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France12761 Posts
On July 24 2018 22:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 18:10 Poopi wrote:On July 24 2018 18:06 SHODAN wrote:
I would put serral on a similar level to leenock right now. pretty fucking solid, but he isn't gonna beat maru in a boX He is far better than Leenock Leenock would be destroyed by many top foreigners (well maybe not destroyed but he'd lose) And being elite level at sc2 is not only about being able to beat Maru in a BoX If this were still 2017 maybe, surprisingly Leenock appears to be returning to his 2011/2012 form. Don't know if I'd go full-Artosis and put him on Rogue's level just yet, but given how young Leenock still is, this could be him nearing his actual prime much like Maru.
It's fucking Serral.
People are getting excited because Leenock qualified for ro16 beating Dear?
Reynor qualified beating fucking Classic, and people don't dare to compare him to Serral yet, especially after the recent 3-0 in head to head.
I don't think Leenock has the level yet to win a Serral-less WCS tournament.
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We'll have to see how Serral does in GSL vs The World. I'm guessing there's no way he makes it past Rouge or Innovation though.
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On July 24 2018 23:02 ReachTheSky wrote:
Congrats! Where is the foreign terran bonjwa already? We've seen multiple foreign zergs/protosses do this sort of thing in the past before but never have we seen a terran dominate like this? Why could this be?
Kelazhur
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United Kingdom1060 Posts
On July 24 2018 20:07 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 18:10 Poopi wrote:On July 24 2018 18:06 SHODAN wrote:
I would put serral on a similar level to leenock right now. pretty fucking solid, but he isn't gonna beat maru in a boX He is far better than Leenock Leenock would be destroyed by many top foreigners (well maybe not destroyed but he'd lose) And being elite level at sc2 is not only about being able to beat Maru in a BoX Have you seen Leenock play recently? He is seriously looking like one of the top Zergs in Korea. I'd rate him similar to Solar, with only put Rogue and Dark and solidly above Leenock atm. Comparing him to Serral is a compliment to Serral
ja ja, was intended as a compliment 
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Canada8988 Posts
On July 24 2018 13:09 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 13:05 Anc13nt wrote:
I think it is worth noting that players such as ByuN, Solar, Impact and Dear have 2018 season win-rates (against non-koreans) of 83.33%, 80.81%, 67.27% and 86.00% respectively. Putting these win-rates to perspective, I would not necessarily say that Serral is at the skill level of a top Korean (if you define it as being the very best players like Rogue and Maru). Nonetheless, by the standard of Koreans he would still be a very good player. A car moving at 120 kmh (~75 mph) will kill a person on impact. Whether that car is a Honda Civic or a H1 Hummer is completely irrelevant. Serral has a Korean-esque effect on foreigners. That just says he's a lot stronger than the other foreigners, which is NOT the same as saying he's as strong as the Koreans.
Hum action movies thought me that if you dive on the hood of the car your ok and it's pretty hard to jump on the hood of a Hummer, so Honda Civic is way less dangerous.
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On July 25 2018 00:37 SHODAN wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 20:07 pvsnp wrote:On July 24 2018 18:10 Poopi wrote:On July 24 2018 18:06 SHODAN wrote:
I would put serral on a similar level to leenock right now. pretty fucking solid, but he isn't gonna beat maru in a boX He is far better than Leenock Leenock would be destroyed by many top foreigners (well maybe not destroyed but he'd lose) And being elite level at sc2 is not only about being able to beat Maru in a BoX Have you seen Leenock play recently? He is seriously looking like one of the top Zergs in Korea. I'd rate him similar to Solar, with only put Rogue and Dark and solidly above Leenock atm. Comparing him to Serral is a compliment to Serral ja ja, was intended as a compliment
Jaja heißt “Leck mich am Arsch!”  (Jaja means “Kiss my ass!”, German colloquial saying)
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Whatever the result is, I'm just hoping serral is going to be Stephano/neeb and not.....lilbow.
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now is when Serral loses to Kelagod in the GSL vs the World so the Serral=korean meme keeps going
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United States33128 Posts
On July 24 2018 08:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If it is really just him disliking the teamhouse enviroment i would be quite disappointed, playing in gsl and showing the world that you are on the level for it should be worth more than slight discomfort. He obviously can do whatever he wants, but it would be extremely disappointing if he never played in gsl because of rather trivial problems.
Man, I know that sports fans can be a bit selfish and entitled about their entertainment, but this is really pushing the boundaries here. You don't have any right to say moving to a foreign country and living with 9 other people is 'trivial' when you have no idea what Serral prefers. It's just unseemly to so directly imply that Serral should be unhappy for YOUR entertainment's sake (and I understand we all make soft implications to this end all the time).
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On July 25 2018 12:05 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 08:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If it is really just him disliking the teamhouse enviroment i would be quite disappointed, playing in gsl and showing the world that you are on the level for it should be worth more than slight discomfort. He obviously can do whatever he wants, but it would be extremely disappointing if he never played in gsl because of rather trivial problems. Man, I know that sports fans can be a bit selfish and entitled about their entertainment, but this is really pushing the boundaries here. You don't have any right to say moving to a foreign country and living with 9 other people is 'trivial' when you have no idea what Serral prefers. It's just unseemly to so directly imply that Serral should be unhappy for YOUR entertainment's sake (and I understand we all make soft implications to this end all the time).
Viper doesn't even like SC2. Don't worry about him.
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Not to be a damp squib, but I will believe the stats when I see Serral go toe-to-toe with Koreans and show good games for his fans. He is the biggest fish in the WCS pond, but what will he be like at the BlizzCon finals? I'm positively salivating.
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On July 25 2018 12:05 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 08:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If it is really just him disliking the teamhouse enviroment i would be quite disappointed, playing in gsl and showing the world that you are on the level for it should be worth more than slight discomfort. He obviously can do whatever he wants, but it would be extremely disappointing if he never played in gsl because of rather trivial problems. Man, I know that sports fans can be a bit selfish and entitled about their entertainment, but this is really pushing the boundaries here. You don't have any right to say moving to a foreign country and living with 9 other people is 'trivial' when you have no idea what Serral prefers. It's just unseemly to so directly imply that Serral should be unhappy for YOUR entertainment's sake (and I understand we all make soft implications to this end all the time).
Apparently Serral indeed finds it to be a massive commitment.
Though Serral did also mention in his blogs about the trip last year that is was still a rather enjoyable experience that was beneficial when it came to his gameplay.
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On July 25 2018 12:05 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 08:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If it is really just him disliking the teamhouse enviroment i would be quite disappointed, playing in gsl and showing the world that you are on the level for it should be worth more than slight discomfort. He obviously can do whatever he wants, but it would be extremely disappointing if he never played in gsl because of rather trivial problems. Man, I know that sports fans can be a bit selfish and entitled about their entertainment, but this is really pushing the boundaries here. You don't have any right to say moving to a foreign country and living with 9 other people is 'trivial' when you have no idea what Serral prefers. It's just unseemly to so directly imply that Serral should be unhappy for YOUR entertainment's sake (and I understand we all make soft implications to this end all the time).
Yeah, I wouldn’t say disliking your living environment is just a slight discomfort as Viper put it. Being uncomfortable or annoyed in the place you live will also probably affect your focus and performance, in the end it could be more harmful than beneficial.
So it’s perfectly understandable if Serral doesn’t want to do it. If that’s the case I think he is doing the right decisions both in game and in life. 💯
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On July 25 2018 12:05 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2018 08:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If it is really just him disliking the teamhouse enviroment i would be quite disappointed, playing in gsl and showing the world that you are on the level for it should be worth more than slight discomfort. He obviously can do whatever he wants, but it would be extremely disappointing if he never played in gsl because of rather trivial problems. Man, I know that sports fans can be a bit selfish and entitled about their entertainment, but this is really pushing the boundaries here. You don't have any right to say moving to a foreign country and living with 9 other people is 'trivial' when you have no idea what Serral prefers. It's just unseemly to so directly imply that Serral should be unhappy for YOUR entertainment's sake (and I understand we all make soft implications to this end all the time).
If you just wanna boil it down to me/people being entitled to being entertained, sure that is certainly a part of it because sc2 is entertainment at the end of the day. But it's quite dishonest to imply that's all there is to it, i could think about a lot of more entertaining things which i would never even bring up because there would be no incentive for any player to do it
In Serral's case it's simply about the opportunity he has, there is a teamhouse in korea he could join immediately, the korean environment would help his gameplay, especially his zvt, he would be able to play in additional tournaments which means more money and on top of that this additional tournament is the fucking gsl which could give him a place in sc2 history if he actually does well. So yes i think it is rather childish to not use this big opportunity because you wanna stay at mommy's house and eat your favorite finnish meal (whatever that might be) over this one in a lifetime opportunity (again, assumign that is the only reason, there can be a lot of different things affectign his decision ofc and that's fine). You can disagree with this, i don't think my opinion is all that out there honestly. Not more to add tbh.
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Canada8988 Posts
On July 25 2018 17:57 D-light wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 12:05 Waxangel wrote:On July 24 2018 08:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If it is really just him disliking the teamhouse enviroment i would be quite disappointed, playing in gsl and showing the world that you are on the level for it should be worth more than slight discomfort. He obviously can do whatever he wants, but it would be extremely disappointing if he never played in gsl because of rather trivial problems. Man, I know that sports fans can be a bit selfish and entitled about their entertainment, but this is really pushing the boundaries here. You don't have any right to say moving to a foreign country and living with 9 other people is 'trivial' when you have no idea what Serral prefers. It's just unseemly to so directly imply that Serral should be unhappy for YOUR entertainment's sake (and I understand we all make soft implications to this end all the time). Apparently Serral indeed finds it to be a massive commitment.Though Serral did also mention in his blogs about the trip last year that is was still a rather enjoyable experience that was beneficial when it came to his gameplay.
Serral write a blog!? That's so cool, it's nice to be able to have him talk/write in a way he's more confortable, as oppose as one stage in front of a croud.
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On July 25 2018 21:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 12:05 Waxangel wrote:On July 24 2018 08:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If it is really just him disliking the teamhouse enviroment i would be quite disappointed, playing in gsl and showing the world that you are on the level for it should be worth more than slight discomfort. He obviously can do whatever he wants, but it would be extremely disappointing if he never played in gsl because of rather trivial problems. Man, I know that sports fans can be a bit selfish and entitled about their entertainment, but this is really pushing the boundaries here. You don't have any right to say moving to a foreign country and living with 9 other people is 'trivial' when you have no idea what Serral prefers. It's just unseemly to so directly imply that Serral should be unhappy for YOUR entertainment's sake (and I understand we all make soft implications to this end all the time). If you just wanna boil it down to me/people being entitled to being entertained, sure that is certainly a part of it because sc2 is entertainment at the end of the day. But it's quite dishonest to imply that's all there is to it, i could think about a lot of more entertaining things which i would never even bring up because there would be no incentive for any player to do it In Serral's case it's simply about the opportunity he has, there is a teamhouse in korea he could join immediately, the korean environment would help his gameplay, especially his zvt, he would be able to play in additional tournaments which means more money and on top of that this additional tournament is the fucking gsl which could give him a place in sc2 history if he actually does well. So yes i think it is rather childish to not use this big opportunity because you wanna stay at mommy's house and eat your favorite finnish meal (whatever that might be) over this one in a lifetime opportunity (again, assumign that is the only reason, there can be a lot of different things affectign his decision ofc and that's fine). You can disagree with this, i don't think my opinion is all that out there honestly. Not more to add tbh.
Of course one can disagree with your opinion, no need to explicitly state that at the end of your comment.
In the end it's always up the the respective player to make that decision and in addition to that there is no guarantee that he would do as well as he's doing right now when going to Korea.
There are so many factors to consider, even smaller changes could impact the usual performance more than you'd think. Be it nutrition, climate, language barrier, not being open to meeting new people, disliking people you'd have to maybe live with... There's just a ton of stuff one might not want to endure just to "maybe" have a shot at winning a GSL.
Back in the days before region locking there were several Korean players more or less dodging fierce competition on their home soil by travelling abroad and playing in other regions/foreign tournaments. They didn't care about being the absolute "best" as much as they cared about winning the easier-to-earn prize money since they had such a big advantage in training regimen over their foreign opponents due to the already established infrastructure in Korea.
While that may have undermined the competitive spirits of some fans/spectators, it's a totally legitimate approach when playing professionally. It's just not about the passion, but how much you can cash in during your relatively short time being a peaking professional gamer.
Sure, I'm just making assumptions here, but I could totally understand him not taking a shot at this, as you would call it "once in a lifetime opportunity", he's clearly a step ahead of everyone competing in WCS right now, why not utilize that advantage and "milk" the foreign scene?
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On July 25 2018 23:26 Creager wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2018 21:24 The_Red_Viper wrote:On July 25 2018 12:05 Waxangel wrote:On July 24 2018 08:49 The_Red_Viper wrote:
If it is really just him disliking the teamhouse enviroment i would be quite disappointed, playing in gsl and showing the world that you are on the level for it should be worth more than slight discomfort. He obviously can do whatever he wants, but it would be extremely disappointing if he never played in gsl because of rather trivial problems. Man, I know that sports fans can be a bit selfish and entitled about their entertainment, but this is really pushing the boundaries here. You don't have any right to say moving to a foreign country and living with 9 other people is 'trivial' when you have no idea what Serral prefers. It's just unseemly to so directly imply that Serral should be unhappy for YOUR entertainment's sake (and I understand we all make soft implications to this end all the time). If you just wanna boil it down to me/people being entitled to being entertained, sure that is certainly a part of it because sc2 is entertainment at the end of the day. But it's quite dishonest to imply that's all there is to it, i could think about a lot of more entertaining things which i would never even bring up because there would be no incentive for any player to do it In Serral's case it's simply about the opportunity he has, there is a teamhouse in korea he could join immediately, the korean environment would help his gameplay, especially his zvt, he would be able to play in additional tournaments which means more money and on top of that this additional tournament is the fucking gsl which could give him a place in sc2 history if he actually does well. So yes i think it is rather childish to not use this big opportunity because you wanna stay at mommy's house and eat your favorite finnish meal (whatever that might be) over this one in a lifetime opportunity (again, assumign that is the only reason, there can be a lot of different things affectign his decision ofc and that's fine). You can disagree with this, i don't think my opinion is all that out there honestly. Not more to add tbh. Of course one can disagree with your opinion, no need to explicitly state that at the end of your comment. In the end it's always up the the respective player to make that decision and in addition to that there is no guarantee that he would do as well as he's doing right now when going to Korea. There are so many factors to consider, even smaller changes could impact the usual performance more than you'd think. Be it nutrition, climate, language barrier, not being open to meeting new people, disliking people you'd have to maybe live with... There's just a ton of stuff one might not want to endure just to "maybe" have a shot at winning a GSL. Back in the days before region locking there were several Korean players more or less dodging fierce competition on their home soil by travelling abroad and playing in other regions/foreign tournaments. They didn't care about being the absolute "best" as much as they cared about winning the easier-to-earn prize money since they had such a big advantage in training regimen over their foreign opponents due to the already established infrastructure in Korea. While that may have undermined the competitive spirits of some fans/spectators, it's a totally legitimate approach when playing professionally. It's just not about the passion, but how much you can cash in during your relatively short time being a peaking professional gamer. Sure, I'm just making assumptions here, but I could totally understand him not taking a shot at this, as you would call it "once in a lifetime opportunity", he's clearly a step ahead of everyone competing in WCS right now, why not utilize that advantage and "milk" the foreign scene?
Well first and foremost, yes ofc it is his decision and the only other party which could even demand him to do anything are the people that pay him directly, aka his team ence.
With that being said i still can have an opinion on his actions, which atm is to chicken out of gsl and not take the opportunity. I already stated that i would only look down upon this specific decision if it was based on him basically wanting to stay at mama's house. Hell even a 16 year old reynor went for it to go to korea.
Call it entitled, i don't really care, it's just a cheap shot at me for voicing an opinion without having to address the actual topic (not directed at you).
You are bringing up the possibility of him doing worse after/during his stay in korea. I mean one obviously cannot simply rule it out completely, but in general this just reads like "never change anything that already works". I believe in strifing for more, especially when the opportunities basically present themselves. He could play gsl and wcs at the same time, the foreigner house is already established, etc.
There really isn't a lot more to say, if he never goes to korea to play in gsl i won't cry at night or write angry emails to ence, it still would be a shame though.
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That photo of Serral with the champagne is amazing!
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In the game Super Smash Brothers, there exist 6-7 people who rarely lose to anyone else in recorded competition upon enlightenment. They are called gods in this game.
I wonder if Serral has done enough to become a god of non Koreans in Starcraft 2.
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On July 27 2018 15:18 TrueStorm wrote:
In the game Super Smash Brothers, there exist 6-7 people who rarely lose to anyone else in recorded competition upon enlightenment. They are called gods in this game.
I wonder if Serral has done enough to become a god of non Koreans in Starcraft 2.
Being a god of non Koreans is irrelevant. Does it really matter if you're simply a lesser god? Sure your best foreigner, but with grouped with the Koreans, you're still the bottom of the barrel. And we keep giving them good stats because we rig all the tournaments for foreigners to play in. But lets be honest if there was a top 64 tournament and it was based off true talent, he would have at best the 64th spot and wouldn't make it out of the second round.
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