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jekku
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada1640 Posts
December 28 2015 09:14 GMT
#261
Noooooo! So sad.
In the rear with the gear!
Rasputincz
Profile Joined May 2011
Czech Republic95 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-28 09:18:16
December 28 2015 09:17 GMT
#262
whole sc2 esports scene "if it can be even called scene" should be shut down entirely. Moderators warning and banning for simply saying the truth "Starcraft 2 DOESNT HAVE any progaming scene anymore" are ridiculous. Dont hide. Face the truth. Our love and passion is gone for good...
http://cs.twitch.tv/raspcz
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 28 2015 09:23 GMT
#263
dude people join sports and leave sports all the time.t I'm still gonna watch and support Starcraft because it'll still be around and so will many others.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Rasputincz
Profile Joined May 2011
Czech Republic95 Posts
December 28 2015 09:27 GMT
#264
On December 28 2015 18:23 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
dude people join sports and leave sports all the time.t I'm still gonna watch and support Starcraft because it'll still be around and so will many others.


I understand also I agree. Circulation of retiring and new players gives the game the longevity in long term. But can you name me atleast three players from S. Korea that "joined" SC2 "still so-called pro scene?" How so that BW has more viewers than SC2 nowadays and that a lot of Koreans rather play BW again (sorry for that rhetorical question).
http://cs.twitch.tv/raspcz
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
December 28 2015 09:35 GMT
#265
On December 28 2015 18:27 Rasputincz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2015 18:23 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
dude people join sports and leave sports all the time.t I'm still gonna watch and support Starcraft because it'll still be around and so will many others.


I understand also I agree. Circulation of retiring and new players gives the game the longevity in long term. But can you name me atleast three players from S. Korea that "joined" SC2 "still so-called pro scene?" How so that BW has more viewers than SC2 nowadays and that a lot of Koreans rather play BW again (sorry for that rhetorical question).

Player streams aren't as popular for SC2, but tournaments still get really good viewership and there is a demand for tournaments so the pro scene in that sense is good. You do have a point though in that there isn't a lot being done to foster new talent, we haven't had a breakout star from Korean since Solar so I think we need to do something about that.

Also I think a lot of Koreans are streaming BW because a) the money is good and b) it's a game that they grew up with and really and enjoy and have a passion. The same can be said about Sc2 both competitively and casually imo
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-28 09:52:02
December 28 2015 09:51 GMT
#266
On December 28 2015 07:22 iSometric wrote:
Best of luck to him. I was a big fan of him in BW and SC2.

[image loading]


Rofl. That battlecruiser. Who was it against ? I don't remember.
I don't know that korean name
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
nighcol
Profile Joined January 2012
298 Posts
December 28 2015 09:52 GMT
#267
On December 28 2015 18:17 Rasputincz wrote:
whole sc2 esports scene "if it can be even called scene" should be shut down entirely. Moderators warning and banning for simply saying the truth "Starcraft 2 DOESNT HAVE any progaming scene anymore" are ridiculous. Dont hide. Face the truth. Our love and passion is gone for good...


Oh please. There is still a considerable scene. We have players that are true professionals both in Korea and outside of it. Seems like it has shrunk on the Korean side, while lots of foreigners seem to have renewed interest for obvious reasons.

Even the closest thing to compare to, BW, is still much smaller and I don't think there is anyone that is doing it professionally. Games like Quake lingered on with much less support for a long time and there many titles that have never been anywhere near the level of current SC2 and still managed to have meaningful competitive play.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
December 28 2015 10:03 GMT
#268
On December 28 2015 18:51 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2015 07:22 iSometric wrote:
Best of luck to him. I was a big fan of him in BW and SC2.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Rofl. That battlecruiser. Who was it against ? I don't remember.
I don't know that korean name

Calm (or maybe Clam)
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2954 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-28 10:39:40
December 28 2015 10:38 GMT
#269
Well, seems like Blizzard's plan to make the foreign scene stronger really works!
-> New WCS System -> Koreans retire -> more and more Koreans lose interest -> Less competition for foreigners -> Foreigners are better in comparison -> a foreigner wins Blizzcon because all the Koreans are gone -> success!

It's sad to see so many Koreans go. But let's face it: for these foreign-Koreans, there was basically no other way out due to the new WCS system and I think that's really bad. Making one region stronger and give them more money by destroying another scene just seems odd to me.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-28 10:52:36
December 28 2015 10:51 GMT
#270
On December 28 2015 19:03 c3rberUs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2015 18:51 FFW_Rude wrote:
On December 28 2015 07:22 iSometric wrote:
Best of luck to him. I was a big fan of him in BW and SC2.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Rofl. That battlecruiser. Who was it against ? I don't remember.
I don't know that korean name

Calm (or maybe Clam)


Oh yeah it was Calm. Thanks

On December 28 2015 19:38 Swisslink wrote:
Well, seems like Blizzard's plan to make the foreign scene stronger really works!
-> New WCS System -> Koreans retire -> more and more Koreans lose interest -> Less competition for foreigners -> Foreigners are better in comparison -> a foreigner wins Blizzcon because all the Koreans are gone -> success!

It's sad to see so many Koreans go. But let's face it: for these foreign-Koreans, there was basically no other way out due to the new WCS system and I think that's really bad. Making one region stronger and give them more money by destroying another scene just seems odd to me.


Yeah since Fantasy was apparently banned by Kespa he had nowhere to go
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
Espartaquen
Profile Joined September 2015
88 Posts
December 28 2015 11:10 GMT
#271
Sadly, not a healthy scene, but you should stop it with WCS Changes, even though detrimental they are probably not the biggest reason for this wave of retirements, If pros are losing passion its because the game they play is not as good anymore. It hurts to say this but LOTV is not going to revitalize the scene, even less when the implemented changes have been awful for a considerable amount of the community. Still, I understand that people still like this game.
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
December 28 2015 11:12 GMT
#272
Another one T_T

Please start playing BW again Fantasy!
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
December 28 2015 11:18 GMT
#273
NONONONONO Say it isnt so! Fantasy was my man. I have the dead pixels as my team solely because of him.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
December 28 2015 11:26 GMT
#274
Thanks for all the memories Fantasy
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
December 28 2015 11:35 GMT
#275
Flash MMA Rain and now Fanatsy. All my old favorites are retiring. Only TY Classic and maybe one two others that I like are left.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
December 28 2015 11:59 GMT
#276
He was supposed to be the last to retire. He was supposed to never give up. Fantasy where is your gg timing.
Try TL Mafia!!!
Taco87
Profile Joined February 2012
Norway72 Posts
December 28 2015 12:12 GMT
#277
Damn it..
Kittan
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland3999 Posts
December 28 2015 12:54 GMT
#278
Time to practice eating burgers and dropping Vultures.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81288 <--- How I fell in love with a man, a team, a game and a website in a single day... | "There are no false gods, there is only the Emperor, and Choi Yun Sung is his prophet." -> Zona 40k
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
December 28 2015 12:59 GMT
#279
We will never see another TRUE vs Fantasy
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
BladeMasterPro
Profile Joined November 2015
24 Posts
December 28 2015 14:32 GMT
#280
Ah this sucks
But as the old legends leave, new legends will be made
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