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Maru defeats Zest to reach Code S finals

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TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
September 08 2018 17:29 GMT
#1
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2018 GSL Code S: Season 3

(Wiki)Maru continued his quest tor a third consecutive Code S championship largely unopposed, taking out (Wiki)Zest 4-1 in the semifinals. The match was an opportunity for Zest to avenge his 0-4 loss to Maru in the grand finals of the previous season of Code S, but he was only able to win a single map in another one-sided loss.

After taking down the best Protoss and Zerg players in Korea on his way to two Code S titles, Maru must now defeat an elite Terran player in TY to win an unprecedented third championship. Code S season 3 will conclude with Maru vs TY in the grand finals on Saturday, Sep 15 8:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)

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Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
September 08 2018 17:34 GMT
#2
Maru the god
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neutralrobot
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia1025 Posts
September 08 2018 18:04 GMT
#3
I think TY might give him a real fight. But it's hard to really tell. If Maru looks as dominant vs TY as he did vs GuMiho, it seems like he will have decisively defeated all the strongest competition Korea could muster in the GSL. Hard to think of someone else he hasn't faced off against recently who seems like a genuine potential threat to playoffs Maru.
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Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden592 Posts
September 08 2018 18:05 GMT
#4
Zest now has 2 PvT losses offline this year. Both were vs Maru.
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DomeGetta
Profile Joined February 2012
480 Posts
September 08 2018 18:19 GMT
#5
Still waiting for a "community feedback" update regarding this. Im really worried tbh bc as much as my Terran heart wants maru to win blizzcon - i really reallllly do not want every tvp there to be a proxy fest. Super difficult to fix this problem. Main worry is they will nerf something early game for terran without fixing the lategame nightmare. Zest seemed to kind of figure it out on catalyst..smaller map makes for less rng i guess..honestly no idea what they should do but watching these games is a huge let down..even the casters who literally get paid to hype cant hide their disappointment..tosis let "but i wanted a good series" slip out again lol..im w u brother
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-08 18:25:56
September 08 2018 18:25 GMT
#6
The TvP proxyfest only started very recently. And the complaints about it only started like this week. The balance team wouldn't make drastic changes that quickly.

Especially if they're working on major changes for after blizzcon
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VvvV1251
Profile Joined January 2016
Algeria142 Posts
September 08 2018 18:48 GMT
#7
Same as last time, Maru pretty much face-rolled Zest, just like last season finale, games were over before they even started.
NotSoHappy
Profile Joined November 2010
445 Posts
September 08 2018 19:57 GMT
#8
sorry, this TvP proxy bullshit is just well bullshit. IMO if you don't respect it and answer perfectly you're sooo behind. And T can fake it, make scv behind it and it'll still look like an all-in because it's so hard to scout if the T is seriously committing or not. I can't respect something that is made on pure luck - if the P scouts it right away T is done, but if not and scouts late T can mindfuck the P and take huge lead. This game should be more serious than simple proxying BS every damn game.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
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Last Edited: 2018-09-08 20:09:50
September 08 2018 20:09 GMT
#9
On September 09 2018 04:57 NotSoHappy wrote:
sorry, this TvP proxy bullshit is just well bullshit. IMO if you don't respect it and answer perfectly you're sooo behind. And T can fake it, make scv behind it and it'll still look like an all-in because it's so hard to scout if the T is seriously committing or not. I can't respect something that is made on pure luck - if the P scouts it right away T is done, but if not and scouts late T can mindfuck the P and take huge lead. This game should be more serious than simple proxying BS every damn game.

That's the thing, it's not pure luck. For Maru and TY, at any rate, from all tournaments I've watched those 2 are actually very far ahead of other Terrans when it comes to this. As long as the first probe doesn't cause the proxy to be cancelled (which rarely happens), any Protoss is in trouble already vs them. They have so many follow-ups and options. Very powerful mind games. Even Neeb, after practicing tons of games with TY himself for the GSL Ro16, didn't manage to make the right call most of the time.
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BigRedDog
Profile Joined May 2012
461 Posts
September 08 2018 20:16 GMT
#10
what major changes are they making with the game after Blizzcon?

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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
September 08 2018 20:31 GMT
#11
finally get the TY vs Maru match a lot of people wanted
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NotSoHappy
Profile Joined November 2010
445 Posts
September 08 2018 20:41 GMT
#12
"As long as the first probe doesn't cause the proxy to be cancelled (which rarely happens)"

You said it yourself. It is luck. You can proxy the rax/facs in many places on the map, so it is highly difficult for the protos to know what's comming and if the T is committing or not. Not to mention the followups. Add to this, they may still play standard, so there is many, many mindgames coming from just a simple proxy.

As a spectator it is just getting boring and I'm thinking this is OP in someway that is hard to tell and it won't be fixed by a simple nerf which I wouldn't like to see. Maybe some answer from map-makers would make it easier for the P. Time will tell.
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
September 08 2018 20:56 GMT
#13
3 Gate Robo before Exp coming back in PvT...?
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phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
September 08 2018 21:00 GMT
#14
If Maru wins this, would he be considered a Bonjwa?
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
September 08 2018 21:35 GMT
#15
Terran proxying is fun to watch, I love it. Finally some creativity in SC2. Zest's decision to build his buildings on the low ground is also an interesting switch up - don't patch this please, just let the players evolve the meta.
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StabiloBoss20
Profile Joined July 2015
313 Posts
September 08 2018 22:15 GMT
#16
On September 09 2018 05:41 NotSoHappy wrote:
"As long as the first probe doesn't cause the proxy to be cancelled (which rarely happens)"

You said it yourself. It is luck. You can proxy the rax/facs in many places on the map, so it is highly difficult for the protos to know what's comming and if the T is committing or not. Not to mention the followups. Add to this, they may still play standard, so there is many, many mindgames coming from just a simple proxy.

As a spectator it is just getting boring and I'm thinking this is OP in someway that is hard to tell and it won't be fixed by a simple nerf which I wouldn't like to see. Maybe some answer from map-makers would make it easier for the P. Time will tell.


In the first place, Maru is proxying to dictate the game. and he knows that pretty much noone can keep up with him, in terms of heavymircoing and macroing behind that. and the follow up is subsequent to the follow up. and sooner or later the opponent falls apart and the damage spile up. this has nothing to do with luck. protoss isnt behind rather hasnt enough information. the question is just if you react accordingly and if you can keep up...
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
September 08 2018 22:57 GMT
#17
TvT nice
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NotSoHappy
Profile Joined November 2010
445 Posts
September 08 2018 23:23 GMT
#18
On September 09 2018 07:15 StabiloBoss20 wrote:
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On September 09 2018 05:41 NotSoHappy wrote:
"As long as the first probe doesn't cause the proxy to be cancelled (which rarely happens)"

You said it yourself. It is luck. You can proxy the rax/facs in many places on the map, so it is highly difficult for the protos to know what's comming and if the T is committing or not. Not to mention the followups. Add to this, they may still play standard, so there is many, many mindgames coming from just a simple proxy.

As a spectator it is just getting boring and I'm thinking this is OP in someway that is hard to tell and it won't be fixed by a simple nerf which I wouldn't like to see. Maybe some answer from map-makers would make it easier for the P. Time will tell.


In the first place, Maru is proxying to dictate the game. and he knows that pretty much noone can keep up with him, in terms of heavymircoing and macroing behind that. and the follow up is subsequent to the follow up. and sooner or later the opponent falls apart and the damage spile up. this has nothing to do with luck. protoss isnt behind rather hasnt enough information. the question is just if you react accordingly and if you can keep up...


Of course I agree - he is dictating the game from just sending his scv and building a rax on a random spot on the map. That is exactly my point why it is bad. Proxies from other races has are just weaker/T proxies are less viable vs Z.

I understand what are you getting at - Maru is way superior in micro to other pros and is abusing this style to win games, but nonetheless I feel like this is OP (vs P) and should be looked at, considering how the metagame is shifting.

All I am saying is P has to put way more work to answer this than T and early on it feels like playing a guesing game, because scouting options are very limited. It went so far as P sending 2 probes to scout for it.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9224 Posts
September 08 2018 23:36 GMT
#19
Good old GomTvT. Just kidding of course.
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midhigh
Profile Joined July 2018
49 Posts
September 09 2018 09:58 GMT
#20
I can't understand all this post on the proxy stuff. Firstly, Maru beat Zest pretty easily in the last finals without all in proxys, so it is not like he "stole" a final opportunity from Zest. Maru does this anyway against anybody in any situation. Also Zest played scared vs Maru this time, and Neeb actually was 2-1 up vs TY with a very high chance of going up 3-1. He failed to read the situation correctly on 16bit, that changed the whole series. Could have been easily Neeb in the finals.
Secondly, why should Terrans not proxy much in a BO5/BO7 if this gives them the best chance to win? I get it it is difficult to handle as a protoss, also it is diffucult to handle mass carriers or mass storms with 1 sec cooldown... but it does not mean that blizzard should do something against it immidiately. Give the players time to figure it out.
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