EPT[Code S] GSL Grand Finals Preview - Stats vs soO - Page 4
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lestye
United States4208 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 26 2017 02:38 pvsnp wrote: soO has spectacular consistency to be in five GSL finals, yes. To get to this one he has displayed amazing skill, tenacity, and talent. soO is most certainly among the top players in the world. All this is true. But Stats was in the finals of IEM Gyeonggi. Of IEM Katowice. His current form is close to unstoppable. He is arguably the best player in the world. And while soO is great, Stats is greater. I very much hope that soO wins. I am rooting for soO, not Stats. But there's no denying that Stats is the favorite going into the finals. Neither am I. soO has great mechanics, no doubt about that at all. What I am saying is that his mechanics are not as good as those of Dark, the greatest macro Zerg, or INnoVation, the strongest mechanical player. I agree that soO has a better chance if Stats is aggressive, because lategame PvZ is Protoss-favored and Stats has shown his skill in lategame multiple times against Dark, Nerchio, etc. soO is considerably better than Dark mechanically. Never have I seen a Zerg play from behind so many times and still have so much on the field. He's the most consistent Zerg ever with hitting his injects. Remember this game? Notice how much he loses in the beginning and consider that he's playing Flash who's a macro god. | ||
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pvsnp
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soO is considerably better than Dark mechanically. Never have I seen a Zerg play from behind so many times and still have so much on the field. He's the most consistent Zerg ever with hitting his injects. Remember this game? Notice how much he loses in the beginning and consider that he's playing Flash who's a macro god. soO was much better than Dark in pretty much every aspect until 2016, but since then I'd say Dark's macro is definitely superior. I agree that soO is great at enduring under pressure though. Also, I wouldn't say current soO is as good as he was in 2014, at least not yet. | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
On March 25 2017 04:49 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: hehe, yep. Might be Bogus vs Soulkey all over again. Astronomical hype for a rivalry that was almost always epic...except in a gsl final where it should've been at its best  That was my favorite GSL in SC2. Most memorable for sure. I almost cried when Soulkey won.  I was jumping out of my chair after each engagement. Fist pumping when Soulkey started his crazy comeback. | ||
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Kitai
United States880 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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Waxangel
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 26 2017 06:03 intotheheart wrote: aLive wins GSL - Wax 2017 the forgotten season | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
2017 was a year forgotten by historians. 2018 was the year of ??? | ||
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
On March 26 2017 02:38 pvsnp wrote: soO has spectacular consistency to be in five GSL finals, yes. To get to this one he has displayed amazing skill, tenacity, and talent. soO is most certainly among the top players in the world. All this is true. But Stats was in the finals of IEM Gyeonggi. Of IEM Katowice. His current form is close to unstoppable. He is arguably the best player in the world. And while soO is great, Stats is greater. I very much hope that soO wins. I am rooting for soO, not Stats. But there's no denying that Stats is the favorite going into the finals. Neither am I. soO has great mechanics, no doubt about that at all. What I am saying is that his mechanics are not as good as those of Dark, the greatest macro Zerg, or INnoVation, the strongest mechanical player. I agree that soO has a better chance if Stats is aggressive, because lategame PvZ is Protoss-favored and Stats has shown his skill in lategame multiple times against Dark, Nerchio, etc. Either IEM geongi or IEM Katowice (i was there live) were not stacked with top Zerg players. Must I remind u that last few months in Korea was Zerg downfall? And soO and arrguably Byul were the only Zerg players that were able to win vs toss or terran?. SoO is mechanical beast that worries not about bringing some allin and cheesy tactics. SoO is the only Zerg who is complete in every aspect of the game. Even more than Dark who is known because of his midgame or lategame play. SoO is the first and only Zerg whi has incorporated Matiz/Elazer Ravager allin successfuly in Korea pro play. He is the ultimate boss at his bottom and the most complete Zerg player at his tops. Your statement underrestimates SoO and fluffs Stats too much as Stats risen up over PvT imbalance. | ||
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Aunvilgodess
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pvsnp
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Either IEM geongi or IEM Katowice (i was there live) were not stacked with top Zerg players. Must I remind u that last few months in Korea was Zerg downfall? And soO and arrguably Byul were the only Zerg players that were able to win vs toss or terran?. SoO is mechanical beast that worries not about bringing some allin and cheesy tactics. SoO is the only Zerg who is complete in every aspect of the game. Even more than Dark who is known because of his midgame or lategame play. SoO is the first and only Zerg whi has incorporated Matiz/Elazer Ravager allin successfuly in Korea pro play. He is the ultimate boss at his bottom and the most complete Zerg player at his tops. Your statement underrestimates SoO and fluffs Stats too much as Stats risen up over PvT imbalance. It's true that Stats owes a lot of his current form to excellent PvT. But his PvZ is also more than capable. In recent times, he's beaten ByuL, Nerchio, Rogue, and Dark offline, and I'd still argue that the matchup is Protoss-favored on top of that. PvZ is not his best matchup, sure, but that says more about how good he is against Terran than anything else. In recent times, soO has lost to Zest and Dear, and his only strong result was beating sOs (who is not on the level of Stats). I'd agree that soO plays a more cheesy game than say Dark, but to me that signals his lack of faith in his own lategame. Dark tries to take it to lategame because he is supremely confident in his macro and knows that very few people can match him as games go long. soO can't say the same about himself, so he cheeses. It boils down to this: soO is a great player with a lot of heart whom I really hope will win. Stats is a greater player and the favorite whom I expect to win. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
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JacktheTerr
United States97 Posts
On March 26 2017 08:18 -NegativeZero- wrote: i'm just here for BW HD lol any way why is Gsl so long after i <3 starcraft?? aint nobody got time for that | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
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hiroshOne
Poland425 Posts
On March 26 2017 08:08 pvsnp wrote: It's true that Stats owes a lot of his current form to excellent PvT. But his PvZ is also more than capable. In recent times, he's beaten ByuL, Nerchio, Rogue, and Dark offline, and I'd still argue that the matchup is Protoss-favored on top of that. PvZ is not his best matchup, sure, but that says more about how good he is against Terran than anything else. In recent times, soO has lost to Zest and Dear, and his only strong result was beating sOs (who is not on the level of Stats). I'd agree that soO plays a more cheesy game than say Dark, but to me that signals his lack of faith in his own lategame. Dark tries to take it to lategame because he is supremely confident in his macro and knows that very few people can match him as games go long. soO can't say the same about himself, so he cheeses. It boils down to this: soO is a great player with a lot of heart whom I really hope will win. Stats is a greater player and the favorite whom I expect to win. Even if I'm Polish...Stats was struggling vs Nerchio and won only because of how balance works in the matchup and Nerchio is not even close soO level of mechanics. I love Nerchio, he's the best foreign Zerg but soO is another level. But you're right. If something wins in this finals it won't be skill as Stats and sOO both has plenty of it, but balance shit. Protoss is favored vs Zerg and soO must surpass himself to beat Stats who abuses this very well. Same as Stats overcame Terrans when TvP was definitely Terran favored. P.s. Didn't u concider that soO lost to Zest and other Protoss recently because of the prefinals midgames? It would be stupid to reveal his hand to Stats who definitely watch every soO's vod before the most importalnt finals in his career, right? I think it could be a thing. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24238 Posts
On March 25 2017 05:16 ErrantKnight wrote: 4 years ago, a 4 time GSL champion, King of his Race, was eliminated from GSL forever by a dirty roach rusher. Said Roach Rusher was cursed to lose as many GSL finals as the Old King had won. But now the curse is broken for 4 years have passed. I like this theory  | ||
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