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Johan-ae
Profile Joined November 2013
Sweden58 Posts
March 18 2016 21:12 GMT
#21
I hope he goes to samsung!
pr1de
Profile Joined January 2016
38 Posts
March 18 2016 21:15 GMT
#22
People who say they fucked up sc2 with those new rulez are somewhat right, but blizzard wanted to see how this works. No need for a foreigner pro player to even try get into this game. You know you gonna lose to a Korean.
Not because Korean is a superrace, its because they have teamhouses and play vs best players all the time, and also in real life not online.
It would be a BIG change if the EU or NA starts to make a very large teamhouse, or some teamhouses in about the same area.
Players who really want to go pro and dont want school or work, and they are worth it for a team, they can join in the house.
All teams should be in around the same area, i know its weird for us, wich country should we choose? or wich state in the US.

But i think thats the only way we will ever get as good as the Koreans. And that is to make a total sc2 invirement, so that there is always place for full time practise vs the best.
Then the extra we get is, we get LIVE league like in Korea.

I bet Wardii would get 4000 more vieuwers at least, if the league was live, proberly more over time. Just guessing and i aint sure if its worth it.
We as the public should pay for that in one way or another, i hope that its possible.

Sorry its little offtopic, But to say in every topic a Korean stops in the EU or NA for this reason and say Blizzard is making this game dead is stupid. They are trying something to even prevent that.
I dont like that EU players dont have a chance to win BIG moneys, why would they even practise hard?
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
March 18 2016 21:25 GMT
#23
In fact, Patience’s great run ended up with him not being able to apply for and receive a visa for Switzerland, hindering his planned move to Switzerland.


Does anyone understand the relationship between being successful in Korea and not getting a visa in Switzerland? Patience couldn't get a visa because he was actually not in Switzerland, but rather spending his time in Korea? If so, that makes sense to me (from a Swiss visa issuance point of view). But then again, I have heard some stories about Switzerland and visa, indicating Catch 22-scenarios being pursued to keep people out of the country... This was a few years back admittedly, but I wonder if the country has become less restrictive in handing out visas in the meantime.

...err, and now let's see, all of you that blame Blizzard and the WCS system for the Swiss visa rules, raise your hands...
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
March 18 2016 22:03 GMT
#24
I thought only US had the athlete visa. Also getting a swiss visa is probably even harder than just EU visa. "In February 2014, the Swiss voted in a referendum to introduce quotas for all migrants in Switzerland." (They voted yes btw)
very illegal and very uncool
seemsgood
Profile Joined January 2016
5527 Posts
March 18 2016 22:04 GMT
#25
He should join KT.
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
March 18 2016 22:10 GMT
#26
GL to him
Vasacast always in my <3
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
March 18 2016 22:15 GMT
#27
On March 19 2016 07:04 seemsgood wrote:
He should join KT.

We don't really need another Protoss. And I'm not sure if he wants to look at the man who 4-0'd him in the S2SL Ro4 every day.

MVP kinda makes sense since he was already staying with them and was originally supposed to play PL for them. CJ and Jin Air are kinda low on players so they should be looking into this. Not sure about Afreeca and Samsung.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 19 2016 02:15 GMT
#28
good luck to finding a team, Patience
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
March 19 2016 02:25 GMT
#29
On March 19 2016 07:15 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 07:04 seemsgood wrote:
He should join KT.

We don't really need another Protoss. And I'm not sure if he wants to look at the man who 4-0'd him in the S2SL Ro4 every day.

MVP kinda makes sense since he was already staying with them and was originally supposed to play PL for them. CJ and Jin Air are kinda low on players so they should be looking into this. Not sure about Afreeca and Samsung.


Most teams don't need more players hence they are locked out and left to die.

At least that's what I got from iloveoov's statement.
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Orr
Profile Joined February 2014
United States168 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-19 04:35:13
March 19 2016 04:32 GMT
#30
Sorry that his visa situation didn't work out as he wanted. Will enjoy seeing him in PL nonetheless.

Some people commenting here clearly don't watch PL/aren't familiar w/ the current rosters.

JAGW, KT, and SKT are all loaded at P and have zero need. The two teams that make the most sense are CJ and MVP.

From a standpoint of pure need, CJ w/ their threadbare roster (only 5 players while Bbyong is out), makes the most sense. Hush seems to be a much better coach/practice player than actual PL performer. So Patience could easily take his current starting spot (2nd P after herO). A lineup in R2 of herO, Byul, Patience, and Ragnarok starting w/ Bunny and Hush in support (until Bbyong hopefully returns soon) could be a big improvement over their disastrous R1.

MVP also is a logical choice, despite their larger roster (far too T heavy). They already have two core starters in GumiGod and Departure, but their other slots are largely rotational. Patience should be an improvement over their current P (Blaze and Seed) and would be a nice rotation regular. A lineup in R2 of GumiGod, Departure, Patience, and alternating 4th slot between Forte/Blaze w/ Ryung, Seed, and Pet in support should be an improvement over their winless R1.

AF currently has a very small roster and is in need of improved talent and depth at both Z and P. They already have Super (getting a lot of run in R1, to mediocre results) and Billowy, so not sure if they'd want to add a 3rd P. But Patience should be able to quickly become their top P option and would be a solid addition to their current Alive, Curious, Bomber/Keen core.

Samsung would have made a lot of sense last season (before the WCS changes), since they were known for sending their higher profile players to frequent overseas tournaments to increase brand/team exposure and visibility. They have a deep and talented lineup (T heavy) despite surprisingly just missing the R1 playoffs. Their P line w/ ace player Dear and Hurricane behind (along w/ Stork as coach), is already pretty solid and might not have room for another. A lineup in R2 of stars Dear and Solar, along w/ strong regular Reality and a rotating combination of Journey/Hurricane/Bravo, likely doesn't leave much extra space for a new player. But this is a team desperate to improve in R2 and R3 in order to make the season ending playoffs, so if they decide Patience would improve their chances, they'd likely make it work.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-19 09:06:59
March 19 2016 08:59 GMT
#31
On March 19 2016 11:25 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 07:15 Elentos wrote:
On March 19 2016 07:04 seemsgood wrote:
He should join KT.

We don't really need another Protoss. And I'm not sure if he wants to look at the man who 4-0'd him in the S2SL Ro4 every day.

MVP kinda makes sense since he was already staying with them and was originally supposed to play PL for them. CJ and Jin Air are kinda low on players so they should be looking into this. Not sure about Afreeca and Samsung.


Most teams don't need more players hence they are locked out and left to die.

At least that's what I got from iloveoov's statement.

Yeah, but Jin Air and CJ have 6 players each (and CJ is even down to 5 currently). Like, in the year-end playoffs, they have to field their entire roster with no choices to be made. Should at least be on the lookout for options.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 19 2016 09:29 GMT
#32
On March 19 2016 13:32 Orr wrote:
Sorry that his visa situation didn't work out as he wanted. Will enjoy seeing him in PL nonetheless.

Some people commenting here clearly don't watch PL/aren't familiar w/ the current rosters.

JAGW, KT, and SKT are all loaded at P and have zero need. The two teams that make the most sense are CJ and MVP.

From a standpoint of pure need, CJ w/ their threadbare roster (only 5 players while Bbyong is out), makes the most sense. Hush seems to be a much better coach/practice player than actual PL performer. So Patience could easily take his current starting spot (2nd P after herO). A lineup in R2 of herO, Byul, Patience, and Ragnarok starting w/ Bunny and Hush in support (until Bbyong hopefully returns soon) could be a big improvement over their disastrous R1.

MVP also is a logical choice, despite their larger roster (far too T heavy). They already have two core starters in GumiGod and Departure, but their other slots are largely rotational. Patience should be an improvement over their current P (Blaze and Seed) and would be a nice rotation regular. A lineup in R2 of GumiGod, Departure, Patience, and alternating 4th slot between Forte/Blaze w/ Ryung, Seed, and Pet in support should be an improvement over their winless R1.

AF currently has a very small roster and is in need of improved talent and depth at both Z and P. They already have Super (getting a lot of run in R1, to mediocre results) and Billowy, so not sure if they'd want to add a 3rd P. But Patience should be able to quickly become their top P option and would be a solid addition to their current Alive, Curious, Bomber/Keen core.

Samsung would have made a lot of sense last season (before the WCS changes), since they were known for sending their higher profile players to frequent overseas tournaments to increase brand/team exposure and visibility. They have a deep and talented lineup (T heavy) despite surprisingly just missing the R1 playoffs. Their P line w/ ace player Dear and Hurricane behind (along w/ Stork as coach), is already pretty solid and might not have room for another. A lineup in R2 of stars Dear and Solar, along w/ strong regular Reality and a rotating combination of Journey/Hurricane/Bravo, likely doesn't leave much extra space for a new player. But this is a team desperate to improve in R2 and R3 in order to make the season ending playoffs, so if they decide Patience would improve their chances, they'd likely make it work.

Nice summary.
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28481 Posts
March 19 2016 09:52 GMT
#33
Damn, WCS needs a Protoss Koreigner to make it more interesting (for Polt). I hope Stardust gets a visa then.
I Protoss winner, could it be?
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-19 13:02:46
March 19 2016 13:01 GMT
#34
On March 19 2016 06:15 pr1de wrote:
People who say they fucked up sc2 with those new rulez are somewhat right, but blizzard wanted to see how this works. No need for a foreigner pro player to even try get into this game. You know you gonna lose to a Korean.
Not because Korean is a superrace, its because they have teamhouses and play vs best players all the time, and also in real life not online.
It would be a BIG change if the EU or NA starts to make a very large teamhouse, or some teamhouses in about the same area.


But they've had 6 years to do this? There have been and still are a number of team houses (myinsanity and root?) but they still can't compete with the Koreans. I think it must be more that just team houses.
waiting2Bbanned
Profile Joined November 2015
United States154 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-19 13:20:15
March 19 2016 13:19 GMT
#35
But they've had 6 years to do this? There have been and still are a number of team houses (myinsanity and root?) but they still can't compete with the Koreans. I think it must be more that just team houses.


..also Polt just won WCS. Part time student. Big team of 1.
"If you are going to break the law, do it with two thousand people.. and Mozart." - Howard Zinn
todespolka
Profile Joined November 2012
221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-19 14:07:22
March 19 2016 14:01 GMT
#36
On March 19 2016 04:40 Sharkken wrote:
This whole WCS system is fucking up teams and killing opportunities for Koreans to play abroad.

SOSOSOSOSOoooooooooooo Sad


We would not be in this situation if koreans in na played on the server of their region and gave na player the opportunity to practise against them. It was also unfair that organisations such as mlg flew out koreans to their tournaments instead of letting the eco system play out it-self.

The wcs system just tries to correct past mistakes. Also we had already a system in which koreans could compete where they wanted. It did not work out! Just accept it. I am sure he will even earn more money in a proleague team than at dead pixels.

If you throw koreans against foreigners its like throwing a championsleague team in soccer against a regional league (exxagerated). There is no real competition, korean will win no matter what. We had that already.
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 19 2016 14:46 GMT
#37
On March 19 2016 23:01 todespolka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2016 04:40 Sharkken wrote:
This whole WCS system is fucking up teams and killing opportunities for Koreans to play abroad.

SOSOSOSOSOoooooooooooo Sad


We would not be in this situation if koreans in na played on the server of their region and gave na player the opportunity to practise against them. It was also unfair that organisations such as mlg flew out koreans to their tournaments instead of letting the eco system play out it-self.

The wcs system just tries to correct past mistakes. Also we had already a system in which koreans could compete where they wanted. It did not work out! Just accept it. I am sure he will even earn more money in a proleague team than at dead pixels.

If you throw koreans against foreigners its like throwing a championsleague team in soccer against a regional league (exxagerated). There is no real competition, korean will win no matter what. We had that already.

So you think, this will be solved, when we pay to the regional league team the same money that the champion league team earns. This is an idea worth of a genius. Because we did not try this yet, right? :-)
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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
March 19 2016 14:52 GMT
#38
He should go to MVP
Patience/GuMiho/DeParture would be good
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
March 19 2016 15:12 GMT
#39
On March 19 2016 05:59 Circumstance wrote:
A player makes an incredible run in a Korean league and earns the attention of a Proleague team, and a foreign team releases a PR statement because they don't want to say "he left us to play for a better organization". This is a victory for the WCS system.


The alternate reality you're leaving him looks cool. Is SC2 on the rise there ?
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 19 2016 15:18 GMT
#40
On March 19 2016 23:52 Inflicted wrote:
He should go to MVP
Patience/GuMiho/DeParture would be good

I think, he will and that will help MVP. That will be good to cancel the new Prime.
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