it does a pretty poor job of adhering to the criterion of measuring "their performance in the group stage".

Maru, Serral and Stats all looked pretty flawless, but just due to their opponents Serral should be first for example. And Special should be higher if you were just judging by group stage performance.


I think that line doesn't belong. They even say in Maru's blurb:

Overall, Maru has given us no reason at all to change his position from previous Power Ranks. He went into BlizzCon the favorite to win it and he will enter the quarterfinals just the same.


That indicates prior rankings were taken into account.
Tempest
Profile Joined October 2015
United States147 Posts
October 29 2018 19:48 GMT
#34
On October 30 2018 00:43 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 00:23 Rob-Zero wrote:
Looking only at the group stage I would place Special above TY, i just think TY´s play was very scrappy and he "only" played against foreigners. But aside from that I´m fine with the ranking. Go go Serral!


For the record, I agree but my superior opinion was drowned out by the collective.


The collective are fools, your superior opinion is correct.

Special 100% deserves to be ranked higher than TY.
Quick, think of some pithy cliche and toss it here
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 20:34:51
October 29 2018 20:13 GMT
#35
Well, it finally happened.

I offered my services to improve this Power Rank multiple times to the writing team but was regrettably turned down. I knew that didn't bode well for them, but even I couldn't have predicted the shambles that is this Power Rank.

The team appears to have spent too long on their preview articles to properly undertake the full 16-man Power Rank prior to the event. Although I know that the Power Ranks are now timed on a monthly basis, this specific one is clearly about BlizzCon as only BlizzCon attendees have been included.

So we arrive at an 8-man Power Rank situation. The article clearly states that the rank is based on group performance.

This is of course an awkward way to rank because the 'best players' may not have had the hardest route, and had I been consulted professionally I would have advised against this method.

Nevertheless, going solely by group performance does make the ranking a straightforward and easy process. The players most dominant over the best opponents should clearly be ranked the highest.

Unfortunately, without my guidance this also seems to have gone awry.

Regardless of whether you agree that Serral is no.1 overall anyway, his 4-0 of sHy and Zest has to be more impressive than Maru's wins over Lambo and Neeb. This is near irrefutable, and given the criteria, clearly Serral should be rank 1.

In a similar vein, Major's stellar play to overcome Classic and barely lose to Rogue has to be superior to TY (barely overcame Neeb after losing the first set and dropped a map to Lambo) as well as Dark.

The correct Power Rank based on the given criteria is thus:

8. sHy
7. TY
6. Dark
5. Major
4. Rogue
3. Stats
2. Maru
1. Serral

Were the Power Rank to have occurred with my professional input in the correct pre-BlizzCon manner, it would have appeared thus:

16. Has
15. HeroMarine
14. Nerchio
13. Lambo
12. ShowTime
11. Major
10. Zest
9. Neeb
8. Rogue
7. sHy
6. Dark
5. TY
4. Stats
3. Classic
1. Maru (joint)
1. Serral (joint)
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 20:27:56
October 29 2018 20:27 GMT
#36
On October 30 2018 05:13 Dave4 wrote:

In a similar vein, Major's stellar play to overcome Classic twice (4-0) and barely lose to Rogue has to be superior to TY (barely overcame Neeb after losing the first set and dropped a map to Lambo) as well as Dark.



There we have it, finally proof that are you are indeed living in another plane of reality. I won't judge your serral comments anymore from now on, maybe in your dimension he actually is the obvious best player.
Anyway, in my own reality special only played classic once (which could still give him the edge over TY though tbf)
We should check if there are any more differences in results though, if you are interested in that procedure just pm me.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 20:39:42
October 29 2018 20:36 GMT
#37

I did mess up to be fair
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 20:40:00
October 29 2018 20:39 GMT
#38
On October 30 2018 05:36 Dave4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 05:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 30 2018 05:13 Dave4 wrote:

In a similar vein, Major's stellar play to overcome Classic twice (4-0) and barely lose to Rogue has to be superior to TY (barely overcame Neeb after losing the first set and dropped a map to Lambo) as well as Dark.



There we have it, finally proof that I can insert random things into quotes as well.

Don't try to game me mate.

Wanna make a ban bet, if a moderator can look if you changed it you get the perma ban, if you didn't i get it?

edit: Apparently not, good
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-29 20:46:14
October 29 2018 20:41 GMT
#39
On October 30 2018 05:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2018 05:36 Dave4 wrote:
On October 30 2018 05:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On October 30 2018 05:13 Dave4 wrote:

In a similar vein, Major's stellar play to overcome Classic twice (4-0) and barely lose to Rogue has to be superior to TY (barely overcame Neeb after losing the first set and dropped a map to Lambo) as well as Dark.



There we have it, finally proof that I can insert random things into quotes as well.

Don't try to game me mate.

Wanna make a ban bet, if a moderator can look if you changed it you get the perma ban, if you didn't i get it?

edit: Apparently not, good

You need to bring that chilli sauce down a notch bro

You're one of my best friends here and I would miss you when you lost bro
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
October 29 2018 20:50 GMT
#40
dave4 is like a mirror image reverse rodya troll

serral can move to #1 after he wins blizzcon

then next year they can remove region locks so he can prove it at every single tournament, which naniwa and stephano did despite not being protected by region locks
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 12m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Reynor 214
ProTech125
TKL 87
Rex 47
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 8052
GuemChi 2180
Stork 630
Pusan 512
BeSt 493
Larva 421
Leta 198
Zeus 168
EffOrt 127
Killer 101
[ Show more ]
Rush 97
Dewaltoss 77
ToSsGirL 69
hero 68
Light 68
ZerO 57
Barracks 42
Mind 40
yabsab 30
Movie 24
Icarus 16
Terrorterran 14
Noble 12
Hm[arnc] 10
Dota 2
Gorgc2137
singsing1408
XaKoH 492
XcaliburYe80
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1902
shoxiejesuss620
x6flipin526
zeus526
allub136
Other Games
summit1g14833
B2W.Neo419
Pyrionflax308
Fuzer 250
crisheroes243
Trikslyr31
ZerO(Twitch)8
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream8072
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3655
Other Games
gamesdonequick534
BasetradeTV33
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 16
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH186
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt694
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
12m
TKL 87
Rex47
WardiTV1
BSL: GosuLeague
9h 12m
PiGosaur Cup
13h 12m
The PondCast
22h 12m
Replay Cast
1d 11h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Reynor
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
BSL: GosuLeague
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
IPSL
4 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
IPSL
5 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.