EPT(between Koreans and foreigners but also between Serral and eveyone else)
Kingdom Come: Serral Sweeps the 2018 WCS Circuit - Page 3
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Edulis
United States21 Posts
(between Koreans and foreigners but also between Serral and eveyone else) | ||
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KaiserCommander
Mexico290 Posts
On September 19 2018 03:50 BaneRiders wrote: He has already. Says so in the article as well. + Show Spoiler + Ha, again this. GSL vs The World is NOT a GSL, it's an invitational event where most of it's participants does not even prepare that much. Please be less tacky, Serral is No.2, until proven otherwise in Blizzcon. | ||
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
Since he won all his matches in the WCS Circuit, the only way to top this would be to have a better map score or to win more than 4 in a row (which is of course not possible in one year, and we don´t know if Serral is going to win more next year) But i am a little bit concerned for Blizzcon, am i the only one ? Sure it was all ZvZ, but Serral looked...vulnerable, in each match in the playoffs. For the first time this year. Before i always had the feeling he is just way better than his opponents, but this time around it was a close call several times. Of course it was more entertaining, but still, i hope he just didn´t train that much before Montreal or anything, otherwise it may be that his skill dropped a little. Or he just found the inner Neeb, like it was said in the great (thanks Waxangel) article. If Serral wants to conquer Blizzcon i feel even HE has to step up his game a bit compared to Montreal. I really hope he does. Maru vs. Serral with both in top form would just be epic. | ||
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hoshiburst
2 Posts
On September 19 2018 07:55 Rob-Zero wrote: Sure it was all ZvZ, but Serral looked...vulnerable, in each match in the playoffs. I would say the same for Maru. Maru has shown weaknesses to Stat's collosus timing in TvP. Maru had his 2 tank 2 medivac push completely crushed by Leenock, Reynor and Serral so he'll need a new game plan for TvZ. A Maru vs Serral finals would be great but it'll be fairly unlikely. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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Dave4
494 Posts
But there are two Bonjwas at once effectively. Of course I won't reiterate what some have said regarding the teamhouse situation but it's just unfortunate for Serral to be in the darkest timeline where his accomplishments are belittled by some despite his clearly prolific run regardless of BlizzCon outcomes as he has already proven himself with 4 WCS and a GSL in one year. | ||
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Rodya
546 Posts
On September 19 2018 04:44 BigRedDog wrote: Maru vs Serrel is a must watch. I agree, here's the link for anyone who missed it earlier this year: | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4068 Posts
On September 19 2018 07:55 Rob-Zero wrote: Since he won all his matches in the WCS Circuit, the only way to top this would be to have a better map score or to win more than 4 in a row (which is of course not possible in one year, and we don´t know if Serral is going to win more next year) But i am a little bit concerned for Blizzcon, am i the only one ? Sure it was all ZvZ, but Serral looked...vulnerable, in each match in the playoffs. For the first time this year. Before i always had the feeling he is just way better than his opponents, but this time around it was a close call several times. Of course it was more entertaining, but still, i hope he just didn´t train that much before Montreal or anything, otherwise it may be that his skill dropped a little. Or he just found the inner Neeb, like it was said in the great (thanks Waxangel) article. If Serral wants to conquer Blizzcon i feel even HE has to step up his game a bit compared to Montreal. I really hope he does. Maru vs. Serral with both in top form would just be epic. 2 things: 1. progamers are collectively looking for weaknesses in his play and try to exploit those 2. Serral's special power is to win clutch games when it matters the most which many other players lack | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On September 19 2018 10:16 Anc13nt wrote: I think it can fairly be said that Serral is the second best in the world but on the other hand, I don't think it would be ridiculous to say that players like TY or Dark could hypothetically sweep WCS Circuit as well (even though I think that'd be improbable). I would say that he's probably a top 5 player though and is on par with players like Rogue and Dark. Dark sweeping WCS circuit would be improbable? Have you seen his winrate against foreigners? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On September 19 2018 10:53 Dave4 wrote: Sorry to be clearer I am mainly pointing out that in any other period of time Serral would be outright clear no.1 from that many premier wins in that timeframe. He is basically at Bonjwa status now. But there are two Bonjwas at once effectively. Of course I won't reiterate what some have said regarding the teamhouse situation but it's just unfortunate for Serral to be in the darkest timeline where his accomplishments are belittled by some despite his clearly prolific run regardless of BlizzCon outcomes as he has already proven himself with 4 WCS and a GSL in one year. There are 3 Bonjwa's currently. Special won Copa America 3 times in a row. | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
On September 19 2018 00:39 BisuDagger wrote: Waxangel wrote this with his phone while sitting on the toilet last night. Impressive or disgraceful? You decide. I think he needs to sit on the toilet more often. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 19 2018 10:53 Dave4 wrote: Sorry to be clearer I am mainly pointing out that in any other period of time Serral would be outright clear no.1 from that many premier wins in that timeframe. He is basically at Bonjwa status now. But there are two Bonjwas at once effectively. Of course I won't reiterate what some have said regarding the teamhouse situation but it's just unfortunate for Serral to be in the darkest timeline where his accomplishments are belittled by some despite his clearly prolific run regardless of BlizzCon outcomes as he has already proven himself with 4 WCS and a GSL in one year. While Maru dominates top koreans, Serral dominates top foreigners. But we have 2 bonjwas. Not spitting on Serral, but until he dominates at least 1 GSL Code S, then he cannot be banjo. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On September 19 2018 17:21 deacon.frost wrote: While Maru dominates top koreans, Serral dominates top foreigners. But we have 2 bonjwas. Not spitting on Serral, but until he dominates at least 1 GSL Code S, then he cannot be banjo. winning 1 GSL makes you a bonjwa? Sniper bonjwa confirmed. | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On September 19 2018 10:53 Dave4 wrote: Sorry to be clearer I am mainly pointing out that in any other period of time Serral would be outright clear no.1 from that many premier wins in that timeframe. He is basically at Bonjwa status now. But there are two Bonjwas at once effectively. Of course I won't reiterate what some have said regarding the teamhouse situation but it's just unfortunate for Serral to be in the darkest timeline where his accomplishments are belittled by some despite his clearly prolific run regardless of BlizzCon outcomes as he has already proven himself with 4 WCS and a GSL in one year. Lol but u did reiterate it. No one is belittling anything..its called realism. He hasnt won a gsl rofl. He hasnt even been competetive in one. 4 wcs is something..its not nothing but it in NO WAY puts u in a conversation as bonjwa lmao. Was Taeja a bonjwa after his prolific summer? No not even brought up cause hes just an evil korean taking advantage of weaker foreigners..but because serral is white hes a god for crushing foreigners..the circular logic is real. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On September 19 2018 17:39 Charoisaur wrote: winning 1 GSL makes you a bonjwa? Sniper bonjwa confirmed. Yeah! | ||
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Lysergic1
21 Posts
On September 19 2018 10:53 Dave4 wrote: Sorry to be clearer I am mainly pointing out that in any other period of time Serral would be outright clear no.1 from that many premier wins in that timeframe. He is basically at Bonjwa status now. But there are two Bonjwas at once effectively. Of course I won't reiterate what some have said regarding the teamhouse situation but it's just unfortunate for Serral to be in the darkest timeline where his accomplishments are belittled by some despite his clearly prolific run regardless of BlizzCon outcomes as he has already proven himself with 4 WCS and a GSL in one year. When people say "Winning a GSL" they mean winning a LEAGUE. (The L part). The Season. Not a tournament. You know that yet you continue to troll by saying "and he won a GSL". Serral is great. They way you try to promote him is trollish and insincere. Serral has played as well as a very good Korean. He hasn't beaten the best repeatedly. His accomplishments do not yet compare with Maru's. | ||
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Dave4
494 Posts
On September 19 2018 21:47 DomeGetta wrote: Lol but u did reiterate it. No one is belittling anything..its called realism. He hasnt won a gsl rofl. He hasnt even been competetive in one. 4 wcs is something..its not nothing but it in NO WAY puts u in a conversation as bonjwa lmao. Was Taeja a bonjwa after his prolific summer? No not even brought up cause hes just an evil korean taking advantage of weaker foreigners..but because serral is white hes a god for crushing foreigners..the circular logic is real. Look I don't like to keep arguments going like this, but I think you'd find Serrals undefeated run across 5 premier tournaments eclipses Taejas run. Serral did win a GSL tournament which is one of the five above, you need to check your facts - and yes he crushed more than just foreigners, he took out Innovation, Dark and Stats in that one run which is ridiculous for any player in the world. Even Maru was unable to do this which is why he dropped out - but Serral beat Maru as well during this run in a 1v1. So no he doesn't just kill foreigners, and yes he is certainly in the Bonjwas discussion after a sustained run like this. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 19 2018 22:19 Dave4 wrote: Look I don't like to keep arguments going like this, but I think you'd find Serrals undefeated run across 5 premier tournaments eclipses Taejas run. Serral did win a GSL tournament which is one of the five above, you need to check your facts - and yes he crushed more than just foreigners, he took out Innovation, Dark and Stats in that one run which is ridiculous for any player in the world. Even Maru was unable to do this which is why he dropped out - but Serral beat Maru as well during this run in a 1v1. So no he doesn't just kill foreigners, and yes he is certainly in the Bonjwas discussion after a sustained run like this. Yes he won a GSL, afreeca and gom before count these as gsls. They do however not count as code s, which is the tournament people reference usually when they talk about gsl. Winning GSL vs the world is a great feat, downplaying that is a little silly. But it's no code s. You mentioned before how preparation tournaments and weekend tournaments have different skill sets and one can make an argument for how a weekender is "harder" in some regards. I think that is true, but i still think that overall pretty much anybody would still argue that preparation tournaments are the pinnacle of competition due to the preparation you can put into each match. In theory you should be able to play your absolute a game because of this. That is not the only difference between serral's gsl and maru's code s titles though, gsl vs the world was a tournament without qualifiers but popularity vote. We still got a strong lineup, but the tournament didn't try to get the actual best players into it. I think there are people downplaying what serral achieved this year, but you seem to overhype it which isn't much better either. | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
The hardest opponent for Serral will probably be Stats. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
On September 20 2018 01:45 Poopi wrote: I don’t think Maru can stop Serral atm, TvZ is just too hard. The hardest opponent for Serral will probably be Stats. You're forgetting Reynor, best chance to beat a EU zerg prodigy is another EU zerg prodigy. | ||
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