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SCguineapig
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Netherlands289 Posts
December 28 2015 14:41 GMT
#281
Remember that alot of these retirements are because of it being the end of the year and GSL and proleague coming up. Many players retire because they feel they can't compete the entire year/have no chance. I think it has little to do with the state of the game or the competetive scene.
broodwar wasn't perfect
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
December 28 2015 14:47 GMT
#282
Have a good rest, fantasy

i always enjoyed watching him play or stream
maru lover forever
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45339 Posts
December 28 2015 14:57 GMT
#283
Another SKT legend

Who becomes the successor of the Fantasy GG Timing?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
December 28 2015 15:20 GMT
#284
On December 28 2015 10:43 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2015 09:44 showstealer1829 wrote:
On December 28 2015 09:29 20-Minute-Jackal wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of korean pros retiring, but my question is, are there any new korean players coming into the scene to replace them?


Nope and with the changes to WCS there won't be either

Yes I'm sure all the up and coming new Korean players would have flown out to IEMs and the like, placed in the top 4 so they are able to earn the same amount they will get from Code A next year. It doesn't really matter if you don't like the WCS changes, it's just lazy to blame everything on them. This problem would still exist without WCS and the new system looks like it offers better incentives to upcoming players in Korea.



They would still have to qualify for Code A, which is harder and of a higher quality than ANY IEM or DH that they would have been flown out for, plus if they fail and they're not a main team KeSPA guy on a proleague team they have nothing to do for half the year thanks to the WCS changes.

In short. I stand by my original statement
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-28 15:42:53
December 28 2015 15:24 GMT
#285
On December 29 2015 00:20 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2015 10:43 Ansibled wrote:
On December 28 2015 09:44 showstealer1829 wrote:
On December 28 2015 09:29 20-Minute-Jackal wrote:
I'm seeing a lot of korean pros retiring, but my question is, are there any new korean players coming into the scene to replace them?


Nope and with the changes to WCS there won't be either

Yes I'm sure all the up and coming new Korean players would have flown out to IEMs and the like, placed in the top 4 so they are able to earn the same amount they will get from Code A next year. It doesn't really matter if you don't like the WCS changes, it's just lazy to blame everything on them. This problem would still exist without WCS and the new system looks like it offers better incentives to upcoming players in Korea.



They would still have to qualify for Code A, which is harder and of a higher quality than ANY IEM or DH that they would have been flown out for, plus if they fail and they're not a main team KeSPA guy on a proleague team they have nothing to do for half the year thanks to the WCS changes.

In short. I stand by my original statement

How is qualifying for Code A harder than winning the Korean qualifiers for IEM?

There are other Korean tournaments, but the problem of doing nothing would exist in either system if they failed to qualify for events. Should probably make another thread to talk about this so it doesn't clutter FanTaSy's retirement thread up more though.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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pr0n3d91
Profile Joined September 2009
18 Posts
December 28 2015 15:31 GMT
#286
Good Luck FantaSy,

Go play brood war will be much more fun :D
lol
REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
December 28 2015 15:51 GMT
#287
In retrospect it wasn't very smart from Rain, Fanta, Soulkey etc. to break their contracts with SK Telecom and to get banned from KeSPA teams for lifetime (in progaming years). But then again maybe they wanted to retire anyway and wanted to spend time abroad first.
S4 Arrows, never forget. RIP Woongjin Stars.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
December 28 2015 16:01 GMT
#288
On December 29 2015 00:51 REyeM wrote:
In retrospect it wasn't very smart from Rain, Fanta, Soulkey etc. to break their contracts with SK Telecom and to get banned from KeSPA teams for lifetime (in progaming years). But then again maybe they wanted to retire anyway and wanted to spend time abroad first.


wat. I didn't know about this. Why? o_O
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-28 16:15:07
December 28 2015 16:11 GMT
#289
On December 29 2015 01:01 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 00:51 REyeM wrote:
In retrospect it wasn't very smart from Rain, Fanta, Soulkey etc. to break their contracts with SK Telecom and to get banned from KeSPA teams for lifetime (in progaming years). But then again maybe they wanted to retire anyway and wanted to spend time abroad first.


wat. I didn't know about this. Why? o_O


I'm sure he meant in terms of Proleague. They're not actually banned from the teams, but what team would pay Rain's salary when the guy can't actually play?

I see where REyeM is coming from. Especially in DRG's case, although you didn't mention him. That was always completely bizarre to me. Guy left a Korean team to go abroad, without having a foreign team lined up, right before a new year with new WCS rules, right before new expansion that could make him look very unappealing if he didn't adapt to the game faster than others. Whhaaaatttt? That's a career ending move if ever I've seen one. Now two+ months later still no foreign team, no Korean team, and no proleague forever even if he comes back. And he's not super likely to get invited to lots of foreign backed invitationals, compared to some other Koreans (eg parting).

I don't see how DRG isn't another retirement just waiting to happen.
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
December 28 2015 16:22 GMT
#290
On December 29 2015 01:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 01:01 Qikz wrote:
On December 29 2015 00:51 REyeM wrote:
In retrospect it wasn't very smart from Rain, Fanta, Soulkey etc. to break their contracts with SK Telecom and to get banned from KeSPA teams for lifetime (in progaming years). But then again maybe they wanted to retire anyway and wanted to spend time abroad first.


wat. I didn't know about this. Why? o_O


I'm sure he meant in terms of Proleague. They're not actually banned from the teams, but what team would pay Rain's salary when the guy can't actually play?

I see where REyeM is coming from. Especially in DRG's case, although you didn't mention him. That was always completely bizarre to me. Guy left a Korean team to go abroad, without having a foreign team lined up, right before a new year with new WCS rules, right before new expansion that could make him look very unappealing if he didn't adapt to the game faster than others. Whhaaaatttt? That's a career ending move if ever I've seen one. Now two+ months later still no foreign team, no Korean team, and no proleague forever even if he comes back. And he's not super likely to get invited to lots of foreign backed invitationals, compared to some other Koreans (eg parting).

I don't see how DRG isn't another retirement just waiting to happen.


I don't think DRG broke any contracts. Pretty sure hes able to play in proleague for any time at this point. I meant specifically players that were involved in:
www.teamliquid.net

On December 29 2015 01:01 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 00:51 REyeM wrote:
In retrospect it wasn't very smart from Rain, Fanta, Soulkey etc. to break their contracts with SK Telecom and to get banned from KeSPA teams for lifetime (in progaming years). But then again maybe they wanted to retire anyway and wanted to spend time abroad first.


wat. I didn't know about this. Why? o_O


And yeah, sorry, I meant banned from playing in proleague which pretty much means nobody will sign them. Atleast not for decent $$
S4 Arrows, never forget. RIP Woongjin Stars.
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
December 28 2015 16:27 GMT
#291
On December 29 2015 01:22 REyeM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 01:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
On December 29 2015 01:01 Qikz wrote:
On December 29 2015 00:51 REyeM wrote:
In retrospect it wasn't very smart from Rain, Fanta, Soulkey etc. to break their contracts with SK Telecom and to get banned from KeSPA teams for lifetime (in progaming years). But then again maybe they wanted to retire anyway and wanted to spend time abroad first.


wat. I didn't know about this. Why? o_O


I'm sure he meant in terms of Proleague. They're not actually banned from the teams, but what team would pay Rain's salary when the guy can't actually play?

I see where REyeM is coming from. Especially in DRG's case, although you didn't mention him. That was always completely bizarre to me. Guy left a Korean team to go abroad, without having a foreign team lined up, right before a new year with new WCS rules, right before new expansion that could make him look very unappealing if he didn't adapt to the game faster than others. Whhaaaatttt? That's a career ending move if ever I've seen one. Now two+ months later still no foreign team, no Korean team, and no proleague forever even if he comes back. And he's not super likely to get invited to lots of foreign backed invitationals, compared to some other Koreans (eg parting).

I don't see how DRG isn't another retirement just waiting to happen.


I don't think DRG broke any contracts. Pretty sure hes able to play in proleague for any time at this point. I meant specifically players that were involved in:
www.teamliquid.net


Weird. DRG was only on SBENU for six months. Are KeSPA contracts measured in PL seasons instead of calendar years?
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
December 28 2015 16:36 GMT
#292
On December 29 2015 01:22 REyeM wrote:
And yeah, sorry, I meant banned from playing in proleague which pretty much means nobody will sign them. Atleast not for decent $$


They're not banned from playing Proleague either afaik... Just that their rights belong to SKT, so they have to either rejoin SKT or make SKT sell/gift the rights to other team.

I think we should stop calling it a ban, it confuses a lot of people
REyeM
Profile Joined August 2014
2674 Posts
December 28 2015 16:41 GMT
#293
On December 29 2015 01:27 pure.Wasted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2015 01:22 REyeM wrote:
On December 29 2015 01:11 pure.Wasted wrote:
On December 29 2015 01:01 Qikz wrote:
On December 29 2015 00:51 REyeM wrote:
In retrospect it wasn't very smart from Rain, Fanta, Soulkey etc. to break their contracts with SK Telecom and to get banned from KeSPA teams for lifetime (in progaming years). But then again maybe they wanted to retire anyway and wanted to spend time abroad first.


wat. I didn't know about this. Why? o_O


I'm sure he meant in terms of Proleague. They're not actually banned from the teams, but what team would pay Rain's salary when the guy can't actually play?

I see where REyeM is coming from. Especially in DRG's case, although you didn't mention him. That was always completely bizarre to me. Guy left a Korean team to go abroad, without having a foreign team lined up, right before a new year with new WCS rules, right before new expansion that could make him look very unappealing if he didn't adapt to the game faster than others. Whhaaaatttt? That's a career ending move if ever I've seen one. Now two+ months later still no foreign team, no Korean team, and no proleague forever even if he comes back. And he's not super likely to get invited to lots of foreign backed invitationals, compared to some other Koreans (eg parting).

I don't see how DRG isn't another retirement just waiting to happen.


I don't think DRG broke any contracts. Pretty sure hes able to play in proleague for any time at this point. I meant specifically players that were involved in:
www.teamliquid.net


Weird. DRG was only on SBENU for six months. Are KeSPA contracts measured in PL seasons instead of calendar years?


Idk but I'm pretty sure he left after regular season ended plus no one said anything about it so I'm sure he'll be okay.

I think the problem is when you like sign a contract for 5 years/seasons and leave after 2, 3 etc.
S4 Arrows, never forget. RIP Woongjin Stars.
DimmuKlok
Profile Joined June 2010
United States225 Posts
December 28 2015 16:52 GMT
#294
That's too bad. I loved watching him in BW, and I'll never forget that last proleague in 2012 vs flash. He had great games in SC2 as well. You'll be missed!
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-28 19:32:22
December 28 2015 19:31 GMT
#295
Flash, Fantasy.

Though I am a Zerg player, I know a good player when I see one. Flash could be one of the greatest gamers ever lived. Still, he didn't manage to overshadow other terrans, like of Fantasy's caliber.

When Youtube shows me suggestions which are Starcraft games, I cannot watch them all. But when Fantasy plays, I have to watch it.

Jangbi maybe won the last two times, but I still like Fantasy. Fantasy, a player who defined terran gameplay.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
OrangeGarage
Profile Joined October 2015
Korea (South)319 Posts
December 29 2015 00:01 GMT
#296
I come to this thread just to make sure this isn't a big dream... FanTaSy reminds me of Boxer with everything he does. The hours of practice he put in to keep up with the latest meta, leaving SKT1 for uncharted waters just so he could show as many possible games to his fans while he still had time. So reminiscent of Boxer as he grew to be an old gamer and later transitioned to WoL.... I think FanTaSy is the only player that can actually be called the heir to Boxer other than iloveoov.
For me, Boxer's lineage ends here.
I am drone! My dream is Hatchery!
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12025 Posts
December 29 2015 00:15 GMT
#297
On December 29 2015 09:01 RCCar wrote:
I come to this thread just to make sure this isn't a big dream... FanTaSy reminds me of Boxer with everything he does. The hours of practice he put in to keep up with the latest meta, leaving SKT1 for uncharted waters just so he could show as many possible games to his fans while he still had time. So reminiscent of Boxer as he grew to be an old gamer and later transitioned to WoL.... I think FanTaSy is the only player that can actually be called the heir to Boxer other than iloveoov.
For me, Boxer's lineage ends here.


sSak is next in line for me. He uses a lot of the builds FanTaSy got from oov and still plays like a true SKTerran.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
drifterr
Profile Joined December 2015
23 Posts
December 29 2015 00:16 GMT
#298
i will miss the fantasy gg timings.
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
December 29 2015 02:20 GMT
#299
On December 28 2015 18:51 FFW_Rude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2015 07:22 iSometric wrote:
Best of luck to him. I was a big fan of him in BW and SC2.

[image loading]


Rofl. That battlecruiser. Who was it against ? I don't remember.
I don't know that korean name

Yep, it was after Calm 4 pooled twice, then Fantasy busted out the dancing BC's.
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Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
December 29 2015 14:24 GMT
#300
Another favourite retires, that is sad. But we still have the memories. Good luck Fanta!
FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
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