• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 04:15
CET 10:15
KST 18:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!12[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Dark completes military service, returns to SC26[BSL23] RO16 Group Stage17Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?2Weekly Cups (Oct 26 - Nov 1): MaxPax, herO, Solar win0Weekly Cups (October 19-25): Clem triples first in 5.0.175
StarCraft 2
General
Dark completes military service, returns to SC2 No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Greetings.. Serral's getting trashed by New Catsle's Mind Weekly Cups (Nov 2-8): herO back on top?
Tourneys
Dark returns! GSL CK #7 4v4 Team Battle (Nov 19) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) soO & FanTaSy return! SC2 Kevin Scrim 4v4 (Nov 16) RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Tasteless Time Warp: SC Evo Showmatch (May 25)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps Starcraft 2 Advance [D] the control group Simple Questions/Answers
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 551 Robotic Revival Mutation # 550 Graveyard Shift Mutation # 549 Endless Sparkles
Brood War
General
List of top players active on ShieldBattery Recommended BW Settings for Mouse and Video BW General Discussion Starcraft:Brood War Discord Servers [BSL23] RO16 Group Stage
Tourneys
[BSL23] Ro16 Group C - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 CSLAN 4 is Coming! [BSL23] Ro16 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Pluto's TvP 5Marine 2Medic Push Infested Terran strategies in 2026 Nuke strategy worked in K-League 2026-11-09 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22
Other Games
General Games
Free Space RTS Game, optimised f. Phone/Tablet etc Nintendo Switch Thread List of Game Threads The PlayStation 5 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Can Game Data Analytics Help Players Improvements
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Trading/Investing Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Fan Club Resource Thread Reynor Fan Club The Flash Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
VCT 2027 America Kickoff LAT…
anakin.
The time I organised my…
AssyrianKing
Why I built Repalyzer (1.1.…
BlueStar
Innovate or Game Over?
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 12446 users

Patch and Map Updates Coming Next Week

Forum Index > SC2 General
113 CommentsPost a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 23:10:11
May 17 2016 18:25 GMT
#1
Thanks for working together with us on both the upcoming patch changes and the map updates.

This weekend brings the majority of the big events for this season to a close, so we are aiming to release both the balance patch and the map updates next week.

We intend to implement the changes that we have been testing and improving the past months, and below is the list:

Swarm Host
  • Cost reduced from 200/100 to 150/100
  • Supply cost increased from 3 to 4


Liberator
  • Anti-air damage changed to 5 (+2 light)


Cyclone
  • Cost reduced to 150/100
  • Supply cost up from 3 to 4


Immortal
  • Barrier absorb down from 200 to 100


Colossus
  • 10% faster attack speed


Thor
  • Add a second mode of attack:
  • 35 +15 armored damage per 3 seconds (or 2.14 seconds in real time)


Map Changes
  • Removed Watchtowers on Frozen Temple


Additionally, in agreement with the feedback from both our top pros and our community, we will be adding both Frost and King Sejong while removing Prion Terraces and Korhal Carnage during the upcoming balance patch.

As mentioned above, we will also be doing a minor update to Frozen Temple of removing the watch towers on the map due to the feedback of advantage swinging too hard depending on who controls it.

Thank you, and we will discuss the other topics for this week in the weekly update later this week!


Source
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
May 17 2016 18:30 GMT
#2
In the Thor thing, what do they mean with real time? Isn't in game time real time now?
I would rather eat than see my children starve.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 18:32:47
May 17 2016 18:32 GMT
#3
That change to Frozen Temple is unexpected. I wonder where that feedback came from. The immortal change is really big--seeing how PvZ will shape up after this will be... interesting.
pundurs
Profile Joined August 2014
Latvia38 Posts
May 17 2016 18:32 GMT
#4
On May 18 2016 03:30 Gullis wrote:
In the Thor thing, what do they mean with real time? Isn't in game time real time now?


Perhaps the engine still runs in blizzard time, so they have to recalculate it to real time manually. Just a theory.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
May 17 2016 18:34 GMT
#5
These are some pretty big changes.
maru lover forever
MonkeyBot
Profile Joined June 2013
United States125 Posts
May 17 2016 18:36 GMT
#6
Did I just read that King Jaedong Station is coming back in? That's effing crazy. I remember a lot of fun games on Frost too
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
May 17 2016 18:37 GMT
#7
On May 18 2016 03:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
That change to Frozen Temple is unexpected. I wonder where that feedback came from.

I can't recall hearing about this either, but I assume from KR players
TL+ Member
Sholip
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
Hungary422 Posts
May 17 2016 18:39 GMT
#8
On May 18 2016 03:32 pundurs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2016 03:30 Gullis wrote:
In the Thor thing, what do they mean with real time? Isn't in game time real time now?


Perhaps the engine still runs in blizzard time, so they have to recalculate it to real time manually. Just a theory.

I guess so. Ever since LotV, Blizzard have been giving time values in old game seconds, even though the game displays real seconds now. My guess is it still runs on old game time, only the values displayed are divided by 1.4.
"A hero is no braver than an ordinary man, but he is brave five minutes longer. Also, Zest is best." – Ralph Waldo Emerson
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10131 Posts
May 17 2016 18:43 GMT
#9
so Thors have again 2 attacks modes?
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
PinoKotsBeer
Profile Joined February 2014
Netherlands1387 Posts
May 17 2016 18:45 GMT
#10
inb4 mass blink on frost
http://www.twitch.tv/pinokotsbeer
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
May 17 2016 18:48 GMT
#11
On May 18 2016 03:43 Topin wrote:
so Thors have again 2 attacks modes?

Yes.
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
May 17 2016 18:49 GMT
#12
On May 18 2016 03:45 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
inb4 mass blink on frost

I still have nightmares
TL+ Member
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16103 Posts
May 17 2016 19:04 GMT
#13
On May 18 2016 03:37 Ctone23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2016 03:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
That change to Frozen Temple is unexpected. I wonder where that feedback came from.

I can't recall hearing about this either, but I assume from KR players

Why would players that don't play on this map give feedback about it?
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-17 19:07:06
May 17 2016 19:05 GMT
#14
On May 18 2016 03:30 Gullis wrote:
In the Thor thing, what do they mean with real time? Isn't in game time real time now?

The Thor's ground to air attack in Wings of Liberty/Heart of the Swarm game time was 3 seconds. But Legacy of the Void adjusted the game speed to match real time, so the Thor's ground to air attack went from 3 seconds to 2.14 seconds. In the context of your post, Legacy of the Void IS real time. But it is a little confusing that they'd describe the change like that.

I think the important thing to note is that the Thor's alternate mode of fire will have the same attack speed as the other mode, assuming of course I don't have my facts mixed up.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1841 Posts
May 17 2016 19:22 GMT
#15
On May 18 2016 04:04 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2016 03:37 Ctone23 wrote:
On May 18 2016 03:32 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
That change to Frozen Temple is unexpected. I wonder where that feedback came from.

I can't recall hearing about this either, but I assume from KR players

Why would players that don't play on this map give feedback about it?

Oh yeah, right. No clue then
TL+ Member
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
May 17 2016 19:27 GMT
#16
We can forget about Swarm Host for another year...
Draddition
Profile Joined February 2014
United States59 Posts
May 17 2016 19:28 GMT
#17
On May 18 2016 03:32 pundurs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2016 03:30 Gullis wrote:
In the Thor thing, what do they mean with real time? Isn't in game time real time now?


Perhaps the engine still runs in blizzard time, so they have to recalculate it to real time manually. Just a theory.


I believe this stems from us playing on the "faster" setting. Values are applied to normal speed, the in-game clock is no longer based off the engine. I could be wrong.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
May 17 2016 19:30 GMT
#18
This all looks very, very good.

This update could be the negative of the speed oracle patch.
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
May 17 2016 19:33 GMT
#19
Beside Cyclone and swarm host.All change seem very good.
We can put mech in TvP aside and address it later cause right now even bio has trouble against P LOL.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
May 17 2016 19:34 GMT
#20
On May 18 2016 04:33 seemsgood wrote:
Beside Cyclone and swarm host.All change seem very good.
We can put mech in TvP aside and address it later cause right now even bio has trouble against P LOL.

the cyclones and swarm host changes indeed don't look too promising but I don't think they can be harmful.
1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech166
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2076
Britney 771
BeSt 233
Stork 144
Leta 132
Mind 96
Killer 70
soO 60
ggaemo 51
sorry 47
[ Show more ]
JYJ 40
Mong 30
Free 29
Shinee 29
Sacsri 23
Bale 21
ajuk12(nOOB) 19
NotJumperer 19
Yoon 17
ZergMaN 15
yabsab 15
Noble 8
sOs 8
Force[name] 5
League of Legends
JimRising 595
Reynor47
Counter-Strike
fl0m3118
shoxiejesuss794
olofmeister54
Other Games
summit1g10275
Sick174
XaKoH 163
Mew2King46
ViBE44
KnowMe30
[ Show 9 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 29
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Ultimate Battle
2h 45m
OSC
4h 45m
OSC
14h 15m
ByuN vs MaxPax
herO vs Krystianer
Percival vs Shameless
LetaleX vs YoungYakov
Nicoract vs Gerald
GgMaChine vs ArT
CranKy Ducklings
1d
WardiTV Invitational
1d 2h
ByuN vs SHIN
MaxPax vs Solar
Clem vs TBD
herO vs TBD
Lambo vs TBD
Rogue vs TBD
IPSL
1d 7h
TerrOr vs IJ_Terran
rasowy vs Hazorath
BSL
1d 10h
TerrOr vs OyAji
UltrA vs Gosudark
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
IPSL
2 days
Art_Of_Turtle vs KameZerg
Radley vs George
[ Show More ]
BSL
2 days
Artosis vs Dewalt
Ret vs Tech
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
GSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-11-12
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
International ShieldBattery League
Individual League
BSL Season 23
IPSL Winter 2026-27
Calamity Cup Div. A Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026

Upcoming

YSL S4
Sector 591
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
StarCraft2 Weekly Open Tournament 2026 Grand Finals
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Underdog Cup 2026 Div 2-3
PGL Bucharest 2027
BLAST Bounty Winter 2027
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.