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On March 17 2016 09:40 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 07:07 Cricketer12 wrote:On March 17 2016 05:22 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 04:23 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 02:05 Alarak89 wrote:On March 16 2016 22:59 Grizvok wrote:On March 16 2016 22:56 Alarak89 wrote:On March 16 2016 21:01 Charoisaur wrote:
without Maru, INnoVation, PartinG, Life, sOs, Classic, Rain and Flash this looks quite lackluster compared to other ro16s.
I am pretty sure some of them will be back at gsl/ssl season 2 and dominate again  . But some of them will never be back  It's just funny he says Flash when he was mediocre at SC2 his entire career. I would say Flash was kind of OK during the year of 2013, or at least at the beginning of the HoTS. But after that, his performance slumped exponentially he was only mediocre when compared to his BW standards. Just looking at his sc2 achievements (one of the best PL players in 2013/2014+ won a stacked IEM and got to the finals of an MLG and a HSC) he's easily top 10 terran all-time. Oh yeah, he is definitely in top 10, or maybe even in top 5 Terran players. But I would say the performance level between top 3 Terran players (by top 3, you know who I mean) and the rest is HUGE, also there were so many "better" Protoss and Zerg players in HoTS, so his performance was not quite impressive overall to me. I'm pretty sure if he had no BW success and his SC2 achievements would be all he had it would be generally seen as quite impressive. Maybe you're right, I don't watch BW games so I don't know Flash before. IMO he might be among top 20 greatest players in SC2, but definitely not in top 10. Just no... OK then let me rephrase my words, maybe Flash is among top 30 greatest SC2 players, satisfied now?
No....
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On March 17 2016 09:40 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 07:07 Cricketer12 wrote:On March 17 2016 05:22 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 04:23 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 02:05 Alarak89 wrote:On March 16 2016 22:59 Grizvok wrote:On March 16 2016 22:56 Alarak89 wrote:On March 16 2016 21:01 Charoisaur wrote:
without Maru, INnoVation, PartinG, Life, sOs, Classic, Rain and Flash this looks quite lackluster compared to other ro16s.
I am pretty sure some of them will be back at gsl/ssl season 2 and dominate again . But some of them will never be back It's just funny he says Flash when he was mediocre at SC2 his entire career. I would say Flash was kind of OK during the year of 2013, or at least at the beginning of the HoTS. But after that, his performance slumped exponentially he was only mediocre when compared to his BW standards. Just looking at his sc2 achievements (one of the best PL players in 2013/2014+ won a stacked IEM and got to the finals of an MLG and a HSC) he's easily top 10 terran all-time. Oh yeah, he is definitely in top 10, or maybe even in top 5 Terran players. But I would say the performance level between top 3 Terran players (by top 3, you know who I mean) and the rest is HUGE, also there were so many "better" Protoss and Zerg players in HoTS, so his performance was not quite impressive overall to me. I'm pretty sure if he had no BW success and his SC2 achievements would be all he had it would be generally seen as quite impressive. Maybe you're right, I don't watch BW games so I don't know Flash before. IMO he might be among top 20 greatest players in SC2, but definitely not in top 10. Just no... OK then let me rephrase my words, maybe Flash is among top 30 greatest SC2 players, satisfied now?
I can probably name 15 players of each race of the top of my head that are more accomplished.
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On March 17 2016 10:22 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 09:40 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 07:07 Cricketer12 wrote:On March 17 2016 05:22 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 04:23 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 02:05 Alarak89 wrote:On March 16 2016 22:59 Grizvok wrote:On March 16 2016 22:56 Alarak89 wrote:[quote] I am pretty sure some of them will be back at gsl/ssl season 2 and dominate again . But some of them will never be back It's just funny he says Flash when he was mediocre at SC2 his entire career. I would say Flash was kind of OK during the year of 2013, or at least at the beginning of the HoTS. But after that, his performance slumped exponentially he was only mediocre when compared to his BW standards. Just looking at his sc2 achievements (one of the best PL players in 2013/2014+ won a stacked IEM and got to the finals of an MLG and a HSC) he's easily top 10 terran all-time. Oh yeah, he is definitely in top 10, or maybe even in top 5 Terran players. But I would say the performance level between top 3 Terran players (by top 3, you know who I mean) and the rest is HUGE, also there were so many "better" Protoss and Zerg players in HoTS, so his performance was not quite impressive overall to me. I'm pretty sure if he had no BW success and his SC2 achievements would be all he had it would be generally seen as quite impressive. Maybe you're right, I don't watch BW games so I don't know Flash before. IMO he might be among top 20 greatest players in SC2, but definitely not in top 10. Just no... OK then let me rephrase my words, maybe Flash is among top 30 greatest SC2 players, satisfied now? I can probably name 15 players of each race of the top of my head that are more accomplished.
I want to see that list (not that i necessarily disagree with that one, but you really have to factor in Flash's proleague performance as well, which was very good)
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On March 17 2016 09:40 Alarak89 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 07:07 Cricketer12 wrote:On March 17 2016 05:22 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 04:23 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 02:05 Alarak89 wrote:On March 16 2016 22:59 Grizvok wrote:On March 16 2016 22:56 Alarak89 wrote:On March 16 2016 21:01 Charoisaur wrote:
without Maru, INnoVation, PartinG, Life, sOs, Classic, Rain and Flash this looks quite lackluster compared to other ro16s.
I am pretty sure some of them will be back at gsl/ssl season 2 and dominate again . But some of them will never be back It's just funny he says Flash when he was mediocre at SC2 his entire career. I would say Flash was kind of OK during the year of 2013, or at least at the beginning of the HoTS. But after that, his performance slumped exponentially he was only mediocre when compared to his BW standards. Just looking at his sc2 achievements (one of the best PL players in 2013/2014+ won a stacked IEM and got to the finals of an MLG and a HSC) he's easily top 10 terran all-time. Oh yeah, he is definitely in top 10, or maybe even in top 5 Terran players. But I would say the performance level between top 3 Terran players (by top 3, you know who I mean) and the rest is HUGE, also there were so many "better" Protoss and Zerg players in HoTS, so his performance was not quite impressive overall to me. I'm pretty sure if he had no BW success and his SC2 achievements would be all he had it would be generally seen as quite impressive. Maybe you're right, I don't watch BW games so I don't know Flash before. IMO he might be among top 20 greatest players in SC2, but definitely not in top 10. Just no... OK then let me rephrase my words, maybe Flash is among top 30 greatest SC2 players, satisfied now?
After all the players mentioned in Stuichiu's GOAT and HotS GOAT list. He'd be up against (in no particular order):
HerO, Dear, Symbol, HyuN, Curious, Solar, Stardust, Jaedong, San, Squirtle, First, Dream and probably several others I forgot.
This is factoring in his SPL results which is what's largely helping him here.
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On March 17 2016 10:22 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 09:40 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 07:07 Cricketer12 wrote:On March 17 2016 05:22 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 04:23 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 02:05 Alarak89 wrote:On March 16 2016 22:59 Grizvok wrote:On March 16 2016 22:56 Alarak89 wrote:[quote] I am pretty sure some of them will be back at gsl/ssl season 2 and dominate again . But some of them will never be back It's just funny he says Flash when he was mediocre at SC2 his entire career. I would say Flash was kind of OK during the year of 2013, or at least at the beginning of the HoTS. But after that, his performance slumped exponentially he was only mediocre when compared to his BW standards. Just looking at his sc2 achievements (one of the best PL players in 2013/2014+ won a stacked IEM and got to the finals of an MLG and a HSC) he's easily top 10 terran all-time. Oh yeah, he is definitely in top 10, or maybe even in top 5 Terran players. But I would say the performance level between top 3 Terran players (by top 3, you know who I mean) and the rest is HUGE, also there were so many "better" Protoss and Zerg players in HoTS, so his performance was not quite impressive overall to me. I'm pretty sure if he had no BW success and his SC2 achievements would be all he had it would be generally seen as quite impressive. Maybe you're right, I don't watch BW games so I don't know Flash before. IMO he might be among top 20 greatest players in SC2, but definitely not in top 10. Just no... OK then let me rephrase my words, maybe Flash is among top 30 greatest SC2 players, satisfied now? I can probably name 15 players of each race of the top of my head that are more accomplished.
okay then name 15 terrans that are more accomplished than Flash
HerO, Dear, Symbol, HyuN, Curious, Solar, Stardust, Jaedong, San, Squirtle, First, Dream and probably several others I forgot.
I think only Dear, HerO, Hyun and maybe Jaedong had better results than Flash
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On March 17 2016 11:02 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 10:22 Big J wrote:On March 17 2016 09:40 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 07:07 Cricketer12 wrote:On March 17 2016 05:22 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 04:23 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 02:05 Alarak89 wrote:On March 16 2016 22:59 Grizvok wrote:
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It's just funny he says Flash when he was mediocre at SC2 his entire career. I would say Flash was kind of OK during the year of 2013, or at least at the beginning of the HoTS. But after that, his performance slumped exponentially he was only mediocre when compared to his BW standards. Just looking at his sc2 achievements (one of the best PL players in 2013/2014+ won a stacked IEM and got to the finals of an MLG and a HSC) he's easily top 10 terran all-time. Oh yeah, he is definitely in top 10, or maybe even in top 5 Terran players. But I would say the performance level between top 3 Terran players (by top 3, you know who I mean) and the rest is HUGE, also there were so many "better" Protoss and Zerg players in HoTS, so his performance was not quite impressive overall to me. I'm pretty sure if he had no BW success and his SC2 achievements would be all he had it would be generally seen as quite impressive. Maybe you're right, I don't watch BW games so I don't know Flash before. IMO he might be among top 20 greatest players in SC2, but definitely not in top 10. Just no... OK then let me rephrase my words, maybe Flash is among top 30 greatest SC2 players, satisfied now? I can probably name 15 players of each race of the top of my head that are more accomplished. okay then name 15 terrans that are more accomplished than Flash Show nested quote +HerO, Dear, Symbol, HyuN, Curious, Solar, Stardust, Jaedong, San, Squirtle, First, Dream and probably several others I forgot. I think only Dear, HerO, Hyun and maybe Jaedong had better results than Flash
These ten are obvious. Like, if you want to argue about that, I'm not even going to read it. Go to their result pages, then go to Flash's result page.
Mvp, MMA, INnoVation, Maru, Polt, Taeja, Bomber, jjakji, MarineKing, Dream
After that ranking becomes really hard without a system (which in itself goes to show how little flash accomplished). You'll have to start comparing what's more important, two Ro4 GSL or one non-GSL tournament win. 15 GSL seasons or a top 10 rank in alltime proleague statistics. And so on. Anyways, Flash is somewhere in a bulk of players with Puma, Gumiho, aLive, ForGG, Thorzain, Jinro and probably a few others I'm forgetting or I'm to lazy to look up.
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I can probably name 15 players of each race of the top of my head that are more accomplished.[/QUOTE]
okay then name 15 terrans that are more accomplished than Flash
Challenge accepted!
15 terrans who are/were better than Flash:
MVP, MarineKing, Jjaki, Dream, Innovation, Taeja, TY, MMA, Polt, Maru,
If you count 'consistency':
Bomber (Redbull and Code S), Gumiho (SPL/Code S), Bbyong (SPL), Puma (Back in WoL) and SpeeD (if you believe in the hype) hahaha.
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On March 17 2016 11:43 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 11:02 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 10:22 Big J wrote:On March 17 2016 09:40 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 07:07 Cricketer12 wrote:On March 17 2016 05:22 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 04:23 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 02:05 Alarak89 wrote:[quote] I would say Flash was kind of OK during the year of 2013, or at least at the beginning of the HoTS. But after that, his performance slumped exponentially he was only mediocre when compared to his BW standards. Just looking at his sc2 achievements (one of the best PL players in 2013/2014+ won a stacked IEM and got to the finals of an MLG and a HSC) he's easily top 10 terran all-time. Oh yeah, he is definitely in top 10, or maybe even in top 5 Terran players. But I would say the performance level between top 3 Terran players (by top 3, you know who I mean) and the rest is HUGE, also there were so many "better" Protoss and Zerg players in HoTS, so his performance was not quite impressive overall to me. I'm pretty sure if he had no BW success and his SC2 achievements would be all he had it would be generally seen as quite impressive. Maybe you're right, I don't watch BW games so I don't know Flash before. IMO he might be among top 20 greatest players in SC2, but definitely not in top 10. Just no... OK then let me rephrase my words, maybe Flash is among top 30 greatest SC2 players, satisfied now? I can probably name 15 players of each race of the top of my head that are more accomplished. okay then name 15 terrans that are more accomplished than Flash HerO, Dear, Symbol, HyuN, Curious, Solar, Stardust, Jaedong, San, Squirtle, First, Dream and probably several others I forgot. I think only Dear, HerO, Hyun and maybe Jaedong had better results than Flash These ten are obvious. Like, if you want to argue about that, I'm not even going to read it. Go to their result pages, then go to Flash's result page. Mvp, MMA, INnoVation, Maru, Polt, Taeja, Bomber, jjakji, MarineKing, Dream After that ranking becomes really hard without a system (which in itself goes to show how little flash accomplished). You'll have to start comparing what's more important, two Ro4 GSL or one non-GSL tournament win. 15 GSL seasons or a top 10 rank in alltime proleague statistics. And so on. Anyways, Flash is somewhere in a bulk of players with Puma, Gumiho, aLive, ForGG, Thorzain, Jinro and probably a few others I'm forgetting or I'm to lazy to look up.
Jjakji and Gumiho are already arguable. Puma, Thorzain etc aren't at the same lvl as flash in sc2, no way
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On March 16 2016 23:47 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2016 23:43 dNa wrote:
Cure so underrated by most players, literally hasn't dropped a map yet since qualifiers. I really think he can win that group ^_^ Why would you arrive at the conclusion he's underrated by the other players? Nobody said he was easy to beat, and despite him being quiet for the entire show, he was the 3rd last player picked.
whelp, meant to say "most people", wrote that after waking up, my bad ;p
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On March 17 2016 11:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 11:43 Big J wrote:On March 17 2016 11:02 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 10:22 Big J wrote:On March 17 2016 09:40 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 07:07 Cricketer12 wrote:On March 17 2016 05:22 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 04:23 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:
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he was only mediocre when compared to his BW standards. Just looking at his sc2 achievements (one of the best PL players in 2013/2014+ won a stacked IEM and got to the finals of an MLG and a HSC) he's easily top 10 terran all-time. Oh yeah, he is definitely in top 10, or maybe even in top 5 Terran players. But I would say the performance level between top 3 Terran players (by top 3, you know who I mean) and the rest is HUGE, also there were so many "better" Protoss and Zerg players in HoTS, so his performance was not quite impressive overall to me. I'm pretty sure if he had no BW success and his SC2 achievements would be all he had it would be generally seen as quite impressive. Maybe you're right, I don't watch BW games so I don't know Flash before. IMO he might be among top 20 greatest players in SC2, but definitely not in top 10. Just no... OK then let me rephrase my words, maybe Flash is among top 30 greatest SC2 players, satisfied now? I can probably name 15 players of each race of the top of my head that are more accomplished. okay then name 15 terrans that are more accomplished than Flash HerO, Dear, Symbol, HyuN, Curious, Solar, Stardust, Jaedong, San, Squirtle, First, Dream and probably several others I forgot. I think only Dear, HerO, Hyun and maybe Jaedong had better results than Flash These ten are obvious. Like, if you want to argue about that, I'm not even going to read it. Go to their result pages, then go to Flash's result page. Mvp, MMA, INnoVation, Maru, Polt, Taeja, Bomber, jjakji, MarineKing, Dream After that ranking becomes really hard without a system (which in itself goes to show how little flash accomplished). You'll have to start comparing what's more important, two Ro4 GSL or one non-GSL tournament win. 15 GSL seasons or a top 10 rank in alltime proleague statistics. And so on. Anyways, Flash is somewhere in a bulk of players with Puma, Gumiho, aLive, ForGG, Thorzain, Jinro and probably a few others I'm forgetting or I'm to lazy to look up. Jjakji and Gumiho are already arguable. Puma, Thorzain etc aren't at the same lvl as flash in sc2, no way
Puma and Thorzain are both multiple Premier champions. Jjakji won a GSL (and had a few decent results afterwards that alone nearly match flash's premier performances)... last time I checked it was not possible to win something more important.
And I never said they were better players, I said they accomplished more/had better results. More recent players are always objectively better. Games evolve, Pele wouldnt even get to play for brazil these days. He is still the greatest.
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comparing flash to jjakji puma thorzain...
MARINEKING LOL...
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if you want to account for an earlier more immature 2010-2011 era then i guess we better look at what flash was accomplishing in 2010 and 2011 :^)
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On March 17 2016 12:16 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 11:54 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 17 2016 11:43 Big J wrote:On March 17 2016 11:02 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 10:22 Big J wrote:On March 17 2016 09:40 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 07:07 Cricketer12 wrote:On March 17 2016 05:22 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 04:23 Alarak89 wrote:
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Oh yeah, he is definitely in top 10, or maybe even in top 5 Terran players. But I would say the performance level between top 3 Terran players (by top 3, you know who I mean) and the rest is HUGE, also there were so many "better" Protoss and Zerg players in HoTS, so his performance was not quite impressive overall to me. I'm pretty sure if he had no BW success and his SC2 achievements would be all he had it would be generally seen as quite impressive. Maybe you're right, I don't watch BW games so I don't know Flash before. IMO he might be among top 20 greatest players in SC2, but definitely not in top 10. Just no... OK then let me rephrase my words, maybe Flash is among top 30 greatest SC2 players, satisfied now? I can probably name 15 players of each race of the top of my head that are more accomplished. okay then name 15 terrans that are more accomplished than Flash HerO, Dear, Symbol, HyuN, Curious, Solar, Stardust, Jaedong, San, Squirtle, First, Dream and probably several others I forgot. I think only Dear, HerO, Hyun and maybe Jaedong had better results than Flash These ten are obvious. Like, if you want to argue about that, I'm not even going to read it. Go to their result pages, then go to Flash's result page. Mvp, MMA, INnoVation, Maru, Polt, Taeja, Bomber, jjakji, MarineKing, Dream After that ranking becomes really hard without a system (which in itself goes to show how little flash accomplished). You'll have to start comparing what's more important, two Ro4 GSL or one non-GSL tournament win. 15 GSL seasons or a top 10 rank in alltime proleague statistics. And so on. Anyways, Flash is somewhere in a bulk of players with Puma, Gumiho, aLive, ForGG, Thorzain, Jinro and probably a few others I'm forgetting or I'm to lazy to look up. Jjakji and Gumiho are already arguable. Puma, Thorzain etc aren't at the same lvl as flash in sc2, no way Puma and Thorzain are both multiple Premier champions. Jjakji won a GSL (and had a few decent results afterwards that alone nearly match flash's premier performances)... last time I checked it was not possible to win something more important. And I never said they were better players, I said they accomplished more/had better results. More recent players are always objectively better. Games evolve, Pele wouldnt even get to play for brazil these days. He is still the greatest.
Premier champions of tournaments in an way easier time period and tournaments with an easier competition compared to korean tournaments (or even weekend tournaments of today).
I absolutely believe you have to account for that when you wanna do a "best players of all time list" (or call it most accomplished)
Jjakji won a gsl in a time period where the lvl of play wasn't as strong, kespa wasn't even a thing in sc2 back then.
If we only look at results without any context you might be right, i simply think that is a bad way of doing this.
A GSL won in 2011 shouldn't be worth as much as a GSL won in 2015 imo. (not only because the lvl of play itself got way better, but also because of the kespa switch which basically forced the lvl to rise in a very short time period)
Which is also why i disagree with Pele being the greatest, but that is another topic^^
If we only ever look at titles / results alone then imagine if sc2 would have been played for 2 years in the west alone.
Like maybe 2009-2011. Let's say Idra would have won 90% of tournaments in that timeframe, would he really be regarded as the greatest even now? I don't think so.
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Mute City2363 Posts
Go watch jjakji vs leenock and tell me that gameplay was weaker back then
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TY! will be the new terran saviour! GO TERRAN!
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On March 17 2016 13:37 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Go watch jjakji vs leenock and tell me that gameplay was weaker back then
It was. We see better gameplay in ro16 matches these days, which doesn't mean that it wasn't exciting to watch. Imo you mistake one for the other
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On March 17 2016 10:22 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 09:40 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 07:07 Cricketer12 wrote:On March 17 2016 05:22 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 04:36 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 04:23 Alarak89 wrote:On March 17 2016 03:09 Charoisaur wrote:On March 17 2016 02:05 Alarak89 wrote:On March 16 2016 22:59 Grizvok wrote:On March 16 2016 22:56 Alarak89 wrote:[quote] I am pretty sure some of them will be back at gsl/ssl season 2 and dominate again . But some of them will never be back It's just funny he says Flash when he was mediocre at SC2 his entire career. I would say Flash was kind of OK during the year of 2013, or at least at the beginning of the HoTS. But after that, his performance slumped exponentially he was only mediocre when compared to his BW standards. Just looking at his sc2 achievements (one of the best PL players in 2013/2014+ won a stacked IEM and got to the finals of an MLG and a HSC) he's easily top 10 terran all-time. Oh yeah, he is definitely in top 10, or maybe even in top 5 Terran players. But I would say the performance level between top 3 Terran players (by top 3, you know who I mean) and the rest is HUGE, also there were so many "better" Protoss and Zerg players in HoTS, so his performance was not quite impressive overall to me. I'm pretty sure if he had no BW success and his SC2 achievements would be all he had it would be generally seen as quite impressive. Maybe you're right, I don't watch BW games so I don't know Flash before. IMO he might be among top 20 greatest players in SC2, but definitely not in top 10. Just no... OK then let me rephrase my words, maybe Flash is among top 30 greatest SC2 players, satisfied now? I can probably name 15 players of each race of the top of my head that are more accomplished.
Don't forget to name 15 Protoss and Zerg players as well, I am just curious since I didn't watch WoL games
IMO there are only three terran, two zerg and five protoss players considered "greatest" HotS players, the rest are not in the same level compared to my "top 10" list
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On March 17 2016 14:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 13:37 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Go watch jjakji vs leenock and tell me that gameplay was weaker back then It was. We see better gameplay in ro16 matches these days, which doesn't mean that it wasn't exciting to watch. Imo you mistake one for the other
Paralyze made a ro8, he was real not a figment of my imagination.
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On March 17 2016 14:53 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2016 14:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:On March 17 2016 13:37 thecrazymunchkin wrote:
Go watch jjakji vs leenock and tell me that gameplay was weaker back then It was. We see better gameplay in ro16 matches these days, which doesn't mean that it wasn't exciting to watch. Imo you mistake one for the other Paralyze made a ro8, he was real not a figment of my imagination.
And Choya made a ro8 in 2011. Obviously there is always some form of variance in sc2, still. The lvl of play we have now is simply way higher, it's not even comparable.
We also have a lot more potential s class players these days, which is also a reason why i think Mvp's success isn't as impressive as people say (in the context of sc2 as a whole; obviously Mvp is still one of the greatest though, but the clear number one? I don't know about that)
But this is mainly about Flash in the context of all other sc2 players ever, imo he deserves a higher ranking than Puma for sure. Jjakji might be arguable because of his one code s win, but even there Flash probably edges him out imo.
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imo Taeja already won last night even if he goes 0:4 later.
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