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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
July 13 2016 18:44 GMT
#41
[image loading] for the win
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gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 19:11:36
July 13 2016 19:10 GMT
#42
On July 14 2016 03:05 Garemie wrote:
Man this thread is depressing. why cant we just be happy that foreign competition is still happening? It's gonna be a blast to watch, hopefully snute takes this one.

Cause the line up is weak. And the hype just has got old. (got from "the best players" to "some of the best players").

Damn, give us koreans.
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
July 13 2016 19:15 GMT
#43
On July 14 2016 04:10 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 03:05 Garemie wrote:
Man this thread is depressing. why cant we just be happy that foreign competition is still happening? It's gonna be a blast to watch, hopefully snute takes this one.

Cause the line up is weak. And the hype just has got old. (got from "the best players" to "some of the best players").

Damn, give us koreans.

Some of the best players? Who?
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gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
July 13 2016 19:18 GMT
#44
On July 14 2016 04:15 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 04:10 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On July 14 2016 03:05 Garemie wrote:
Man this thread is depressing. why cant we just be happy that foreign competition is still happening? It's gonna be a blast to watch, hopefully snute takes this one.

Cause the line up is weak. And the hype just has got old. (got from "the best players" to "some of the best players").

Damn, give us koreans.

Some of the best players? Who?

no, not anymore. I dont watch WCS but i am curious what casters/hosts use nowadays to describe their player pool. Good old times where we roasted them in LR when saying the "best players"
・゚✧:・゚+..。✧・゚:・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚ ゜・:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING *・゜・:・゚✧:・゚✧。゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:・゜・:・゚✧::・・:・゚・゚
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
July 13 2016 19:20 GMT
#45
On July 14 2016 03:05 Garemie wrote:
Man this thread is depressing. why cant we just be happy that foreign competition is still happening? It's gonna be a blast to watch, hopefully snute takes this one.

Biggest problem is that foreigners barely get any recognition for winning tournaments now. I mean showtime wins DH tours and played really well but compare that to the hype when people like naniwa, stephano or Idra competed with the best.
People just aren't impressed by foreigners winning tournaments now and so there's also zero hype for those tournaments.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Garemie
Profile Joined April 2011
United States248 Posts
July 13 2016 21:06 GMT
#46
On July 14 2016 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 03:05 Garemie wrote:
Man this thread is depressing. why cant we just be happy that foreign competition is still happening? It's gonna be a blast to watch, hopefully snute takes this one.

Biggest problem is that foreigners barely get any recognition for winning tournaments now. I mean showtime wins DH tours and played really well but compare that to the hype when people like naniwa, stephano or Idra competed with the best.
People just aren't impressed by foreigners winning tournaments now and so there's also zero hype for those tournaments.



It stirs the question of Why?

Has foreign competition gap become so large that "the best foreigners" aren't even worth hyping?
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 21:18:53
July 13 2016 21:18 GMT
#47
On July 14 2016 06:06 Garemie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 14 2016 03:05 Garemie wrote:
Man this thread is depressing. why cant we just be happy that foreign competition is still happening? It's gonna be a blast to watch, hopefully snute takes this one.

Biggest problem is that foreigners barely get any recognition for winning tournaments now. I mean showtime wins DH tours and played really well but compare that to the hype when people like naniwa, stephano or Idra competed with the best.
People just aren't impressed by foreigners winning tournaments now and so there's also zero hype for those tournaments.



It stirs the question of Why?

Has foreign competition gap become so large that "the best foreigners" aren't even worth hyping?


This is mainly a community problem imo. There are quite a few people around here who have tried their best to dismiss everything that has to do with WCS this year before it even happens, by continuously posting in all threads relating to bigger events stuff that in the end boils down to "No Koreans = I'm not gonna watch this". Even in this thread. In July. Mind-boggling. I just don't get how people find the time and the energy to be so negative for such a long period of time over such a thing.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-13 21:25:54
July 13 2016 21:23 GMT
#48
On July 14 2016 06:06 Garemie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 14 2016 03:05 Garemie wrote:
Man this thread is depressing. why cant we just be happy that foreign competition is still happening? It's gonna be a blast to watch, hopefully snute takes this one.

Biggest problem is that foreigners barely get any recognition for winning tournaments now. I mean showtime wins DH tours and played really well but compare that to the hype when people like naniwa, stephano or Idra competed with the best.
People just aren't impressed by foreigners winning tournaments now and so there's also zero hype for those tournaments.



It stirs the question of Why?

Has foreign competition gap become so large that "the best foreigners" aren't even worth hyping?

It's because "the best foreigners" almost never get the chance to prove themselves against high level Korean opposition. Watching foreigners beat up foreigners and WCS Koreans in tournaments is all fine and dandy, and if people enjoy it, more power to them.

But I got a thousand times more excitement watching things like Snute beating the GSL and SSL champions back to back in one day during an IEM group stage than I get watching WCS playoffs this year. The notable exception being the finals of DH Tours between ShoWTimE and Nerchio.

It just would be nice to see foreigners and Koreans play each other before the Global Playoffs in autumn. Because I do think that players like ShoWTimE, Nerchio, etc. could do well. But they have no chance to prove themselves.
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
July 13 2016 21:33 GMT
#49
Gotta be honest, its hard to egt hyped for those tournaments when looking purely at the players there. And I'm not even exactly sure why I feel that way because there's some good ones there.

Which is weird because I wasn't the biggest fan of the all korean robots tournaments from before, but the currents foreigners are all pretty boring too somehow;

But I'm sure the tournament will be fun to watch nonetheless, because if there's one thing that hasn't changed since forever, its our casters pool, and they're all pretty good.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
July 14 2016 03:59 GMT
#50
On July 14 2016 06:18 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2016 06:06 Garemie wrote:
On July 14 2016 04:20 Charoisaur wrote:
On July 14 2016 03:05 Garemie wrote:
Man this thread is depressing. why cant we just be happy that foreign competition is still happening? It's gonna be a blast to watch, hopefully snute takes this one.

Biggest problem is that foreigners barely get any recognition for winning tournaments now. I mean showtime wins DH tours and played really well but compare that to the hype when people like naniwa, stephano or Idra competed with the best.
People just aren't impressed by foreigners winning tournaments now and so there's also zero hype for those tournaments.



It stirs the question of Why?

Has foreign competition gap become so large that "the best foreigners" aren't even worth hyping?


This is mainly a community problem imo. There are quite a few people around here who have tried their best to dismiss everything that has to do with WCS this year before it even happens, by continuously posting in all threads relating to bigger events stuff that in the end boils down to "No Koreans = I'm not gonna watch this". Even in this thread. In July. Mind-boggling. I just don't get how people find the time and the energy to be so negative for such a long period of time over such a thing.

it's basically the opposite of when a bunch of people would always post "welp, only koreans left, guess I'm not watching anymore" lol
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CptMarvel
Profile Joined May 2014
France236 Posts
July 14 2016 07:38 GMT
#51
Snute'll take it, especially considering the overall weakness of the opposition.
Bravo to Blizzard for this new WCS format that gives tours that have almost no interest skill-wise.
SinO[Ob]
Profile Joined October 2010
France898 Posts
July 14 2016 07:56 GMT
#52
Starcraft community gotta love the "passion". :D
Stephano and Clem enjoyer
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