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The Caster Feedback Thread is a place to provide constructive criticism and give thanks to community casters. Please do not use this thread to needlessly whine and bash casters. Be mindful of this when you post.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17934 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-12 08:18:14
September 12 2017 08:17 GMT
#161
double post.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Marfy
Profile Joined August 2017
4 Posts
September 12 2017 10:59 GMT
#162
Just going to plug my love of InControL's casting at WCS Montreal, really great work!
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
September 12 2017 15:15 GMT
#163
I really enjoyed Rotterdam + ZombieGrub casting at WCS, nice job!
I like when there's some addition to the usual crew (kinda like Wardi at IEM)
(as for the rest of the casters, Incontrol and Maynard awesome as always)
My life for Aiur !
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
September 12 2017 21:07 GMT
#164
So I was curious about the flak Rifkin was getting over on Reddit, and decided to do some light reading.

I never knew, nor was I even remotely aware, that Rifkin is hated by so many other people, not on TL (or doesn't post here). I know that TL isn't the de facto SC2 community website, but I never realized how many people dislike him. I am not a fan, but I don't hate him. He really does tarnish the BTTV brand name.

I also think it's very nice that Zombie is getting the attention she deserves. She was great at WCS Montreal. I can't wait to see what big tournament she'll be involved in next. Maybe Blizzcon?
maddogmcgee
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia105 Posts
September 12 2017 21:25 GMT
#165
On September 13 2017 06:07 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
So I was curious about the flak Rifkin was getting over on Reddit, and decided to do some light reading.

I never knew, nor was I even remotely aware, that Rifkin is hated by so many other people, not on TL (or doesn't post here). I know that TL isn't the de facto SC2 community website, but I never realized how many people dislike him. I am not a fan, but I don't hate him. He really does tarnish the BTTV brand name.

I also think it's very nice that Zombie is getting the attention she deserves. She was great at WCS Montreal. I can't wait to see what big tournament she'll be involved in next. Maybe Blizzcon?


Isn't Base Trade TV his company?
and he whispered, never more
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
September 12 2017 21:45 GMT
#166
I think it is, although I'm not entirely sure.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
September 12 2017 22:22 GMT
#167
On September 13 2017 00:15 VHbb wrote:
I really enjoyed Rotterdam + ZombieGrub casting at WCS, nice job!
I like when there's some addition to the usual crew (kinda like Wardi at IEM)
(as for the rest of the casters, Incontrol and Maynard awesome as always)

Agreed about liking the new casters. Blizzard has been doing a good job lately, they've brought in feardragon, Wardi, and ZG at the last couple events. Also Mal reappeared.
Denominator of the Universe
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17934 Posts
September 12 2017 22:36 GMT
#168
its nice to see new grassroots talent emerge. its nice to see people that have the "damn i feel lucky to be here" attitude.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
feardragon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States973 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-12 23:17:05
September 12 2017 23:16 GMT
#169
I think both ZombieGrub and Wardi absolutely killed it at their first events. Really hoping to see a ton more of both of them in 2018. I think ZG + Rotterdam and Wardi + Maynarde were crazy good combos that seemed to have a super natural "click".
Ok Starcraft 2 Commentator
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
September 13 2017 21:54 GMT
#170
About Wardi, I have nothing against his casting, and he is good, but I don't feel excitement in his voice.

I'm not saying he sounds monotone or doesn't express emotions, but I just don't feel excited when I hear his cast.

Sometimes the job of a caster isn't just to give blow by blow description, but to make the audience feel excited when a great play occurs. They are an amplifier to the audience, taking them to another level of fervor.

Baseball announcers are great at doing this.

SC2 casters that do this well are (in no particular order):

Tasteless
Rotti
ToD (although sometimes I can't understand him)
ZG
Kaelaris
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-13 22:57:04
September 13 2017 22:56 GMT
#171
On September 14 2017 06:54 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
About Wardi, I have nothing against his casting, and he is good, but I don't feel excitement in his voice.

I'm not saying he sounds monotone or doesn't express emotions, but I just don't feel excited when I hear his cast.

Sometimes the job of a caster isn't just to give blow by blow description, but to make the audience feel excited when a great play occurs. They are an amplifier to the audience, taking them to another level of fervor.

Baseball announcers are great at doing this.

SC2 casters that do this well are (in no particular order):

Tasteless
Rotti
ToD (although sometimes I can't understand him)
ZG
Kaelaris


Is your passion and understanding of the game actually that low that you literally need to be told when to be excited?

My bad, I probably worded that a little more harshly than I should have but jesus fucking christ...
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
TL+ Member
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1969 Posts
September 13 2017 23:16 GMT
#172
I've been listening to Crank broadcast Olimoleague instead of BTTV. Best move I've made in a long time, that guy is electric!
┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia244 Posts
October 01 2017 12:09 GMT
#173
I usually love Tastossis, but these days they really OVERhype stuff
Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16102 Posts
October 01 2017 12:20 GMT
#174
On October 01 2017 21:09 dankobanana wrote:
I usually love Tastossis, but these days they really OVERhype stuff

I disagree
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
dankobanana
Profile Joined February 2016
Croatia244 Posts
October 01 2017 12:34 GMT
#175
for example
Battle is waged in the name of the many. The brave, who generation after generation choose the mantle of - Dark Templar!
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16102 Posts
October 01 2017 12:50 GMT
#176
I take it back, I agree
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
IcemanAsi
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel681 Posts
October 01 2017 13:17 GMT
#177
Thinking about artosis and tastless, I would love to see more active commentary during the early game. They usually take that time for more personal chatter which is fine but I think they gloss over stuff that while aimed at higher levels is actually really important.

Minor build deviations, overlord scouting paths, gas pull outs, all the tiny details that are actually the difference between crucial variations of similar builds. I think they are casting from a video feed and don't have a dedicated observer pc which could be the difference.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-01 15:38:26
October 01 2017 15:31 GMT
#178
On September 14 2017 07:56 207aicila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2017 06:54 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote:
About Wardi, I have nothing against his casting, and he is good, but I don't feel excitement in his voice.

I'm not saying he sounds monotone or doesn't express emotions, but I just don't feel excited when I hear his cast.

Sometimes the job of a caster isn't just to give blow by blow description, but to make the audience feel excited when a great play occurs. They are an amplifier to the audience, taking them to another level of fervor.

Baseball announcers are great at doing this.

SC2 casters that do this well are (in no particular order):

Tasteless
Rotti
ToD (although sometimes I can't understand him)
ZG
Kaelaris


Is your passion and understanding of the game actually that low that you literally need to be told when to be excited?

My bad, I probably worded that a little more harshly than I should have but jesus fucking christ...

when people talk about casters being exciting they're usually referring to charisma, which is not the same thing as "needing to be told when to be excited." in any case i don't think it's worth throwing heated words at people over how they prefer to have their games commentated. it's like arguing over the taste of apples.

i understand his point about wardi. i actually really like wardi, but he has a pretty slow and sleepy pace. it seems like that's just his personality though, which is fine. i'd rather have a subdued caster who's good than an excitable and bad caster like rifkin. i mean, what is wardi supposed to do? yell louder, scream and shout? if you're a quiet person those things come off as awkward and forced

anyway i get the idea behind this thread, but i think a lot of the criticisms are kind of silly because they boil down to the personality of the person casting. it's a diverse world and there are all kinds of personalities. some people think kaelaris is annoying, but i think he's hilarious and really fun. not much accounting for taste

the other thing is that sometimes casters can be surprisingly better/worse based on who they're paired with. i find rapid annoying with brendan, but for some reason i like him better with tasteless, and he was pretty good with zombiegrub too. i've been guilty of judging casters too harshly in the past, and i think we can all benefit from remembering that they're human beings who are just speaking in the voices and personalities they have. rarely is a caster so bad that it's worth trashing them and telling them to get out of the scene. and often even if you don't like a caster it's pretty easy to let them grow on you over time. i used to really dislike tastosis because i thought they had an elitist attitude, but not anymore, because i realized it's only natural for them to be comfortable and confident after years of doing what they do
TL+ Member
Kerdinand
Profile Joined November 2016
Germany113 Posts
October 01 2017 15:59 GMT
#179
Speaking of Tastosis, does anyone else feel like Tasteless is calling games wayyyyyy to early lately? Every time one of the players is even just slightly winning, he calls the game finished and then continues to correct himself as many times as the lead changes, each time saying how stupid he was to call the game early and then doing it again. I can understand that you shouldnt lie to your audience and desperately try to keep tension in a decided game, but hes always doing it when there are still chances for the "losing" player.
Maybe I just didnt notice it as much earlier, but now its getting to a point where I'm seriously looking out for alternative streams...
Na jakar me'nah. - sOs - PartinG - Stats
Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
October 01 2017 22:10 GMT
#180
On October 02 2017 00:59 Kerdinand wrote:
Speaking of Tastosis, does anyone else feel like Tasteless is calling games wayyyyyy to early lately? Every time one of the players is even just slightly winning, he calls the game finished and then continues to correct himself as many times as the lead changes, each time saying how stupid he was to call the game early and then doing it again. I can understand that you shouldnt lie to your audience and desperately try to keep tension in a decided game, but hes always doing it when there are still chances for the "losing" player.
Maybe I just didnt notice it as much earlier, but now its getting to a point where I'm seriously looking out for alternative streams...

Yes he does do this often, and I've gotten accustomed to it. I'm not particularly offended by it. I used to be though when I was watching him on GomTv.

I like Zombie because she rarely calls a game too early.

Thanks brckrd, for understanding my post. I thought I made myself clear, but some people might interpret my posts differently.



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