EPThttps://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/8b2x6s/regarding_my_game_vs_avilo_yesterday_response_to/
this is pretty stupid
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Charoisaur
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https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/8b2x6s/regarding_my_game_vs_avilo_yesterday_response_to/ this is pretty stupid | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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My body is ready. Blackpink should be harder to split than Backwater, but after seeing Clem and Guru split Abiogenesis, anything is possible. On April 10 2018 09:04 Charoisaur wrote: Apparently THERIDDLER got a warning from Blizzard for "intentionally prolonging the game" https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/8b2x6s/regarding_my_game_vs_avilo_yesterday_response_to/ this is pretty stupid Having seen the games I don't blame Blizzard. THERIDDLER could easily have finished the second game way sooner, and was definitely trolling. | ||
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Boggyb
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Charoisaur
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On April 10 2018 09:04 ZigguratOfUr wrote: My body is ready. Blackpink should be harder to split than Backwater, but after seeing Clem and Guru split Abiogenesis, anything is possible. Having seen the games I don't blame Blizzard. THERIDDLER could easily have finished the second game way sooner, and was definitely trolling. Well I haven't seen the games tbh. But in Raven vs Raven games it's really really hard to finish off the game | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:10 Boggyb wrote: Riddler using skins could force a rematch if he wins, right? Yup. Though since avilo has absolutely no deniability about "only noticing the skins at the last minute" hopefully we don't get another Scarlett scenario. | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 10 2018 09:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yup. Though since avilo has absolutely no deniability about "only noticing the skins at the last minute" hopefully we don't get another Scarlett scenario. He could just say "I had a hard time determining how many of X there were in a fight". | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:14 Boggyb wrote: He could just say "I had a hard time determining how many of X there were in a fight". Yeah, but the reason why Scarlett swindled her way into a re-game was partially because according to her she only noticed the roach skin when they burrowed at the end. Whereas here hopefully the admins will be very unsympathetic to avilo only complaining about the skins when he's about to lose. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On April 10 2018 09:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yup. Though since avilo has absolutely no deniability about "only noticing the skins at the last minute" hopefully we don't get another Scarlett scenario. If they're consistent there should be a rematch. Doesn't matter when avilo noticed it, in the Scarlett matched the skins had 0 impact on the outcome of the game either. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:18 Charoisaur wrote: If they're consistent there should be a rematch. Doesn't matter when avilo noticed it, in the Scarlett matched the skins had 0 impact on the outcome of the game either. Completely disagree. Asking for a rematch as soon as you notice is from a certain standpoint fair, whereas waiting until you get into a losing position is unsportsmanlike and warrants a disqualification. edit: Also avilo could get DQed for chatting after being warned. | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 10 2018 09:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Completely disagree. Asking for a rematch as soon as you notice is from a certain standpoint fair, whereas waiting until you get into a losing position is unsportsmanlike and warrants a disqualification. edit: Also avilo could get DQed for chatting after being warned. Sportsmanship is not a real thing. If the rules allows something, it is fair to exploit that. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:22 Boggyb wrote: Sportsmanship is not a real thing. If the rules allows something, it is fair to exploit that. Sportsmanship is part of the rules, and the admins would be totally warranted for dinging people for it. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On April 10 2018 09:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Completely disagree. Asking for a rematch as soon as you notice is from a certain standpoint fair, whereas waiting until you get into a losing position is unsportsmanlike and warrants a disqualification. edit: Also avilo could get DQed for chatting after being warned. How can you not notice the Roaches have skins though? avilo can also just say he didn't notice it until the end. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:24 Charoisaur wrote: How can you not notice the Roaches have skins though? avilo can also just say he didn't notice it until the end. The opponent didn't build many of them iirc, and it's only when they burrowed that Scarlett called it (since I think they look more different then). So at least Scarlett had plausible deniability, whereas THERIDDLER's entire army is skinned. | ||
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Charoisaur
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Nakajin
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:28 Charoisaur wrote: Good that avilo shows sportsmanship and doesn't demand a rematch. He knows he can't beat a(n alleged) maphacker on map that isn't as shitty and linear as Backwater. Also pretty sure we'll get more drama when Blizzard warns/sanctions avilo for chatting despite the warning. | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 10 2018 09:24 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Sportsmanship is part of the rules, and the admins would be totally warranted for dinging people for it. Sportsmanship means not insulting your opponent. If the rules allow for a regame due to skins, it isn't unsportsmanlike to demand a regame. Waiting till after you've lost to demand it is just smart use of the rules. It is like fouling on the last possession in basketball when up 3 or throwing deep after an offsides call in football. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:31 Boggyb wrote: Sportsmanship means not insulting your opponent. If the rules allow for a regame due to skins, it isn't unsportsmanlike to demand a regame. Waiting till after you've lost to demand it is just smart use of the rules. It is like fouling on the last possession in basketball when up 3 or throwing deep after an offsides call in football. The rules say: Players must pause the game and notify an administrator within 3 minutes of a nondefault unit skin first visibly appearing in-game in order to request a re-game. Tournament admins will use their discretion to determine whether a player had a reasonable window to notice and report a disallowed skin. So this particular abuse is covered. Though in truth avilo could just have reported it as soon as the game started and gotten THERIDDLER a game loss. | ||
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Boggyb
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On April 10 2018 09:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote: The rules say: So this particular abuse is covered. Though in truth avilo could just have reported it as soon as the game started and gotten THERIDDLER a game loss. He logically has 3 minutes after each different non-standard skin is shown. Were the BCs using a different skin? avilo could have called for a re-game super late in the game if he wanted and knew the rules. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
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On April 10 2018 09:41 Boggyb wrote: He logically has 3 minutes after each different non-standard skin is shown. Were the BCs using a different skin? avilo could have called for a re-game super late in the game if he wanted and knew the rules. Then the admins could just DQ avilo for failing to report every single previous instance of the skins, and he can fun trying to convince the admins that he only noticed the BC skin and not every single other skin. And that's if you go with the dubious reading of the rules that each non-standard skin is a new instance of the three minute timer. | ||
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