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On September 22 2018 07:46 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2018 05:04 hiroshOne wrote:
U forgot about Reynor who knocked out Classic- top tier korean protoss- out of Code S. And that's it. One BO3!!! HOLY MOLY! What a bonjwa! (also their first match was won by Classic) \ Edit> let's be fair, Reynor didn't show much this year in terms of "vs. Koreans", Neeb showed us more. He has a bright future ahead, that's for sure, but ATM we can freely forget him in these relations IMO.
I think Reynor has done very well against koreans this year all things considered, and for sure much more than any one had expected in his first half season as a professional gamer. He has not won every single match obviously, but he has certainly made a splash, and he has won more than one Bo3 against koreans, online as well as offline, so no need to disrespect his performance like that. Give the guy the credit he deserves.
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You are all missing the point and the bigger picture here. The picture is, no matter the reasons, that more and more fireigners are equally matched vs koreans. And it feels it's a consisten rise of players that can do that. You can argue if it's because foreigners are getting better, or koreans are doing worse, but the fact is that it's happening.
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On September 22 2018 16:02 hiroshOne wrote:
You are all missing the point and the bigger picture here. The picture is, no matter the reasons, that more and more fireigners are equally matched vs koreans. And it feels it's a consisten rise of players that can do that. You can argue if it's because foreigners are getting better, or koreans are doing worse, but the fact is that it's happening.
Yah Im not so sure here. This year kind of feels like last year except Serral is Neeb and he did a bit better vs the other foreigners. Neebs run in code S is impressive / Serrals gsl vs the world as well. Real question is will we see a foreigner beat a korean @ blizzcon in the bracket stage for the first time ever?
Im gonna go with no. We have seen the gatekeeper level of code s Koreans fall off a bit (thx region lock) but the top level Koreans are as good if not better than ever. Ill be rooting to see a foreigner go deep but I wouldnt bet money on it.
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Another day another tournament won by Serral - this time Qlash invitational. 27-3 overall score. The guy is so far ahead of this game. 2018 the Year of Serral.
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On September 25 2018 23:10 Dave4 wrote:
Another day another tournament won by Serral - this time Qlash invitational. 27-3 overall score. The guy is so far ahead of this game. 2018 the Year of Serral.
Has #YearOfHarstem officially ended?
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On September 25 2018 23:43 Drfilip wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2018 23:10 Dave4 wrote:
Another day another tournament won by Serral - this time Qlash invitational. 27-3 overall score. The guy is so far ahead of this game. 2018 the Year of Serral. Has #YearOfHarstem officially ended?
Are we still in 2016?
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I think we have entered into a new Flash vs Jaedong era. Only question is who is Flash is and who is Jaedong.
Not even close.
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I think Serral is more than a Bonjwa. He himself is the reason of foreigner skill rising up rapidly. Everyone in foreign scene is ripping their guts to try to beat Serral, practicing their asses off. This is the real value of that player. It's obvious especially in ZvZ. To be honest foreign ZvZ is much better and more skilled than Korean version of this matchup, so I'm really calm about Serral vs Rogue or Serral vs Dark at Blizzcon.
For me, Maru and Serral are both no1. U say Serral dominated potentially weaker - foreign scene, but in the other hand Maru dominated lagging Korean scene, which is not what it used to be back in a day. There are really only few players there that are competitive. Korean Zergs are far behind foreigner Zergs where it comes to understanding of current meta. When u watch Serral play and compare it to Rogue's or Dark's or soO''s it's pretty much obvious that he understands his race much better. That's only my opinion, so don't be harsh on that.
I understand why foreigners are very biased to their players. Koreans been winning every single blizzcon, took 95% of tournies whenever they attend. And Blizzard decided to make system 'Region lock', which means Korean GSL players can't attend WCS Circuit, cuz they will take all money again, and kill foreign scene. Blizzard wants to give foreign scene a chance to grow vs Koreans. Neeb winning Kespa Cup? Serral winning GSLvsWorld? Not enough. The problem is rest foreigners can't win anything vs Koreans. That's all. Foreign fans always have been desperate on having a foreign player better than Koreans. It's very natural.
And bonjwa, isn't something that can be achieved that so so so easily like you said.
If someone wins, GSL 6 times in a row, and take blizzcons 2 years in a row, then we can say he is more than a 'bonjwa'.
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He is certainly in the B discussion. I think a win at BlizzCon would affirm this as first non Korean Bonjwa... Almost a year undefeated
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On October 06 2018 03:05 Dave4 wrote:
He is certainly in the B discussion. I think a win at BlizzCon would affirm this as first non Korean Bonjwa... Almost a year undefeated
Winning minor league 4 times doesn't make you bonjwa. Serral got defeated 0-3 by Classic in IEM world championship, and 0-3 by Maru in WESG as well. Are you new to starcraft scene? Then welcome. But sorry, if you claim Serral's achievement in minor leagues is bonjwa level, then there should be more than 10 people deserved to be called bonjwa in sc2 history.
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On October 11 2018 05:07 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2018 03:05 Dave4 wrote:
He is certainly in the B discussion. I think a win at BlizzCon would affirm this as first non Korean Bonjwa... Almost a year undefeated Winning minor league 4 times doesn't make you bonjwa. Serral got defeated 0-3 by Classic in IEM world championship, and 0-3 by Maru in WESG as well. Are you new to starcraft scene? Then welcome. But sorry, if you claim Serral's achievement in minor leagues is bonjwa level, then there should be more than 10 people deserved to be called bonjwa in sc2 history.
Let's give him foreigner banjo title 
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On October 11 2018 05:42 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2018 05:07 RandomOnlyTheHumanLf wrote:On October 06 2018 03:05 Dave4 wrote:
He is certainly in the B discussion. I think a win at BlizzCon would affirm this as first non Korean Bonjwa... Almost a year undefeated Winning minor league 4 times doesn't make you bonjwa. Serral got defeated 0-3 by Classic in IEM world championship, and 0-3 by Maru in WESG as well. Are you new to starcraft scene? Then welcome. But sorry, if you claim Serral's achievement in minor leagues is bonjwa level, then there should be more than 10 people deserved to be called bonjwa in sc2 history. Let's give him foreigner banjo title
I agree. For all the foreign fan bois. We gotta make one for them.
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