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Serral wins WCS Austin 2018 - Page 2

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Echoic_
Profile Joined April 2018
12 Posts
June 04 2018 14:37 GMT
#21
I would like to see how he fairs in GSL now. He's been dominant this year in tournaments outside of Korea.
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runn3r5uk
Profile Joined April 2018
13 Posts
June 04 2018 15:13 GMT
#22
i have to say this was well written. ive always considered mana a great player, i remember him beating idrA my all time fav and taking notice from then. I so wanted him to win. I did start to believe. It has definitely been the best starcraft ive seen in a long time, infact, all manas games were great to watch, really made the game look technical kinda makes me want to switch
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-04 15:29:32
June 04 2018 15:29 GMT
#23
On June 04 2018 14:09 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Huge props to mana. By far the most unexpected run I've seen in a long while

My thoughts exactly. Also Mana gained few pounds since I've seen him last time on big stage. (sorry)
Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States873 Posts
June 04 2018 15:46 GMT
#24
On June 05 2018 00:29 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2018 14:09 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Huge props to mana. By far the most unexpected run I've seen in a long while

My thoughts exactly. Also Mana gained few pounds since I've seen him last time on big stage. (sorry)


Yea, it looked like he gained at least 7-8 pounds of pure skill. Awesome run by him this tournament
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
June 04 2018 15:48 GMT
#25
On June 05 2018 00:46 Kitai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2018 00:29 nimdil wrote:
On June 04 2018 14:09 Clazziquai10 wrote:
Huge props to mana. By far the most unexpected run I've seen in a long while

My thoughts exactly. Also Mana gained few pounds since I've seen him last time on big stage. (sorry)


Yea, it looked like he gained at least 7-8 pounds of pure skill. Awesome run by him this tournament

Well said
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-04 15:58:42
June 04 2018 15:56 GMT
#26
Serral was always gonna be champion, but Mana was the real winner here
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
June 04 2018 16:28 GMT
#27
Serral is already all time top 3 foreigner in my opinion and by the far the most dominant during a period of time, but it feels like there's something missing to be above every other foreigner players.

Neeb has his Kespa Cup win for instance, but more than everything, Serral hasn't contribute to the meta like Stephano did at his peak.

At this rate, however, he will be foreigner GOAT no matter what thanks to his trophy haul.
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Veluvian
Profile Joined December 2011
Bulgaria256 Posts
June 04 2018 17:12 GMT
#28
We have witnessed a few finals for the last few days but I couldn't find any word about the last ASL champ. May be there is an article written but usually it is on top news in TL.net
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Jimmon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States112 Posts
June 04 2018 17:14 GMT
#29
I NEED A MANA FAN PAGE.
ASAP.

This man is a legend. Period. It can't be ignored anymore.
I love LOveRH
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
June 04 2018 17:17 GMT
#30
Dare I call him the B-word?

BONJWA
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Z3nith
Profile Joined October 2017
485 Posts
June 04 2018 17:26 GMT
#31
On June 05 2018 02:17 Lorning wrote:
Dare I call him the B-word?

BONJWA


No
franzji
Profile Joined September 2013
United States583 Posts
June 05 2018 00:58 GMT
#32
How can you say Serral is a top three foreigner of ALL TIME when Neeb's reign was 3 WCS's throughout the whole year, and so far Serral's is only two? do some quick maths.

Don't forget that that WCS where neeb only dropped like, 1 map. good times.
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
June 05 2018 08:17 GMT
#33
I think what makes Serral feel more dominant than Neeb is his dominance in the heads even of the other progamers. Everyone is afraid of facing him and when asked before the match most players say they expect serral to win against themselves and hope to take some maps atleast.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-06 01:00:23
June 05 2018 09:05 GMT
#34
With all the close games during the group stages Mana had, also against a uthermal who was struggling with pneumonia to some degree, I was quite surprised and impressed how much he turned it up in the playoffs.

On June 05 2018 09:58 youngjiddle wrote:
How can you say Serral is a top three foreigner of ALL TIME


Sure, I’d personally also wait a bit till making that kind of a statement.

when Neeb's reign was 3 WCS's throughout the whole year, and so far Serral's is only two? do some quick maths.


Though neeb went 17-11 and 18-8 in his first two WCS wins while Serral has gone 17-4 and 17-3 in his first two WCS, while being just as consistent in general. For example since the 4.0.0 patch he's 187-34 in maps, and 60-5 in bo3 or longer series against other foreigners. Neeb was clutch, while Serral has been dominant, so I can understand quite a bit of this hype.

Don't forget that that WCS where neeb only dropped like, 1 map. good times.


Actually neeb went 17-2 in the final WCS of the year after going 10-8 in the third one.
why even
Mambo
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark1338 Posts
June 05 2018 09:26 GMT
#35
Thx for spoilers. Next time also hide the featured news story when "hide spoilers" is enabled.
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Snarosc
Profile Joined January 2016
France66 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-05 09:45:40
June 05 2018 09:45 GMT
#36
While Serral looks absolutely dominating in WCS, i'd really like to see him try GSL.

So far, the only two tournament I can remember him playing koreans offline were :
- WESG where he got to the semis without facing any korean, and then suddenly loses 0-3 to the first Korean in Maru.
- IEM World Championship, lost 0-3 to Classic in the semis

He still has a lot to do to be compared to Neeb in terms of performance, who not only won 3 consecutive WCS, and finished in 3rd place of the 4th one, but also won Kespa cup on Korean ground + the Hangzhou carnival in China just a month ago beating Rogue & herO.

While Neeb has proven himself against Koreans, Serral needs to do it as well now that he has conquered the foreign scene. And with the skill he has displayed, it is certainly within his reach.
Stats is the best player of LotV.
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-06 00:56:39
June 05 2018 12:15 GMT
#37
On June 05 2018 18:45 Snarosc wrote:
While Serral looks absolutely dominating in WCS, i'd really like to see him try GSL.

So far, the only two tournament I can remember him playing koreans offline were :
- WESG where he got to the semis without facing any korean, and then suddenly loses 0-3 to the first Korean in Maru.
- IEM World Championship, lost 0-3 to Classic in the semis

- WESG where he then beat Classic 3-1 in the 3rd place match.
- IEM World Championship, won Rogue 2-1, Impact 2-0, Zest 2-0, Trap 3-2

He still has a lot to do to be compared to Neeb in terms of performance, who not only won 3 consecutive WCS, and finished in 3rd place of the 4th one, but also won Kespa cup on Korean ground + the Hangzhou carnival in China just a month ago beating Rogue & herO.

Won 2 consecutive (lost 19 games, Serral lost 7), finished 5-8th in the 3rd WCS, won 1 more*

While Neeb has proven himself against Koreans, Serral needs to do it as well now that he has conquered the foreign scene. And with the skill he has displayed, it is certainly within his reach.

I’d say Serral has proven himself against Koreans (with both him and neeb also having losses against them), but is still behind in overall accomplishments by roughly the amount of a very good performance in a Korean tournament, in 2-3 WCS tournaments and to some degree in a Blizzcon.
why even
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
June 05 2018 13:12 GMT
#38
On June 05 2018 21:15 D-light wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2018 18:45 Snarosc wrote:
While Serral looks absolutely dominating in WCS, i'd really like to see him try GSL.

So far, the only two tournament I can remember him playing koreans offline were :
- WESG where he got to the semis without facing any korean, and then suddenly loses 0-3 to the first Korean in Maru.
- IEM World Championship, lost 0-3 to Classic in the semis

- WESG where he then beat Classic 3-1 in the 3rd place match.
- IEM World Championship, won Rogue 2-1, Impact 2-0, Zest 2-0, Trap 3-2

Show nested quote +
He still has a lot to do to be compared to Neeb in terms of performance, who not only won 3 consecutive WCS, and finished in 3rd place of the 4th one, but also won Kespa cup on Korean ground + the Hangzhou carnival in China just a month ago beating Rogue & herO.

Won 2 consecutive (lost 19 games, Serral lost 7), finished 5-8th in the 3rd WCS, won 1 more*

Show nested quote +
While Neeb has proven himself against Koreans, Serral needs to do it as well now that he has conquered the foreign scene. And with the skill he has displayed, it is certainly within his reach.

I’d say Serral has proven himself against Koreans (with both him and neeb also having losses against them), but is still behind in overall accomplishments by roughly the amount of a very good performance in a Korean tournament, in 2-3 WCS tournaments and to some degree in a Blizzcon.


I agree. Right now, Serral is the best foreigner, no question, based on skill level and recent form, but overall Neeb is still above him all time based on accomplishments. I have no doubt Serral can match or even surpass Neeb's WCS dominance, but it's Neeb's Kespa Cup win that makes him still come ahead of Serral, IMO. Serral does, however, have the potential to surpass Neeb all time, unless Neeb returns to old form and suddenly decides to become dominant again.
Unikorn
Profile Joined September 2017
2 Posts
June 05 2018 16:29 GMT
#39
Neeb is still ahead in overall trophies / accomplishments, but Serral is more dominant than Neeb ever was. Right now, no foreigner has a chance against him in a best of 5+ series, whereas Neeb always looked at least somewhat vulnerable. Not to undermine the accomplishment, but Neeb won the Kespa cup off the back of his #1 in the world PvP at the time. He almost got eliminated by Pet (?) before getting only protosses. Had TY won his semifinal vs Stats, it would've been a different story.

Serral also seems to have the same weakness against top Korean terrans. I would like to see him go to Korea to train for a while and take a crack at GSL season 3 to maybe overcome that.
LTCM
Profile Joined May 2017
174 Posts
June 05 2018 22:50 GMT
#40
Serral isn't even the best foreigner of lotv so there's no way he's a top three foreigner of all time.
Byun is a convicted match-fixer.
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