That's not the only conclusion of this. That's a side-step that would lead to more issues down the line, with barcodes being connected to players' IPs and MAC addresses and the like.

Just because it was worse before, doesn't mean that we should stick to the way things were. When the points separating qualification and top 10 is in the low double digits IIRC, then even 1 free win can impact the standings, and 1 free win can force an honest, deserving player out of the standings. It might not be as big of an affront to authority as dozens of free wins, but it cannot be overlooked.

These rules mean that pros cannot play anytime they want for practice or for fun anymore. It's stupid. Ladder shouldn't be connected to any serious tournament. It's a joke.

BronzeKnee

United States5217 Posts

April 10 2016 04:02 GMT

#284

On April 10 2016 04:31 Incognoto wrote:
Not only is Blizzard's decision making horrible, but it's transparency is also really bad.

Really Blizzard I wonder why you can't just leave Starcraft alone?

Because they lost out on so much potential money from Starcraft and WC3 (via DOTA) when they had a hands off approach.

On April 10 2016 02:54 -Kyo- wrote:
This is actually pretty disgusting. Wonder when Blizzard is actually going to start firing people for doing a poor job?

I've been asking that same exact question since the moment I saw the Warhound in the HOTS Beta. I still can't believe no one was fired after they spent time and money developing that, and used up precious Beta time testing it.

There is zero, zero accountability at Blizzard. It is an old boys club, stuck in the 90's era where select IT "guru's" ruled over everything and could never be wrong.

Problem is, it is 2016, and garbage like "the technology just isn't there yet" fools exactly no one anymore.

I wish the cries would get louder from the sponsors, teams and people that matter in the scene, and force Blizzard's hand. It is time to clean house.

BronzeKnee

United States5217 Posts

April 10 2016 04:07 GMT

#285

Sorry double posted.

Korakys

New Zealand272 Posts

April 10 2016 04:40 GMT

#286

This isn't match fixing, for that you need to have money or something equivalent on the line.

And if it's win-trading why is only one half being punished.

Personally I think Blizzard have got an itchy trigger finger about this recently and this looks like trying to justify shooting bans at someone.

BronzeKnee

United States5217 Posts

April 10 2016 04:47 GMT

#287

Well, I think it could be looked at as match fixing because ladder is essentially a qualifier for tournaments that give money.

But you are 100% right about only one half being punished. I hadn't thought of that.

I'd love to hear why everyone involved wasn't banned.

Jank

United States308 Posts

April 10 2016 05:07 GMT

#288

On April 10 2016 10:37 TechNoTrance wrote:
No that didn't happen, not too many ladder qualifiers back in those days.

Forgetting about TSL?

fatalfury2014

Chile5 Posts

April 10 2016 05:17 GMT

#289

so major gave free points to players who do not even have a chance at wcs

good job blizzard

Cyro

United Kingdom20313 Posts

April 10 2016 05:30 GMT

#290

On April 10 2016 13:47 BronzeKnee wrote:
Well, I think it could be looked at as match fixing because ladder is essentially a qualifier for tournaments that give money.

Make a seperate ladder if it's that important. This situation (and it potentially happening to more players) is ridiculous

Shouldn't trust Major's "0 proof 0 evidence" (that really is something guilty people usually say)

Innocent until proven guilty. Guilty people may say that sometimes but innocent people say it a lot more and it's insane to take a claim of innocence as admission of guilt or as evidence against someone.

It matters if Major did anything wrong here, but it also isn't about one player - It's fucked up x1000 that such a situation is even plausible

Iznogood

Denmark21 Posts

April 10 2016 05:57 GMT

#291

Just wait until doping tests are made mandatory. A whole slew of pros will be out of a job then. Many are taking ADHD medicine to help them focus.

Cyro

United Kingdom20313 Posts

April 10 2016 06:03 GMT

#292

There's a huge difference between doping tests at live events (which already exist and can be set up in a sane way sometimes) and leaving games vs random people that you hit on the ladder being grounds for disqualification and banning from competitive events

SirPinky

United States525 Posts

April 10 2016 06:28 GMT

#293

<<golf clap to David Kim>>

His logic: "If I can't explain the dramatic loss of viewership in two different expansions due to my incompetence, then I'll just DQ them."

SirPinky

United States525 Posts

April 10 2016 06:35 GMT

#294

Blizzard and/or DK logic:

Can't catch the 213029350 people hacking in HOTS, now in LOTV

So observe the games of the top50 players and deflect...really...well played.

Wrath

3174 Posts

April 10 2016 06:46 GMT

#295

^ I'm pretty sure hacking is out of David Kim's work scope. As much as I personally hate that guy, I do not approve of blaming him for this. His job has nothing to do with DQ people based on match fixing.

heqat

Switzerland96 Posts

April 10 2016 07:28 GMT

#296

Blizzard should put a big waning message before every ladder game that counts for the qualifications (at least during the last 24 hours). Maybe with a clear agreement that you must accept or else the game won't even start (or won't give any points to players). This way players won't be able to say: well, it was just another regular ladder game...

As usual, it's all about communication.

Cyro

United Kingdom20313 Posts

April 10 2016 07:42 GMT

#297

Saying what, you better try 110% to win this game or else we'll ban you from tournaments and put you on the match fixer list? You can't play ladder this weekend?

At the moment this punishment only applies to this season's Copa America, however malicious intervention is a serious offense results so that may have major consequences.

It's ladder. People can influence the results without malicious intention just by playing the game as designed.

deacon.frost

Czech Republic12129 Posts

April 10 2016 07:47 GMT

#298

I do not get people saying they want to see the evidence. When you hear a murderer was sent to jail you do not want to see the evidence for yourself either... WTF, people?

Cyro

United Kingdom20313 Posts

April 10 2016 07:49 GMT

#299

Murderers (ALLEGED OR OTHERWISE) get trialled and have an opportunity to defend themselves.

MajOr did not.

Topdoller

United Kingdom3860 Posts

April 10 2016 08:26 GMT

#300

You would think given the players notorious past he would do his best to keep himself squeaky clean. I personally agree with Blizzards decision. Why tarnish a tournament or its results by keeping him in it.

It is better for the remaining players and the future of Starcraft that all tournaments are kept without any form of corruption accidental or not as he claims.

The last think they need is more bad press when you consider whats happened recently in Korea.