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MajOr disqualified from Copa América 2016 Season 2 - Page 15

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TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
April 10 2016 01:37 GMT
#281
On April 10 2016 09:43 Hexe wrote:
Isnt Major one of the guys from Broodwar who was caught as well doing similar things? Maphacking or something


You consider being caught maphacking similar to this situation? O.o No that didn't happen, not too many ladder qualifiers back in those days.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
April 10 2016 01:52 GMT
#282
On April 09 2016 23:20 LongShot27 wrote:
This is the first match fixing accusation that doesn't surprise me

Actually it is surprising that leaving early in ladder is considered match fixing.

andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
April 10 2016 03:15 GMT
#283
On April 10 2016 08:39 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2016 08:32 Clonester wrote:
The only conclusion of this:

Pros stop playing ladder with accounts that are connected to you. Return to the barcodes.


I mean really, 1 left game, one lost all in? Thats Wintrading? Back in the day, when there have been ladder challenges with Warcraft III for Blizzard Events, wintrading was with dozens of wins. We are now talking about one left game and one lost all in?

But hey, the same people who commited WCS 2016... why do I wonder, please never give us "ladder challenges" on KR Server.

That's not the only conclusion of this. That's a side-step that would lead to more issues down the line, with barcodes being connected to players' IPs and MAC addresses and the like.

Just because it was worse before, doesn't mean that we should stick to the way things were. When the points separating qualification and top 10 is in the low double digits IIRC, then even 1 free win can impact the standings, and 1 free win can force an honest, deserving player out of the standings. It might not be as big of an affront to authority as dozens of free wins, but it cannot be overlooked.


These rules mean that pros cannot play anytime they want for practice or for fun anymore. It's stupid. Ladder shouldn't be connected to any serious tournament. It's a joke.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5225 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-10 04:13:51
April 10 2016 04:02 GMT
#284
On April 10 2016 04:31 Incognoto wrote:
Not only is Blizzard's decision making horrible, but it's transparency is also really bad.

Really Blizzard I wonder why you can't just leave Starcraft alone?

Because they lost out on so much potential money from Starcraft and WC3 (via DOTA) when they had a hands off approach.


On April 10 2016 02:54 -Kyo- wrote:
This is actually pretty disgusting. Wonder when Blizzard is actually going to start firing people for doing a poor job?

I've been asking that same exact question since the moment I saw the Warhound in the HOTS Beta. I still can't believe no one was fired after they spent time and money developing that, and used up precious Beta time testing it.

There is zero, zero accountability at Blizzard. It is an old boys club, stuck in the 90's era where select IT "guru's" ruled over everything and could never be wrong.

Problem is, it is 2016, and garbage like "the technology just isn't there yet" fools exactly no one anymore.

I wish the cries would get louder from the sponsors, teams and people that matter in the scene, and force Blizzard's hand. It is time to clean house.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5225 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-10 04:07:42
April 10 2016 04:07 GMT
#285
Sorry double posted.
Korakys
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
New Zealand272 Posts
April 10 2016 04:40 GMT
#286
This isn't match fixing, for that you need to have money or something equivalent on the line.

And if it's win-trading why is only one half being punished.

Personally I think Blizzard have got an itchy trigger finger about this recently and this looks like trying to justify shooting bans at someone.
Swing away sOs, swing away.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5225 Posts
April 10 2016 04:47 GMT
#287
Well, I think it could be looked at as match fixing because ladder is essentially a qualifier for tournaments that give money.

But you are 100% right about only one half being punished. I hadn't thought of that.

I'd love to hear why everyone involved wasn't banned.
Jank
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States308 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-10 05:07:39
April 10 2016 05:07 GMT
#288
On April 10 2016 10:37 TechNoTrance wrote:
No that didn't happen, not too many ladder qualifiers back in those days.

Forgetting about TSL?
"You don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day." - Michael Parenti
fatalfury2014
Profile Joined April 2016
Chile5 Posts
April 10 2016 05:17 GMT
#289
so major gave free points to players who do not even have a chance at wcs

good job blizzard
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-10 06:17:18
April 10 2016 05:30 GMT
#290
On April 10 2016 13:47 BronzeKnee wrote:
Well, I think it could be looked at as match fixing because ladder is essentially a qualifier for tournaments that give money.



Make a seperate ladder if it's that important. This situation (and it potentially happening to more players) is ridiculous

Shouldn't trust Major's "0 proof 0 evidence" (that really is something guilty people usually say)


Innocent until proven guilty. Guilty people may say that sometimes but innocent people say it a lot more and it's insane to take a claim of innocence as admission of guilt or as evidence against someone.

It matters if Major did anything wrong here, but it also isn't about one player - It's fucked up x1000 that such a situation is even plausible
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Iznogood
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark21 Posts
April 10 2016 05:57 GMT
#291
Just wait until doping tests are made mandatory. A whole slew of pros will be out of a job then. Many are taking ADHD medicine to help them focus.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
April 10 2016 06:03 GMT
#292
There's a huge difference between doping tests at live events (which already exist and can be set up in a sane way sometimes) and leaving games vs random people that you hit on the ladder being grounds for disqualification and banning from competitive events
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
April 10 2016 06:28 GMT
#293
<<golf clap to David Kim>>

His logic: "If I can't explain the dramatic loss of viewership in two different expansions due to my incompetence, then I'll just DQ them."
How much better to get wisdom than gold; to get insight rather than silver!
SirPinky
Profile Joined February 2011
United States525 Posts
April 10 2016 06:35 GMT
#294
Blizzard and/or DK logic:

Can't catch the 213029350 people hacking in HOTS, now in LOTV

So observe the games of the top50 players and deflect...really...well played.
How much better to get wisdom than gold; to get insight rather than silver!
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3175 Posts
April 10 2016 06:46 GMT
#295
^ I'm pretty sure hacking is out of David Kim's work scope. As much as I personally hate that guy, I do not approve of blaming him for this. His job has nothing to do with DQ people based on match fixing.
heqat
Profile Joined October 2011
Switzerland96 Posts
April 10 2016 07:28 GMT
#296
Blizzard should put a big waning message before every ladder game that counts for the qualifications (at least during the last 24 hours). Maybe with a clear agreement that you must accept or else the game won't even start (or won't give any points to players). This way players won't be able to say: well, it was just another regular ladder game...

As usual, it's all about communication.



Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-10 07:48:32
April 10 2016 07:42 GMT
#297
Blizzard should put a big waning message before every ladder game that counts for the qualifications (at least during the last 24 hours). Maybe with a clear agreement that you must accept or else the game won't even start (or won't give any points to players)


Saying what, you better try 110% to win this game or else we'll ban you from tournaments and put you on the match fixer list? You can't play ladder this weekend?

At the moment this punishment only applies to this season's Copa America, however malicious intervention is a serious offense results so that may have major consequences.


It's ladder. People can influence the results without malicious intention just by playing the game as designed.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12133 Posts
April 10 2016 07:47 GMT
#298
I do not get people saying they want to see the evidence. When you hear a murderer was sent to jail you do not want to see the evidence for yourself either... WTF, people?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-10 08:09:27
April 10 2016 07:49 GMT
#299
Murderers (ALLEGED OR OTHERWISE) get trialled and have an opportunity to defend themselves.

MajOr did not.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
April 10 2016 08:26 GMT
#300
You would think given the players notorious past he would do his best to keep himself squeaky clean. I personally agree with Blizzards decision. Why tarnish a tournament or its results by keeping him in it.

It is better for the remaining players and the future of Starcraft that all tournaments are kept without any form of corruption accidental or not as he claims.

The last think they need is more bad press when you consider whats happened recently in Korea.

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