Code S Season 3 will commence on Wednesday, Jul 04 9:30am GMT (GMT+00:00) with Group A, featuring Classic, Reynor, Ryung, and sOs.
Poll: Group of Death?
There is no Group of Death (76)
33%
D - GuMiho, Solar, herO, MMA (56)
24%
A - Classic, sOs, Ryung, Reynor (26)
11%
H - soO, Rogue, KeeN, SpeCial (26)
11%
C - Stats, INnoVation, Cure, Hurricane (21)
9%
E - Zest, ByuN, Impact, PartinG (16)
7%
G - Dark, aLive, Losira, Neeb (5)
2%
B - Maru, Dear, Leenock, Forte (3)
1%
F - TY, Trap, Bunny, RagnaroK (2)
1%
231 total votes
Your vote: Group of Death?
(Vote): A - Classic, sOs, Ryung, Reynor (Vote): B - Maru, Dear, Leenock, Forte (Vote): C - Stats, INnoVation, Cure, Hurricane (Vote): D - GuMiho, Solar, herO, MMA (Vote): E - Zest, ByuN, Impact, PartinG (Vote): F - TY, Trap, Bunny, RagnaroK (Vote): G - Dark, aLive, Losira, Neeb (Vote): H - soO, Rogue, KeeN, SpeCial (Vote): There is no Group of Death
Group D is the clear group of death to me. Because of the tiers almost all the groups have two very good players, but herO makes the third for group D since he managed to fall to tier three by inexplicably failing to make it through the qualifiers last season.
Group D is the Group of Death; despite MMA not being too impressive, Gumiho, herO, and Solar are pretty damn even. Which is a lot more than we can say for most of the other groups. Group E is also pretty stacked but Zest is a clear step up from the others.
Foreigners got a pretty bad draw, methinks. Special is toast, Reynor likewise, but Neeb might have a chance. Assuming he doesn't play like he did against Silky, ofc. 2017 Neeb would have a good chance but 2018 Neeb is a long way from that.
TY for a first time is not in a deadly group. Of course MMA is back in the elite and that is the most important event. I don't think he will be able to get out, Gumiho's TvT is really solid no matter he lost barely to TY in the semifinal. I can't tell how good herO and Solar are right now, actually Solar did not impress that much for the last 2-3 months. For sure I can tell that the favorite tosses will be back in the higher rounds, so I am calm for them. Actually the first group could be one of the most exciting to watch, love Ryung and he always shows good matches no matter how far he will go or lose and of course sOs and Classic can demonstrate some top PvP skills. This is the time of the year when Innovation is getting extremely good so we shall see. It depends if Maru shall keep his god mode right now. Last season was almost perfect with the players inside, this season is even better! Parting - the most attractive player in the e-sport is also back, rather I hope he shall not act emotionally like the way he streams.
poor Special and Reynor, Neeb got lucky with the drawing, he will qualify hopefully. Other than that is kinda clear in all groups who are the 2 favorites. GrA: Classic, sOs GrB: Maru, Dear GrC: Innovation, Stats (maybe Cure, but looking at Stats PvT not that likely) GrD: Solar, herO (probably the most hard to call group, but MMA has close to 0 chance to advance, GumihO can take out maybe herO) GrE: Zest, Byun (Parting is not RO16 material yet, maybe next season) GrF: TY, Trap GrG: Dark, Neeb GrH: will go with Rogue, Special,(soO still in a slump I feel)
Last season almost every group felt like it had 2 guaranteed winners. This season's ro32 feels much more stacked even though it's mostly the same players.
Groups A, C, F, and G could easily be ro16 groups.
On June 27 2018 19:51 Fango wrote: F is the group of death for me. TY and Trap are obviously ro16/ro8 level, but Ragnarok and Bunny are underrated and have a lot of potential to go far
I don't see it. TY is clearly above the rest of his group. Trap is a bit above Bunny and Bunny a bit above Rag, but overall those 3 aren't that far apart. But Rag and Bunny aren't players I see as having the ability to go deeper than Ro16 at this point. Ragnarok, as much as I like him honestly I don't think he would advance from any Ro32 group this season.
Group D for example has 3 players who actually have the potential to make it to the Ro8 and not being a surprise.
Reynor's in a tough group, but Neeb and Special are both in groups they could (probably should) make it out of. Maybe we'll actually get a foreigner in Ro16 this season?
On June 27 2018 21:05 esReveR wrote: Reynor's in a tough group, but Neeb and Special are both in groups they could (probably should) make it out of. Maybe we'll actually get a foreigner in Ro16 this season?
I could see Neeb but SpeCial is in one of the hardest groups.
On June 27 2018 21:05 esReveR wrote: Reynor's in a tough group, but Neeb and Special are both in groups they could (probably should) make it out of. Maybe we'll actually get a foreigner in Ro16 this season?
Which two players in his group should Special beat?
On June 27 2018 21:05 esReveR wrote: Reynor's in a tough group, but Neeb and Special are both in groups they could (probably should) make it out of. Maybe we'll actually get a foreigner in Ro16 this season?
Which two players in his group should Special beat?
On June 27 2018 21:05 esReveR wrote: Reynor's in a tough group, but Neeb and Special are both in groups they could (probably should) make it out of. Maybe we'll actually get a foreigner in Ro16 this season?
Which two players in his group should Special beat?
soO ZvT is trash and keen isn't unbeatable
Didn't know you had to be unbeatable to be favoured against Special and I guess soO got really lucky when Special should have gone to the blizzcon finals thanks to his superior TvZ.
On June 27 2018 21:05 esReveR wrote: Reynor's in a tough group, but Neeb and Special are both in groups they could (probably should) make it out of. Maybe we'll actually get a foreigner in Ro16 this season?
Which two players in his group should Special beat?
soO ZvT is trash and keen isn't unbeatable
soO's ZvT is trash by standards of soO, not standards of someone who can't make WCS finals.
On June 27 2018 21:05 esReveR wrote: Reynor's in a tough group, but Neeb and Special are both in groups they could (probably should) make it out of. Maybe we'll actually get a foreigner in Ro16 this season?
Which two players in his group should Special beat?
soO ZvT is trash and keen isn't unbeatable
Didn't know you had to be unbeatable to be favoured against Special and I guess soO got really lucky when Special should have gone to the blizzcon finals thanks to his superior TvZ.
Don't think soO is anywhere near his blizzcon form, I dont think there is a clear 2nd place in that group based on historical skill you would say soO on current form probably Keen but don't think special is that unfavoured.
On June 27 2018 21:05 esReveR wrote: Reynor's in a tough group, but Neeb and Special are both in groups they could (probably should) make it out of. Maybe we'll actually get a foreigner in Ro16 this season?
Which two players in his group should Special beat?
soO ZvT is trash and keen isn't unbeatable
Didn't know you had to be unbeatable to be favoured against Special and I guess soO got really lucky when Special should have gone to the blizzcon finals thanks to his superior TvZ.
Don't think soO is anywhere near his blizzcon form, I dont think there is a clear 2nd place in that group based on historical skill you would say soO on current form probably Keen but don't think special is that unflavoured.
On June 27 2018 21:05 esReveR wrote: Reynor's in a tough group, but Neeb and Special are both in groups they could (probably should) make it out of. Maybe we'll actually get a foreigner in Ro16 this season?
Which two players in his group should Special beat?
soO ZvT is trash and keen isn't unbeatable
Didn't know you had to be unbeatable to be favoured against Special and I guess soO got really lucky when Special should have gone to the blizzcon finals thanks to his superior TvZ.
Don't think soO is anywhere near his blizzcon form, I dont think there is a clear 2nd place in that group based on historical skill you would say soO on current form probably Keen but don't think special is that unflavoured.
On June 27 2018 21:05 esReveR wrote: Reynor's in a tough group, but Neeb and Special are both in groups they could (probably should) make it out of. Maybe we'll actually get a foreigner in Ro16 this season?
Which two players in his group should Special beat?
soO ZvT is trash and keen isn't unbeatable
Didn't know you had to be unbeatable to be favoured against Special and I guess soO got really lucky when Special should have gone to the blizzcon finals thanks to his superior TvZ.
Don't think soO is anywhere near his blizzcon form, I dont think there is a clear 2nd place in that group based on historical skill you would say soO on current form probably Keen but don't think special is that unfavoured.
soOs shape doesn't seem great, I agree, but that's still based on only making ro16 in a tournament Special failed to qualify for. I think it's possible for Special to advance, but it's going to be tough and I do not think he is favoured at all.
On June 27 2018 21:05 esReveR wrote: Reynor's in a tough group, but Neeb and Special are both in groups they could (probably should) make it out of. Maybe we'll actually get a foreigner in Ro16 this season?
Which two players in his group should Special beat?
Of course Rogue is the favorite of the group, but I feel like Special can handle KeeN and soO.
A group of death is the toughest group but the toughest group is not always a group of death. A true group of death is one in which every single participant can reasonably get out, possibly in any position.
I'd rank Group D as the hardest, but I don't see a world in which MMA gets out of the group, so it isn't a group of death.
On June 27 2018 22:23 Zeon0 wrote: Gogo estimate the chances of the foreigners!
0% for all 3.
Reynor is a tier below Ryung and 3 tiers below Classic and sOs. SpeCial is a tier below KeeN, 2 tiers below soO, and 3 tiers below Rogue. Neeb actually has a decent group, especially since aLive doesn't have a particularly good TvP result in months (his record since April is like 2-10 against players with a pulse), but if Neeb is losing to Silky even factoring in cross server issues and maybe having a bad day, he's in awful form.
On June 27 2018 19:51 Fango wrote: F is the group of death for me. TY and Trap are obviously ro16/ro8 level, but Ragnarok and Bunny are underrated and have a lot of potential to go far
I don't see it. TY is clearly above the rest of his group. Trap is a bit above Bunny and Bunny a bit above Rag, but overall those 3 aren't that far apart. But Rag and Bunny aren't players I see as having the ability to go deeper than Ro16 at this point. Ragnarok, as much as I like him honestly I don't think he would advance from any Ro32 group this season.
Group D for example has 3 players who actually have the potential to make it to the Ro8 and not being a surprise.
It's the only group where I wouldn't be suprised if any of them made ro16. It doesn't have any obviously weaker 1-2 players like most ro32 groups. TY is of course the best, but the other three are decent enough to advance
i'm hopeful for soo to get out of his group, major and keen should be easy walkovers. hopefully he overcame his demons and can stomp evil rogue who took his blizzcon championship
On June 27 2018 15:16 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: (P)Zest chose (P)PartinG
Of all the players, why would Zest choose PartinG in his group? Even if Zest is confident in his PvsP, is PartinG really the weakest Protoss? PartinG is getting back into the game, but assuming he is not too old, he still has the potential mechanics and decision making of a previous champion.
I would think there are easier players for Zest to choose than PartinG.
On June 27 2018 22:23 Zeon0 wrote: Gogo estimate the chances of the foreigners!
0% for all 3.
Reynor is a tier below Ryung and 3 tiers below Classic and sOs. SpeCial is a tier below KeeN, 2 tiers below soO, and 3 tiers below Rogue. Neeb actually has a decent group, especially since aLive doesn't have a particularly good TvP result in months (his record since April is like 2-10 against players with a pulse), but if Neeb is losing to Silky even factoring in cross server issues and maybe having a bad day, he's in awful form.
On June 27 2018 22:23 Zeon0 wrote: Gogo estimate the chances of the foreigners!
0% for all 3.
Reynor is a tier below Ryung and 3 tiers below Classic and sOs. SpeCial is a tier below KeeN, 2 tiers below soO, and 3 tiers below Rogue. Neeb actually has a decent group, especially since aLive doesn't have a particularly good TvP result in months (his record since April is like 2-10 against players with a pulse), but if Neeb is losing to Silky even factoring in cross server issues and maybe having a bad day, he's in awful form.
Calling Special a tier below Keen is bold.
In general yes, although KeeN's last Ro32 performances were very impressive and it was a shame he didn't make it either time.
I think group H is really strong since KeeN has shown strong performances in the GSL recently. Although I still think that it's hard to establish a group of death in ro32 since you're bound to have the "weaker" players spread out a bit more.
Also this is really becoming like ASL with FlaSh lol; Maru is in all the trailers
soo gonna crush special. parting gonna crush byunn(poor byun). ive seen games where reynor beat gumiho., but whether he makes it out or not he has to be proud. this gsl is pretty stacked.
I'm pulling for Parting so hard for no other reason than he makes ro 16 drafting hilarious. I'm also hoping SoS gets to at least ro4 because I feel to get to Blizzcon he at least needs that + a round of 4 in the second super tournament to qualify.
On June 28 2018 01:05 Cricketer12 wrote: Stats is dead in the water isnt he
What's wrong with Stats? His group isn't the easiest but he should still definitely make it out. Inno is the only real threat to him and even then I'd say it's 50/50.
Hurricane's PvP is good but he has a weak mentality. He's basically the definition of a ladder hero, strong online and weak offline. Cure in his prime was very impressive, but that was also a very long time ago. Neither have much of a chance against Stats, so it's just whether he gets out in 1st or 2nd.
Dark horses this season are sOs and Inno. Both of them are being overlooked because their recent performances have been unspectacular, and both have a long track record of peaking around this time every year. sOs has the JAGW effect going for him, while Inno bought the rights to Season 3.
On June 28 2018 01:05 Cricketer12 wrote: Stats is dead in the water isnt he
Cure is barely relevant anymore, I can't even remember the last time he was in GSL. It's been at least a year, if not two.
Cure was literally in the last GSL held, he took a series off of soO in it and has been doing well online.
Ok, you got me there. My bad. Perhaps Cure isn't quite as irrelevant as I thought.
Though, I still wouldn't bet on Cure over Stats/Inno. He missed three seasons of GSL before the last one, and losing to soO in TvZ (pre-Raven nerf no less) doesn't say much for him. Maybe if Maru takes a vacation and lets Cure borrow all his skill or something.
On June 28 2018 11:30 swissman777 wrote: Now I dont get why he chose parting. Cant he choose hurricane or someone who has less class? Who knows how good parting would get in a month.
Hurricane is known for his PvP.
On June 29 2018 09:56 KaiserCommander wrote: Wasn't Bunny retired?
Feels weird not predicting Inno, but Cure played really well last Code S, and I think he can make it. Should be a fantastic round of 32. I think Leenock, herO, Hurricane, and aLive all also have a shot at making it out.
On June 27 2018 18:41 inken wrote: Poll: How many zergs will make it to ro8?
a) 0. b) 0. c) 1 (maybe).
Rogue is guaranteed, he is the most solid player in the world. Maru basically just cheesed him out in their match otherwise he would have lost. And I would say Dark makes it this time around as well.
On June 27 2018 18:41 inken wrote: Poll: How many zergs will make it to ro8?
a) 0. b) 0. c) 1 (maybe).
Rogue is guaranteed, he is the most solid player in the world. Maru basically just cheesed him out in their match otherwise he would have lost. And I would say Dark makes it this time around as well.
As opposed to their Katowice series where Rogue played standard in the first two games and lost, then allin'd three times in a row to win?
And iirc Maru opened 2-1-1 in four out of those five games. The only game which could be considered cheesy was the hellion drop.
On June 27 2018 18:41 inken wrote: Poll: How many zergs will make it to ro8?
a) 0. b) 0. c) 1 (maybe).
Rogue is guaranteed, he is the most solid player in the world. Maru basically just cheesed him out in their match otherwise he would have lost. And I would say Dark makes it this time around as well.
As opposed to their Katowice series where Rogue played standard in the first two games and lost, then allin'd three times in a row to win?
And iirc Maru opened 2-1-1 in four out of those five games. The only game which could be considered cheesy was the hellion drop.
it's silly to even talk about who cheesed more with players at that level. they're both elite, top 5 players. if they cheese it's because of their understanding of the meta, not "hurdur their macro sucks," this isn't NA ladder
Group A - Classic, sOs advance Group B - Maru, Leenock advance Group C - Innovation, Stats advance Group D - GuMiGod, herO advance Group E - ByuN, Zest advance Group F - TY, Trap advance Group G - Dark, aLive advance Group H - Rogue, soO advance
Round of 16 Group A - Maru, Leenock, Dark, aLive, Dark, Maru advance. Group B - TY, herO, ByuN, Stats Stats, TY advance. Group C - Classic, Trap, soO, Rogue Rogue, soO advance. Group D - Zest, GuMiho, sOs, INnoVation INnoVation, sOs advance.
Round of 8 Dark vs. TY Dark, 3-1 Stats vs. Maru Stats, 3-2 Rogue vs. sOs Rogue, 3-0 INnoVation vs. soO INnoVation, 3-1
Round of 4 Dark vs. Stats Dark, 4-2 Rogue vs. INnoVation Rogue, 4-1
On June 27 2018 18:41 inken wrote: Poll: How many zergs will make it to ro8?
a) 0. b) 0. c) 1 (maybe).
Rogue is guaranteed, he is the most solid player in the world. Maru basically just cheesed him out in their match otherwise he would have lost. And I would say Dark makes it this time around as well.
As opposed to their Katowice series where Rogue played standard in the first two games and lost, then allin'd three times in a row to win?
And iirc Maru opened 2-1-1 in four out of those five games. The only game which could be considered cheesy was the hellion drop.
If you consider Rogue's 90 drone Ling bane muta push an "all-in" then every game Maru won in both series was an allin.
On June 27 2018 18:41 inken wrote: Poll: How many zergs will make it to ro8?
a) 0. b) 0. c) 1 (maybe).
Rogue is guaranteed, he is the most solid player in the world. Maru basically just cheesed him out in their match otherwise he would have lost. And I would say Dark makes it this time around as well.
As opposed to their Katowice series where Rogue played standard in the first two games and lost, then allin'd three times in a row to win?
And iirc Maru opened 2-1-1 in four out of those five games. The only game which could be considered cheesy was the hellion drop.
If you consider Rogue's 90 drone Ling bane muta push an "all-in" then every game Maru won in both series was an allin.
If I remember right, Rogue did a nydus rush, a roach allin, and then a crazy 200 supply baneling attack. Maybe the last game wasn't technically allin if he had 90 drones, but spending all your money on banes and a-moving them into every base of your opponent isn't exactly the most conservative play. My point would stand anyway, claiming Maru only beats Rogue with cheese is wrong.
In the interview after that series Rogue even said himself that he started doing cheeses/crazy builds because he couldn't beat Maru in a standard game.
On June 27 2018 18:41 inken wrote: Poll: How many zergs will make it to ro8?
a) 0. b) 0. c) 1 (maybe).
Rogue is guaranteed, he is the most solid player in the world. Maru basically just cheesed him out in their match otherwise he would have lost. And I would say Dark makes it this time around as well.
As opposed to their Katowice series where Rogue played standard in the first two games and lost, then allin'd three times in a row to win?
And iirc Maru opened 2-1-1 in four out of those five games. The only game which could be considered cheesy was the hellion drop.
If you consider Rogue's 90 drone Ling bane muta push an "all-in" then every game Maru won in both series was an allin.
If I remember right, Rogue did a nydus rush, a roach allin, and then a crazy 200 supply baneling attack. Maybe the last game wasn't technically allin if he had 90 drones, but spending all your money on banes and a-moving them into every base of your opponent isn't exactly the most conservative play. My point would stand anyway, claiming Maru only beats Rogue with cheese is wrong.
In the interview after that series Rogue even said himself that he started doing cheeses/crazy builds because he couldn't beat Maru in a standard game.
Balance aside, comparing Maru vs Rogue at IEM and Maru vs Rogue in GSL illustrates how pros play around the meta perfectly. At IEM, Terran had the stronger lategame and thus Rogue was forced to end the game sooner, whereas the situation was reversed in GSL. Ironically, both times featured the race that was allegedly favored losing.
On June 28 2018 01:05 Cricketer12 wrote: Stats is dead in the water isnt he
Cure is barely relevant anymore, I can't even remember the last time he was in GSL. It's been at least a year, if not two.
Cure was literally in the last GSL held, he took a series off of soO in it and has been doing well online.
Ok, you got me there. My bad. Perhaps Cure isn't quite as irrelevant as I thought.
Though, I still wouldn't bet on Cure over Stats/Inno. He missed three seasons of GSL before the last one, and losing to soO in TvZ (pre-Raven nerf no less) doesn't say much for him. Maybe if Maru takes a vacation and lets Cure borrow all his skill or something.
You should watch the games instead of looking briefly at the liquipedia page and flame the player.
On June 28 2018 01:05 Cricketer12 wrote: Stats is dead in the water isnt he
Cure is barely relevant anymore, I can't even remember the last time he was in GSL. It's been at least a year, if not two.
Cure was literally in the last GSL held, he took a series off of soO in it and has been doing well online.
Ok, you got me there. My bad. Perhaps Cure isn't quite as irrelevant as I thought.
Though, I still wouldn't bet on Cure over Stats/Inno. He missed three seasons of GSL before the last one, and losing to soO in TvZ (pre-Raven nerf no less) doesn't say much for him. Maybe if Maru takes a vacation and lets Cure borrow all his skill or something.
You should watch the games instead of looking briefly at the liquipedia page and flame the player.
Wow, you're jumping on your high horse. Cute This group will be funny :D
Reynor might have a shot, he is the only foreigner I cheer for, the others should be in wcs.
According to Aligulac (7/9/18), the groups ordered by average score is as follows:
Group H (2522.75) hardest Group C (2518.25) ^ Group E (2512.50) | Group A (2501.25) | Group D (2500.25) | Group B (2463.75) | Group F (2455.50) v Group G (2453.25) easiest
On July 10 2018 01:05 the_techsan wrote: According to Aligulac (7/9/18), the groups ordered by average score is as follows:
Group H (2522.75) hardest Group C (2518.25) ^ Group E (2512.50) | Group A (2501.25) | Group D (2500.25) | Group B (2463.75) | Group F (2455.50) v Group G (2453.25) easiest
Interesting, I would say an average of the 2 medians would be more meaningful from the point of view of the weakest player in the group.
On July 10 2018 01:05 the_techsan wrote: According to Aligulac (7/9/18), the groups ordered by average score is as follows:
Group H (2522.75) hardest Group C (2518.25) ^ Group E (2512.50) | Group A (2501.25) | Group D (2500.25) | Group B (2463.75) | Group F (2455.50) v Group G (2453.25) easiest
Interesting, I would say an average of the 2 medians would be more meaningful from the point of view of the weakest player in the group.
Thanks, here is the average of 2 medians:
Group D (2650) Group E (2562.5) Group C (2543.5) Group A (2537) Group H (2518) Group G (2454) Group F (2430) Group B (2395)
So, all highly ranked players in group H, and one very low ranking player in Group D.
EPT
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Maru picked 
Zest chose 
Only group with 3 top players
