EPTMaru defeats Zest to reach Code S finals - Page 2
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agripsss
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2224 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On September 09 2018 20:07 Edpayasugo wrote: I don't follow the scene closely anymore, what is the community opinion on Maru? Goat or has the average level dropped? How does he compare to INno last year? Both. He's certainly more dominant than INno was last year. INno had plenty of ro16/ro8 exits and wasn't close to winning all three GSLs. Even the GSL he won was close given he won almost all the matches 4-3/3-2/2-1, whereas Maru is getting 3-0s/4-0s. | ||
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Drfilip
Sweden592 Posts
We'll have to see if more terran players will gain success in TvP with this kind of play. Time will tell if it is necessary to do anything about it. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On September 09 2018 20:07 Edpayasugo wrote: I don't follow the scene closely anymore, what is the community opinion on Maru? Goat or has the average level dropped? How does he compare to INno last year? I don't think Maru is quite the GOAT yet, even if he wins this season. It's close though, to the point that if he wins Blizzcon as well we can start calling him that (the lone arena Bogus has never done well in). I do feel the level has dropped a little from 2017 with less to play for once again for the Koreans. Still, I think Maru's 2018 will be better if he wins all the GSLs. Despite the diminished level of play, it's still pretty cutthroat from the ro8 onward and Maru has been in top-tier form all year. He's only dropped the ball a little in the Super Tournaments. Not to mention he won WESG and made it deep at IEM Katowice. | ||
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StabiloBoss20
313 Posts
On September 09 2018 08:23 NotSoHappy wrote: Of course I agree - he is dictating the game from just sending his scv and building a rax on a random spot on the map. That is exactly my point why it is bad. Proxies from other races has are just weaker/T proxies are less viable vs Z. I understand what are you getting at - Maru is way superior in micro to other pros and is abusing this style to win games, but nonetheless I feel like this is OP (vs P) and should be looked at, considering how the metagame is shifting. All I am saying is P has to put way more work to answer this than T and early on it feels like playing a guesing game, because scouting options are very limited. It went so far as P sending 2 probes to scout for it. i guess thats is a pretty unique opinion. | ||
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RxMidnight
United States251 Posts
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washikie
United States752 Posts
On September 09 2018 04:57 NotSoHappy wrote: sorry, this TvP proxy bullshit is just well bullshit. IMO if you don't respect it and answer perfectly you're sooo behind. And T can fake it, make scv behind it and it'll still look like an all-in because it's so hard to scout if the T is seriously committing or not. I can't respect something that is made on pure luck - if the P scouts it right away T is done, but if not and scouts late T can mindfuck the P and take huge lead. This game should be more serious than simple proxying BS every damn game. I mean for the longest time Protoss played this way alllooot, proxy oracle, proxy dt shrine, proxy hidden extra gates, proxy void ray, proxy 2 robo, proxy tempest, proxy hidden blink, proxy shield. Battery. These builds exist and still work to some degree. I think it's just that right now why would you risk loosing attempting an Allin as toss in tvp when your late game is so good that if you reach it most of the time Terran can't do anything to beat you at that point. Yeah proxies are hard to scout and read for the longest time I whined about this but I've just come to accept that's how sc2 is. I think if late game tvp was more even you might see less Terran players do cheese/allins evrey single game vs toss. With the game as it is thouge I don't see Terran players opting for macro games in tvp anytime soon. | ||
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hobbyistGamedev
33 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
I always thought TvT was the most enjoyable mirror matchup to watch - often with games that are like a slow positional chess match that erupt into wild swings in supply. taeja vs innovation on newkirk 2013 was amazing hoping maru wins again. sc2 needs a dominant player like that hasn't really had one recently. only bad news is poor soo will not win a final until he figures out how to get past maru | ||
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