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WCS Montreal 2017 - The Final Trial

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WCS Montreal 2017 - The Final Trial

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September 7th, 2017 06:30 GMT

WCS Montreal
The Challenger Tier
The Contenders
The Champions
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WCS Montreal



As the last WCS Circuit event of the year, WCS Montreal stands as many players' final trial before either moving onwards to the golden gates of Blizzcon or down into the figurative hell of a hiatus likely to last a few months. Many will be judged by how they perform here, and only one or two players can truly seize the opportunity for glory when the stakes are at their highest. Three tiers of players are present at WCS Montreal. Firstly, the challengers: good players who have yet to prove themselves this year and require a significantly unlikely series of events to make Blizzcon. Secondly, the contenders: players who are almost certainly going to be present at Blizzcon and instead are searching for a championship which has so far eluded them. Lastly are the two champions who are largely allowed to sit and wait as the peasants bicker and fight among themselves. They have far greater challenges on the horizon.

The Challenger Tier



Despite her ability to routinely score awe-inspiring upsets, entertaining games and great runs, (Z)Scarlett has never won a premier tournament. Yet, considering the hometown crowd and the memories of both her upset over Nerchio last year and her run at WCS Canada which started it all, there might be no better time for her to win her first ever premier title. Otherwise, it's a closed chapter to a fairly disappointing year.

One of the many surprising players to emerge from a smaller region this year is (P)Probe, who came onto the scene with two very strange tournaments (DH Winter and DH Leipzig) last year before largely sputtering out. However, he put together a very strong run at Valencia, and eliminated PtitDrogo at Austin as well. It's still going to take a significant boost in skill to make a run at Montreal, but it'll be interesting to see him try.

(T)uThermal had potential. Ever since 2014 the Dutch Terran has had great potential, and while 2016 showcased that to its fullest with his championship in Shanghai, 2017 has showcased that in its worst possible light. He's failed to make a single round of eight, and his best shot was promptly halted 3-0 by Kelazhur, securing his place as no longer the best foreign terran. WCS Montreal finds him at his lowest point in quite a while, facing the daunting odds of having to win or going home for the rest of the year with bitterness in his mouth.

(P)PtitDrogo, similar to uThermal, was a promising upstart a few years ago who grew into prominence with a surprising tournament win last year — in Drogo's case, Dreamhack Leipzig. While he did manage to go to Blizzcon last year, despite faltering in the qualifiers for the WCS Mexico event, he too hasn't grown too far this year. His only Ro8 — just like uThermal — came in Jönköping and was promptly shut down shortly after. PtitDrogo has unfortunately faltered when the moment is at its most essential, and WCS Montreal is his most essential moment of the year.

Despite (Z)iAsonu's absolutely confusing and often times awe-inspiring performances in Korea, beating GuMiho and Stats at IEM Shanghai and putting up a better performance against INnoVation than anyone would've expected in GSL vs the World, his WCS results have yet to match his upset potential elsewhere. Still, a round of four (and especially a finals) could be enough to shove him into Blizzcon as a very interesting dark horse.

(Z)Cham is another strange player from a smaller region, seizing the crown of the small-region upstarts when he eliminated Probe to make the round of eight at Austin. He stands far closer to Blizzcon than anyone would expect. While a round of eight repeat would technically move him into spot number eight, getting to the semifinals would give him a far more realistic shot, and edge him ahead of TRUE; the person who knocked him out of Austin, funnily enough.

Perhaps the most interesting player of the entire event to watch is (P)ShoWTimE. His failure in 2017 was utterly shocking, the tale of a champion declined; from being potentially the best foreigner of the year prior to being someone several steps away from even participating at Blizzcon. Yet, unlike other people who have faltered this year, ShoWTimE isn't surrendering; he comes into WCS Montreal as the dominating victor of the European Regionals, with the wind at his back and the crown in his sights. This is do-or-die. One tournament run, ending either in soul-crushing disappointment or glorious conquest. There is no in between.

(Z)TRUE is the only person likely to go to Blizzcon from this tier, and his path to the Global Finals has been quite interesting. Contrasted against last year, where he made one amazing run at WCS Montreal to secure the champion's seed, this year it's been death-by-a-thousand-solid-runs. Outside of Jönköping, he's made two semifinal berths and largely looked in great form. As long as he makes the playoffs he should feel fairly comfortable, but all it takes is a couple of upsets and suddenly a good year looks like an awful one. Such is the fate of those who live in chaos.


The Contenders



It's easy to forget that (Z)Nerchio is still one of the greatest foreigners around. His strong start at Austin and consistency afterwards have placed him solidly as the current 4th seed for Blizzcon. That being said, all of his most memorable moments are negative. His failure to conquer his ShoWTimE-esque demons against Neeb. His near loss to TIME at Jönköping. His series against Dark in GSL vs The World, which began with him going down 0-2 in approximately three minutes. This past year has been nothing but hauntings by ghosts for Nerchio. Tournament after tournament, month after month, of narrow defeats and fiery bluster ending in the bitter feeling that things could have gotten better. To still be standing as the 4th seed after all of that is honestly confusing; everyone else in this category could see their momentum fade away. Nerchio is perhaps the only person who has nothing to lose from a storyline context, but is also going to head to Blizzcon regardless of his result here, a position of utter freedom.

(Z)Snute, while not being as drastic a case as ShoWTimE, has still made a surprising decline this year. Last year he was a contender for the best foreigner until the bitter end, a paragon of consistency with a great championship at WCS Mexico. This year, he's been bordering on disaster, saved only by a near-miracle at WCS Valencia — which promptly ended with a heart-breaking reversal against Elazer, up 3-1. Snute is still the man of steel, unable to ever be doubted, above being discouraged, marching forwards no matter what, but WCS Montreal will certainly be a trial. Similar to TRUE, a playoff berth will all but promise him a spot at Blizzcon, and even if he falters, there's a good chance he will attend no matter what. Still, this is a great opportunity to rewind time and remind the world that — despite the competition — Snute remains one of the greatest foreigners of all time.

Of all the young men from faraway lands to become known this year — Cham, iAsonu, TIME, Probe — (T)Kelazhur is certainly the greatest of all. He's definitely been known prior, specifically as a player with underrated potential whose skill didn't quite translate offline yet, but 2017 was a magnificent step forward in that regard. He's made two round of eights and a semifinals, and has a Blizzcon spot essentially certain. As a result, WCS Montreal wouldn't be too significant, except; there's a contest which matters more for Kelazhur. It's the battle for best foreigner terran, as well as best Latin American player, a battle he's been waging with SpeCial/MajOr for the greater part of this past year, coming to a head at their fatal showdown in GSL vs The World. That was a punch to the stomach for Kelazhur's brilliance, and Montreal is his one true shot to prove himself superior.

Of course, that GSL vs The World bloodbath means that SpeCial is almost certainly the best foreign terran currently. It's a title with historically little meaning, but SpeCial earns it regardless, and earns it by being immensely consistent. During Austin and Jönköping he was only stopped by a transcendant Neeb, and he promptly beat him — the only person to beat him all year in a WCS Bo5 — in Valencia. Of course he ended up disappointing hard against Snute, which must leave him with a certain sting. There's a disappointment which comes when you get a good result you knew could've been better, and for SpeCial, Valencia was that almost-seized crown jewel. WCS Montreal would make a fitting replacement, and seal SpeCial as likely the second best foreigner of the year; however, if he falters, Kelazhur is hot on his heels, and he could quickly see his success dampened.

(Z)Serral is the prince of WCS, and the Kingdom sits in his lap. He broke out in Jönköping, utterly crushing Elazer to become, at the time, the best foreign zerg. His following best-of-seven showdown with Neeb showcased his talents every bit as much, proving that he is beyond any doubt one of the most talented players in the scene currently. Then Valencia came. Not bad, surely, but to see him lose to TRUE before facing an anticipated rematch with Elazer came as a bit of a shock. The same feeling of near-disappointment came against ByuN in GSL vs the World, leaving viewers with the sickening feeling of an oncoming storm. Not one predicted, nor seen on the weather channels, but seen in looming grey clouds. They could part and Serral could go on to prove himself with another great run at Montreal, or they could disrupt what has otherwise been a near-coronation of a year, rendering Serral a whole lot less comfortable come Blizzcon.


The Champions



If Neeb is the King, and Serral is the Prince, it's impossible to find a title which quite fits the utter bewilderment that is (Z)Elazer. Last year's Blizzcon was far from predictive for many players. PtitDrogo is unlikely to return, Snute is still an absolute monster, ShoWTimE is no longer an elite player, and Neeb didn't even falter slightly in his return to the WCS circuit — he's also no longer called Neeblet anymore, thank god. However, for Elazer, it really was. Everyone's eyes were on Nerchio, ShoWTimE, Neeb and Snute to represent the foreign scene, and while they certainly proved their elite status, it was Elazer who was the last to stand. Not only that, but he did so by eliminating fan favorite Nerchio and utterly demolishing ShoWTimE. He was the king who was never meant to be, the boy three or four degrees of separation away from the succession line who managed to sit on the throne regardless. At Austin, Elazer lost in the Regionals to Bly and didn't even attend the event. He wasn't even there. He didn't even have the chance to lose. At Jönköping he made a resounding loser's bracket run over SortOf, Snute, the previously deadly Bly, ShoWTimE, prior idol Nerchio and somehow-amazing Namshar to make the finals of the European regionals and subsequently qualify for the event. He could've very easily lost to Snute and been out again, and just another blip on the radar. Another uThermal. Another PtitDrogo. Another ShoWTimE. Another flash in the pan, momentary zerg. But he went to Jönköping, made the semifinals, and then followed that up with an astonishing comeback against Snute to win Valencia. Elazer is the champion which should've, and easily could've, never happened at all. Born from the blood and sweat of the newly found WCS system, and working his way to being the single best zerg in all of WCS.

However, there's still one player greater, and to anyone who followed the foreign scene recently it shouldn't be surprising to see (P)Neeb at the absolute top. He crushed Austin, winning the Regionals and the main event. He crushed Jönköping. He had a strong run at Valencia and nearly won that as well. Adding to this his achievements last year, and you have someone who has appeared in five premier finals, won three of them, and has consistently looked to be one of the greatest foreigners of the scene. The King of North America. The only foreigner in Starcraft 2 to win a tournament on Korean soil. The American hero. WCS Montreal is a chance for Neeb to return home and do what he does best; he has no stake in this game. While everyone else is battling over WCS seeds, over pride, over whether or not they'll be at Blizzcon at all, Neeb has already won. He could forfeit every match for the tournament and still be the first seed of WCS going into Blizzcon. He could retire right now and still be the only North American to appear in a Premier final since Scarlett in 2013, and the only one to win a Premier title since IdrA in 2011. As of right now, he has as many championships as the rest of America combined. He doesn't need anything else to be great. Neeb is a youngster and a veteran. An upstart and a champion. The bright star in the long-standing dark of North America, and, for literally every second of this WCS circuit, the best foreigner in the world.



Credits:
Writers: Soularion.
Graphics: shiroiusagi.
Stats: Aligulac

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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-07 06:38:52
September 07 2017 06:36 GMT
#2
Maybe the last wcs event before Clem's reign ( If wcs rules are still 16 ).

We should all enjoy.


E : iAsonu will not attend.
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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
September 07 2017 06:40 GMT
#3
Pretty good preview, the part at the end about Neeb was pretty great, and thank god he gave up on Neeblet...
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 07 2017 06:49 GMT
#4
On September 07 2017 15:40 starkiller123 wrote:
Pretty good preview, the part at the end about Neeb was pretty great, and thank god he gave up on Neeblet...


The Neeblet think wasn't something he chose iirc. He was using an account named Neeblet, and someone from production asked him if they could call him that on the overlay to match the account, and Neeb didn't really care so they rolled with it.
maitiky
Profile Joined November 2016
Czech Republic54 Posts
September 07 2017 07:29 GMT
#5
Very nice preview. I'll be rooting for ShoWTimE to win the whole thing. It would be amazing. But I guess odds are against him...
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Icarus2
Profile Joined March 2017
China109 Posts
September 07 2017 08:42 GMT
#6
So sad thai iAsonu will not attend.
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1196 Posts
September 07 2017 09:08 GMT
#7
Looking at the WCS points, it seems this should be Serral's time to take the trophy. I really hope he will as it's been a long time coming.
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ShAd_1337
Profile Joined January 2016
Germany1042 Posts
September 07 2017 10:42 GMT
#8
i still believe in showtime!! with some luck ( no true or snute deep-run etc. ) a final is enough for blizzcon i believe
I like Dark
Rolltide
Profile Joined May 2017
United States447 Posts
September 07 2017 11:32 GMT
#9
Showtime is my guy. Too good a player to not be at Blizzcon. Drogo is my #2 choice.
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
September 07 2017 11:55 GMT
#10
On September 07 2017 15:36 DieuCure wrote:
Maybe the last wcs event before Clem's reign ( If wcs rules are still 16 ).

We should all enjoy.


E : iAsonu will not attend.

I swear to god if I had $5 for every time a chinese player cancelled a day or two before an event and invalidated a preview of mine I'd be a rich man.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 07 2017 12:04 GMT
#11
On September 07 2017 20:55 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2017 15:36 DieuCure wrote:
Maybe the last wcs event before Clem's reign ( If wcs rules are still 16 ).

We should all enjoy.


E : iAsonu will not attend.

I swear to god if I had $5 for every time a chinese player cancelled a day or two before an event and invalidated a preview of mine I'd be a rich man.

I don't think you write that many previews
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
September 07 2017 12:32 GMT
#12
Let's do this Showtime!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
September 07 2017 12:51 GMT
#13
Super hype for this!
I wonder if someone can take down Neeb this time.
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
September 07 2017 13:07 GMT
#14
ITS THE FINAL COUNTDOWN TUDUDUDUDU TUDUDUTUTUTUDUTUDUTUUTUTUTUTTUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU TUTUTUTUUUUUUUUUUU
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Mizconout
Profile Joined August 2016
49 Posts
September 07 2017 13:25 GMT
#15
Thanks for the awesome post.
DudeMan260
Profile Joined February 2017
United States17 Posts
September 07 2017 14:20 GMT
#16
Scarlett is definitely using Zerg for this tournament? Or is that just liquipedia being liquipedia?
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hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland931 Posts
September 07 2017 14:34 GMT
#17
On September 07 2017 18:08 Azhrak wrote:
Looking at the WCS points, it seems this should be Serral's time to take the trophy. I really hope he will as it's been a long time coming.


And they call us writers biased...
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Synchrx
Profile Joined September 2017
United Kingdom29 Posts
September 07 2017 14:46 GMT
#18
I feel like TRUE is just going to go full beast and swipe this from everyone, would be nice to see a Scarlett win on home turf though. Excited to watch, just gotten back into SC2 a couple weeks ago after 1-2 years of not paying attention to the scene. I've missed it! <3
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Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States704 Posts
September 07 2017 16:05 GMT
#19
Great article. I'll be rooting for Showtime and Kelazhur.
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
September 07 2017 16:19 GMT
#20
On September 08 2017 01:05 ZombieGrub wrote:
Great article. I'll be rooting for Showtime and Kelazhur.

How about for me, I participate in all of your tournaments
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4948 Posts
September 07 2017 16:35 GMT
#21
MaSa is on fire right now and he is one of the few can stand toe to toe vs Neeb
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
September 07 2017 17:11 GMT
#22
It's that time of year, tensions running high and Blizzcon spots being locked down.

Though it is rather unfortunate that WCS Montreal has to start at the same time the GSL semifinals are on. With all due respect to the foreign players, a Bo7 between INnoVation and Dark far outshines any show they can put on.
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
September 07 2017 17:34 GMT
#23
On September 08 2017 02:11 pvsnp wrote:
It's that time of year, tensions running high and Blizzcon spots being locked down.

Though it is rather unfortunate that WCS Montreal has to start at the same time the GSL semifinals are on. With all due respect to the foreign players, a Bo7 between INnoVation and Dark far outshines any show they can put on.


This event doesn't conflict with GSL at all, you might be confused with WESG?
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
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Last Edited: 2017-09-07 17:37:39
September 07 2017 17:37 GMT
#24
To be clear, GSL will be done a few hours before the 2nd day of Montreal starts.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
September 07 2017 18:18 GMT
#25
On September 08 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
To be clear, GSL will be done a few hours before the 2nd day of Montreal starts.

My bad, misread the times.
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1875 Posts
September 07 2017 18:19 GMT
#26
On September 08 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
To be clear, GSL will be done a few hours before the 2nd day of Montreal starts.


Challenge and Montreal will overlap, though.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
September 07 2017 19:05 GMT
#27
On September 08 2017 03:19 mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
To be clear, GSL will be done a few hours before the 2nd day of Montreal starts.


Challenge and Montreal will overlap, though.

I think all 15 people who watch SSL Challenge will manage coping with this fact.
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
September 07 2017 19:05 GMT
#28
(Wiki)
On September 08 2017 02:11 pvsnp wrote:
It's that time of year, tensions running high and Blizzcon spots being locked down.

Though it is rather unfortunate that WCS Montreal has to start at the same time the GSL semifinals are on. With all due respect to the foreign players, a Bo7 between INnoVation and Dark far outshines any show they can put on.


Exaggeration, INno vs Dark isn't a Cure match, it's good enough, but really predictable considering dark s results and plays.
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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
September 07 2017 20:33 GMT
#29
On September 07 2017 23:20 DudeMan260 wrote:
Scarlett is definitely using Zerg for this tournament? Or is that just liquipedia being liquipedia?

I have no clue. She's flipped between Zerg and Protoss a lot, so I think it's possible she flips between the two at DH too. That being said, he zerg seems to be pretty inconsistent, so maybe going for the hail mary surprise protoss could be a good thing.

Scarlett is probably the second biggest storyline of the event, personally- only behind ShoWTimE and his last chance to really salvage his year. Going to be great to see how she does.
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FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
September 07 2017 20:45 GMT
#30
On September 08 2017 02:11 pvsnp wrote:
It's that time of year, tensions running high and Blizzcon spots being locked down.

Though it is rather unfortunate that WCS Montreal has to start at the same time the GSL semifinals are on. With all due respect to the foreign players, a Bo7 between INnoVation and Dark far outshines any show they can put on.

We say this, and then it's a 4-0 slaughter...

In the matches I've watched, I've been far more disappointed with KvK matchups than FvF matchups....though that may be because my expectations are higher.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
September 07 2017 22:44 GMT
#31
On September 08 2017 05:45 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 02:11 pvsnp wrote:
It's that time of year, tensions running high and Blizzcon spots being locked down.

Though it is rather unfortunate that WCS Montreal has to start at the same time the GSL semifinals are on. With all due respect to the foreign players, a Bo7 between INnoVation and Dark far outshines any show they can put on.

We say this, and then it's a 4-0 slaughter...

In the matches I've watched, I've been far more disappointed with KvK matchups than FvF matchups....though that may be because my expectations are higher.

I think it's because Koreans make fewer mistakes. So whomever makes the first significant mistake just loses outright. On the other hand, foreigners make enough mistakes that a single one doesn't spell instant death and so we get more back-and-forth games.

Just my hypothesis.
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EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
September 07 2017 23:14 GMT
#32
On September 08 2017 01:35 Argonauta wrote:
MaSa is on fire right now and he is one of the few can stand toe to toe vs Neeb


Agreed, no one should under estimate MaSa especially on Canadian soil.

Frostbite did a nice summary of his year so far:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/525661-masas-recent-tear-through-the-scene
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DudeMan260
Profile Joined February 2017
United States17 Posts
September 07 2017 23:16 GMT
#33
On September 08 2017 05:33 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2017 23:20 DudeMan260 wrote:
Scarlett is definitely using Zerg for this tournament? Or is that just liquipedia being liquipedia?

I have no clue. She's flipped between Zerg and Protoss a lot, so I think it's possible she flips between the two at DH too. That being said, he zerg seems to be pretty inconsistent, so maybe going for the hail mary surprise protoss could be a good thing.

Scarlett is probably the second biggest storyline of the event, personally- only behind ShoWTimE and his last chance to really salvage his year. Going to be great to see how she does.


She's consistently making ro32 in GSL. I feel like she puts up tremendously good games. With her playing Protoss, im really uncertain as to where she will place. A Masters player can take out a GM offracing with a solid timing attack. I feel like her best chance in a foreign tournament is to stick to Zerg.

The only thing I heard about her switch was that her ZvZ is what she isn't confident about. I dont follow her streams or anything so this is purely hearsay. With all the Zerg presence in this tournament, maybe it would be safer to play Protoss. I'd like to see her get at least to the Semi's. Best of luck to her though, Scarlett is definitely fighting hard.

As always, sending a prayer out for Snute.
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FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
September 07 2017 23:50 GMT
#34
On September 08 2017 07:44 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 05:45 FrkFrJss wrote:
On September 08 2017 02:11 pvsnp wrote:
It's that time of year, tensions running high and Blizzcon spots being locked down.

Though it is rather unfortunate that WCS Montreal has to start at the same time the GSL semifinals are on. With all due respect to the foreign players, a Bo7 between INnoVation and Dark far outshines any show they can put on.

We say this, and then it's a 4-0 slaughter...

In the matches I've watched, I've been far more disappointed with KvK matchups than FvF matchups....though that may be because my expectations are higher.

I think it's because Koreans make fewer mistakes. So whomever makes the first significant mistake just loses outright. On the other hand, foreigners make enough mistakes that a single one doesn't spell instant death and so we get more back-and-forth games.

Just my hypothesis.


It is true that they tend to make less mistakes, but I'm thinking about all the onesided matches that I've watched between two top level players. Or the games where they just make an absurd amount of mistakes and it really seems like a foreigner is playing.

It doesn't really disappoint me when two Koreans are in a tight battle so that whoever makes the first mistake loses, as that really only happens in TvT and ZvZ. I think in PvT, PvZ, and TvZ, there's a lot more volatility, and one mistake does not always spell the end (except for doom drops, oracles, adepts..)

For me it's when a high level player (generally Protoss) just plays abysmally versus someone that I think he should have a good chance against and gets like 3-0ed or something. Though, I have also seen T and Z players occasionally demonstrate this versus each other.


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KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
September 08 2017 00:15 GMT
#35
On September 08 2017 03:19 mizenhauer wrote:
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On September 08 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
To be clear, GSL will be done a few hours before the 2nd day of Montreal starts.


Challenge and Montreal will overlap, though.


I can't believe people are still in the dark ages. These days, if I'm watching starcraft, it's got to be 2-3 streams going at the same time (unless it's GSL-quality) or I get bored and actually want to play the game myelf.

-> Here in North America, most of us have at minimum three monitors with stereo audio. For those who can listen to two people talking at the same time about different subjects but within a limited context, you have no problem watching 2 games at the same time.

And if you don't, you can run two windows of twitch.tv side by side on the same screen. Even 1600x900 will be enough.

Nevermind. I forgot that half of the people using Battle.net client are running on free wifi.
Et tu Brute ?
KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 00:24:13
September 08 2017 00:22 GMT
#36
On September 08 2017 08:50 FrkFrJss wrote:
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On September 08 2017 07:44 pvsnp wrote:
On September 08 2017 05:45 FrkFrJss wrote:
On September 08 2017 02:11 pvsnp wrote:
It's that time of year, tensions running high and Blizzcon spots being locked down.

Though it is rather unfortunate that WCS Montreal has to start at the same time the GSL semifinals are on. With all due respect to the foreign players, a Bo7 between INnoVation and Dark far outshines any show they can put on.

We say this, and then it's a 4-0 slaughter...

In the matches I've watched, I've been far more disappointed with KvK matchups than FvF matchups....though that may be because my expectations are higher.

I think it's because Koreans make fewer mistakes. So whomever makes the first significant mistake just loses outright. On the other hand, foreigners make enough mistakes that a single one doesn't spell instant death and so we get more back-and-forth games.

Just my hypothesis.


It is true that they tend to make less mistakes, but I'm thinking about all the onesided matches that I've watched between two top level players. Or the games where they just make an absurd amount of mistakes and it really seems like a foreigner is playing.

It doesn't really disappoint me when two Koreans are in a tight battle so that whoever makes the first mistake loses, as that really only happens in TvT and ZvZ. I think in PvT, PvZ, and TvZ, there's a lot more volatility, and one mistake does not always spell the end (except for doom drops, oracles, adepts..)

For me it's when a high level player (generally Protoss) just plays abysmally versus someone that I think he should have a good chance against and gets like 3-0ed or something. Though, I have also seen T and Z players occasionally demonstrate this versus each other.




Umm... hate to be that grammar\vocabulary watchdog, but switch volatility with stabilizing factors and you might have a point that actually makes sense. The diagonals of the matchum matrix have more volatility and this serves to preserve the pressure mechanism which maintains diversity (I wrote an aeons-long post about this somewhere when someone was complaining about seeing more of his race than 33% on ladder - I don't remember where that post went) that would persist even if balance were completely skewed.
Et tu Brute ?
IArako
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany195 Posts
September 08 2017 00:30 GMT
#37
Since heromarine still prefers straeming instead of contending for blizzcon, which he easily could, i root for showtime to overcome his this years demons and goes to blizzcon like he should Serral winning would be nice as well and i hope uthermal makes a good run
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1875 Posts
September 08 2017 00:52 GMT
#38
On September 08 2017 09:15 KR_4EVR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 03:19 mizenhauer wrote:
On September 08 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
To be clear, GSL will be done a few hours before the 2nd day of Montreal starts.


Challenge and Montreal will overlap, though.


I can't believe people are still in the dark ages. These days, if I'm watching starcraft, it's got to be 2-3 streams going at the same time (unless it's GSL-quality) or I get bored and actually want to play the game myelf.

-> Here in North America, most of us have at minimum three monitors with stereo audio. For those who can listen to two people talking at the same time about different subjects but within a limited context, you have no problem watching 2 games at the same time.

And if you don't, you can run two windows of twitch.tv side by side on the same screen. Even 1600x900 will be enough.

Nevermind. I forgot that half of the people using Battle.net client are running on free wifi.


The logistics are not the issue. It's more that two simultaneous events is cancer when you have to take notes to do recaps. Saturday morning I'll wake up at 5:00 am, recap gsl, recap ssl, recap wcs. A few breaks would be really nice, but I won't get that. Instead I'll be watching two events at once, which makes it exponentially worse .
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 08 2017 03:19 GMT
#39
Come on, Scarlett playing home and not expecting her to take it? Go Scarlett, improve your Terran and win it with Random!!!
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 08 2017 03:22 GMT
#40
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 03:47:39
September 08 2017 03:47 GMT
#41
On September 08 2017 07:44 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 05:45 FrkFrJss wrote:
On September 08 2017 02:11 pvsnp wrote:
It's that time of year, tensions running high and Blizzcon spots being locked down.

Though it is rather unfortunate that WCS Montreal has to start at the same time the GSL semifinals are on. With all due respect to the foreign players, a Bo7 between INnoVation and Dark far outshines any show they can put on.

We say this, and then it's a 4-0 slaughter...

In the matches I've watched, I've been far more disappointed with KvK matchups than FvF matchups....though that may be because my expectations are higher.

I think it's because Koreans make fewer mistakes. So whomever makes the first significant mistake just loses outright. On the other hand, foreigners make enough mistakes that a single one doesn't spell instant death and so we get more back-and-forth games.

Just my hypothesis.


This is so true. High level competitive games are brutal and boring. One mistake, BOOM! Game ends, or drifts to an anti-climatic end. For example: MLS (American soccer) is super action-packed and entertaining, top UEFA Champions League matches can be a technical chess-like snore-fest (the team that scores first will try to lock the game down). Likewise, foreigner games tend go back and forth - super fun! But I would rather watch a brutal and boring high-level KvK over that.
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hiroshOne
Profile Joined October 2015
Poland425 Posts
September 08 2017 05:03 GMT
#42
On September 08 2017 01:19 Nerchio wrote:
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On September 08 2017 01:05 ZombieGrub wrote:
Great article. I'll be rooting for Showtime and Kelazhur.

How about for me, I participate in all of your tournaments



I cheer for you as always. Stay strong and show them why they should never underestimate king Artur.
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Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa975 Posts
September 08 2017 06:58 GMT
#43
On September 08 2017 01:19 Nerchio wrote:
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On September 08 2017 01:05 ZombieGrub wrote:
Great article. I'll be rooting for Showtime and Kelazhur.

How about for me, I participate in all of your tournaments


I will cheer for everybody as awesome as Artur! Oh wait...so only for Artur?
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 08 2017 07:30 GMT
#44
On September 08 2017 14:03 hiroshOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 01:19 Nerchio wrote:
On September 08 2017 01:05 ZombieGrub wrote:
Great article. I'll be rooting for Showtime and Kelazhur.

How about for me, I participate in all of your tournaments



I cheer for you as always. Stay strong and show them why they should never underestimate king Artur.

I will not cheer for Arthur, but if he quits the tournament after a loss against Snute, I will cheer for him to stay strong.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
September 08 2017 07:54 GMT
#45
Nerchio vs Showtime final would be sick.

Also Scarlett for the local hero hype.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Raineeb
Profile Joined September 2016
Philippines39 Posts
September 08 2017 08:17 GMT
#46
On September 07 2017 22:07 Nerchio wrote:
ITS THE FINAL COUNTDOWN TUDUDUDUDU TUDUDUTUTUTUDUTUDUTUUTUTUTUTTUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU TUTUTUTUUUUUUUUUUU


Nerchio is getting funnier evertime I see him comment. lol! God job man
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
September 08 2017 09:11 GMT
#47
On September 08 2017 17:17 Raineeb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2017 22:07 Nerchio wrote:
ITS THE FINAL COUNTDOWN TUDUDUDUDU TUDUDUTUTUTUDUTUDUTUUTUTUTUTTUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU TUTUTUTUUUUUUUUUUU


Nerchio is getting funnier evertime I see him comment. lol! God job man

In English, you don't say "God job". You say "Good job".
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Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
September 08 2017 09:12 GMT
#48
First time I'll miss a live event in Montreal and it stings, but I'll follow it closely anyway; as a zerg player it's so easy to get hyped by this tournament. Gogo Snute and Nerchio!
Try another route paperboy.
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
September 08 2017 10:22 GMT
#49
On September 08 2017 01:35 Argonauta wrote:
MaSa is on fire right now and he is one of the few can stand toe to toe vs Neeb

I was going to put MaSa as a Challenger, but I ran out of room. I think it'll be a lot like most tournaments for MaSa. High amounts of potential, but seeing as he's yet to translate that into a major tournament, it's difficult to predict that he'll go far this time.
Writermaru pls
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10078 Posts
September 08 2017 15:48 GMT
#50
cheering for Cham to have a good run in this tournament and for SpeCial or Kelazhur to make it to the finals. besides that i think ShoWTime have a really good chance to win Montreal.
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Kruver
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico14 Posts
September 08 2017 15:49 GMT
#51
gogogogo Cham Cham, Champion!
Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa975 Posts
September 08 2017 19:53 GMT
#52
On September 08 2017 18:11 Diabolique wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 17:17 Raineeb wrote:
On September 07 2017 22:07 Nerchio wrote:
ITS THE FINAL COUNTDOWN TUDUDUDUDU TUDUDUTUTUTUDUTUDUTUUTUTUTUTTUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU TUTUTUTUUUUUUUUUUU


Nerchio is getting funnier evertime I see him comment. lol! God job man

In English, you don't say "God job". You say "Good job".


Its Godchio
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Locutos
Profile Joined January 2017
Brazil264 Posts
September 09 2017 11:18 GMT
#53
Come on, KelaGod! Lets do this! Finals will be Neeb vs Kelazhur!!!
stevemachine17
Profile Joined April 2017
45 Posts
September 09 2017 23:02 GMT
#54
Great write up, I really enjoy these articles. It's like reading about a football article before the game to learn story lines and potential outcomes
Synchrx
Profile Joined September 2017
United Kingdom29 Posts
September 10 2017 08:40 GMT
#55
Interesting the amount of Z doing well in this tournament and in the foreign scene in general. Any thoughts on why? i'm rooting for Snute with who we have left! Neeb/Snute PvZ finals is what I wanna see!
This, indeed, is the secret of the thing. This is why the demon of impermanence is beneficent. Because it is forgetting about things that renews their wonder.
Raineeb
Profile Joined September 2016
Philippines39 Posts
September 10 2017 17:31 GMT
#56
On September 09 2017 04:53 Lambertus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 18:11 Diabolique wrote:
On September 08 2017 17:17 Raineeb wrote:
On September 07 2017 22:07 Nerchio wrote:
ITS THE FINAL COUNTDOWN TUDUDUDUDU TUDUDUTUTUTUDUTUDUTUUTUTUTUTTUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU TUTUTUTUUUUUUUUUUU


Nerchio is getting funnier evertime I see him comment. lol! God job man

In English, you don't say "God job". You say "Good job".


Its Godchio


lol! pardon my keyboard man. It forgot to type one more O. >
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