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On April 10 2018 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 09:41 Boggyb wrote:On April 10 2018 09:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 10 2018 09:31 Boggyb wrote:On April 10 2018 09:24 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 10 2018 09:22 Boggyb wrote:On April 10 2018 09:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 10 2018 09:18 Charoisaur wrote:On April 10 2018 09:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 10 2018 09:10 Boggyb wrote:
Riddler using skins could force a rematch if he wins, right? Yup. Though since avilo has absolutely no deniability about "only noticing the skins at the last minute" hopefully we don't get another Scarlett scenario. If they're consistent there should be a rematch. Doesn't matter when avilo noticed it, in the Scarlett matched the skins had 0 impact on the outcome of the game either. Completely disagree. Asking for a rematch as soon as you notice is from a certain standpoint fair, whereas waiting until you get into a losing position is unsportsmanlike and warrants a disqualification. edit: Also avilo could get DQed for chatting after being warned. Sportsmanship is not a real thing. If the rules allows something, it is fair to exploit that. Sportsmanship is part of the rules, and the admins would be totally warranted for dinging people for it. Sportsmanship means not insulting your opponent. If the rules allow for a regame due to skins, it isn't unsportsmanlike to demand a regame. Waiting till after you've lost to demand it is just smart use of the rules. It is like fouling on the last possession in basketball when up 3 or throwing deep after an offsides call in football. The rules say: Players must pause the game and notify an administrator within 3 minutes of a nondefault
unit skin first visibly appearing in-game in order to request a re-game.
Tournament admins will use their discretion to determine whether a player had a
reasonable window to notice and report a disallowed skin. So this particular abuse is covered. Though in truth avilo could just have reported it as soon as the game started and gotten THERIDDLER a game loss. He logically has 3 minutes after each different non-standard skin is shown. Were the BCs using a different skin? avilo could have called for a re-game super late in the game if he wanted and knew the rules. Then the admins could just DQ avilo for failing to report every single previous instance of the skins, and he can fun trying to convince the admins that he only noticed the BC skin and not every single other skin. And that's if you go with the dubious reading of the rules that each non-standard skin is a new instance of the three minute timer.
Not all skins are equally a problem. e.g. Someone could theoretically not care about overlord skins but care about roach skins.
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:55 Boggyb wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 09:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 10 2018 09:41 Boggyb wrote:On April 10 2018 09:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 10 2018 09:31 Boggyb wrote:On April 10 2018 09:24 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 10 2018 09:22 Boggyb wrote:On April 10 2018 09:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On April 10 2018 09:18 Charoisaur wrote:On April 10 2018 09:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
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Yup. Though since avilo has absolutely no deniability about "only noticing the skins at the last minute" hopefully we don't get another Scarlett scenario. If they're consistent there should be a rematch. Doesn't matter when avilo noticed it, in the Scarlett matched the skins had 0 impact on the outcome of the game either. Completely disagree. Asking for a rematch as soon as you notice is from a certain standpoint fair, whereas waiting until you get into a losing position is unsportsmanlike and warrants a disqualification. edit: Also avilo could get DQed for chatting after being warned. Sportsmanship is not a real thing. If the rules allows something, it is fair to exploit that. Sportsmanship is part of the rules, and the admins would be totally warranted for dinging people for it. Sportsmanship means not insulting your opponent. If the rules allow for a regame due to skins, it isn't unsportsmanlike to demand a regame. Waiting till after you've lost to demand it is just smart use of the rules. It is like fouling on the last possession in basketball when up 3 or throwing deep after an offsides call in football. The rules say: Players must pause the game and notify an administrator within 3 minutes of a nondefault
unit skin first visibly appearing in-game in order to request a re-game.
Tournament admins will use their discretion to determine whether a player had a
reasonable window to notice and report a disallowed skin. So this particular abuse is covered. Though in truth avilo could just have reported it as soon as the game started and gotten THERIDDLER a game loss. He logically has 3 minutes after each different non-standard skin is shown. Were the BCs using a different skin? avilo could have called for a re-game super late in the game if he wanted and knew the rules. Then the admins could just DQ avilo for failing to report every single previous instance of the skins, and he can fun trying to convince the admins that he only noticed the BC skin and not every single other skin. And that's if you go with the dubious reading of the rules that each non-standard skin is a new instance of the three minute timer. Not all skins are equally a problem. e.g. Someone could theoretically not care about overlord skins but care about roach skins.
Rules still obligate you to report them--and you can hardly claim to have only noticed that one skin when their entire army is skinned.
I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to find a way to abuse the rules?
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Stephano Drogo being delayed till an hour before tomorrow's tourney.
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On April 10 2018 10:23 Boggyb wrote:
Stephano Drogo being delayed till an hour before tomorrow's tourney.
Given that the Clem vs Guru series lasted over 2:30 hours, that result is not surprising.
EDIT: Also, currently colttarren is casting the rest of the NA challenger. http://www.twitch.tv/colttarren
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On April 10 2018 11:28 FrkFrJss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2018 10:23 Boggyb wrote:
Stephano Drogo being delayed till an hour before tomorrow's tourney. Given that the Clem vs Guru series lasted over 2:30 hours, that result is not surprising.
1 hour before seems problematic. One golden armada vs. skyzerg game could blow through that entire window. It could also create issues with creating a bracket depending on when they throw that together. If the series lasts 45 minutes, will they be able to get out a bracket and whatever in less than 15 minutes? Are they both going to be in the bracket and the winner just forfeit because they've already qualified?
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Go Stephano ! They sould play that serie 2 hours before the start of today...
I hope Clem is feeling bettter than Yesterday.
Boggyb I think in bracket they will be a spot "loser of Stephano/Drogo"
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100% should be on your list of recommended games
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 Clem 2 - 0  Snute
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Snute is playing Namshar 5 matches away from qualifying in the lower bracket. That's insane. You can make an argument those are the two best players in this whole bracket.
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Norway839 Posts
at least there's double elim  could be worse
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Clem's playing ghost/lib rather than ghost/raven against Stephano. Is this a one-off, or did he also play ghost/lib in the earlier series (as a result of PTSD due to his series against Guru)?
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On April 11 2018 04:53 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Clem's playing ghost/lib rather than ghost/raven against Stephano. Is this a one-off, or did he also play ghost/lib in the earlier series (as a result of PTSD due to his series against Guru)?
He definitely did not make as many ravens as is advised in any of the games vs Guru yesterday,
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Am i mistaken when I think that Stephano still needs to complete the actual EU qualis to make it to Austin?
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On April 11 2018 06:44 vult wrote:
Am i mistaken when I think that Stephano still needs to complete the actual EU qualis to make it to Austin?
You're not. He qualified for the group stage. He needs to get through that and get to the top 4 to get a paid trip to Austin.
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Clem just qualified too. He can actually compete in WCS this year so I hope he can make it. Will be nice to see a new face for once
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On April 11 2018 04:33 Liquid`Snute wrote:at least there's double elim could be worse
Sorry you didn't qualify Snute. Good effort though.
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Also, seeing all these French players qualify, and Stephano's strong form both today and yesterday really adds to the narrative of just what a breakout Reynor had in Nation Wars. France has some great players.
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On April 11 2018 07:55 Myrddrael wrote:
Clem just qualified too. He can actually compete in WCS this year so I hope he can make it. Will be nice to see a new face for once
Ah, so Reynor's birthday is July 1st, so can he play in WCS qualifiers after that? He'll be 16.
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 11 2018 08:23 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2018 07:55 Myrddrael wrote:
Clem just qualified too. He can actually compete in WCS this year so I hope he can make it. Will be nice to see a new face for once Ah, so Reynor's birthday is July 1st, so can he play in WCS qualifiers after that? He'll be 16.
Yeah, he'll be able to play in Valencia and Montreal.
And looks like fourth time's the charm for DnS.
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