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Match-fixing: Prosecutor's Report - Page 2

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CynicalDeath
Profile Joined January 2012
Italy3669 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 16:08:48
October 19 2015 16:08 GMT
#21
...thanks for the translation!

...no words for describing the sadness this kind of stuff can infuse me... meh..
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
October 19 2015 16:42 GMT
#22
Thanks for the translation.

We suspected this has been happening for a while. Positively, they've finally caught some of the people involved. Hopefully this discourages it from happening again, at least for a while...
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Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
October 19 2015 17:05 GMT
#23
On October 19 2015 21:18 DoctorHot wrote:
It always amazes me that it isn't the bad players who are throwing players but the ones who have been really good. But then again, they have more to gain - since they're good, more people will be betting FOR them, and they'll be able to make more money off the loss. So maybe they good players are what you need to watch out for? I'm all confused now.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Yoda the underdog in all of those matches?

In which case it is the perfect situation for a gambler to fix. Yoda's good enough to drive action on the game, but as an underdog no one will bat an eye if he loses. Even if he does a bad job pretending, then it's just him 'cracking under pressure' of facing a better opponent.

Not that I'm an expert on match-fixing, but that's how I understand it working, you bet the underdog in order to remove uncertainty (because that's all you care about, going from 75% odds to 100%) and avoid suspicion. If you get greedy and pay the favorite the take dives, well you have to offer him a lot more for one and it's a lot more suspicious for two.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
October 19 2015 17:25 GMT
#24
thanks very much for your hard work
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xtorn
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
4060 Posts
October 19 2015 17:34 GMT
#25
Just... wow.
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
October 19 2015 17:36 GMT
#26
On October 20 2015 02:05 Wuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 21:18 DoctorHot wrote:
It always amazes me that it isn't the bad players who are throwing players but the ones who have been really good. But then again, they have more to gain - since they're good, more people will be betting FOR them, and they'll be able to make more money off the loss. So maybe they good players are what you need to watch out for? I'm all confused now.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Yoda the underdog in all of those matches?

In which case it is the perfect situation for a gambler to fix. Yoda's good enough to drive action on the game, but as an underdog no one will bat an eye if he loses. Even if he does a bad job pretending, then it's just him 'cracking under pressure' of facing a better opponent.

Not that I'm an expert on match-fixing, but that's how I understand it working, you bet the underdog in order to remove uncertainty (because that's all you care about, going from 75% odds to 100%) and avoid suspicion. If you get greedy and pay the favorite the take dives, well you have to offer him a lot more for one and it's a lot more suspicious for two.


It's a sound theory, it would lend credence to the Innovation and Soulkey suspect matches being the "fake" fixes at least
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
October 19 2015 19:00 GMT
#27
Thanks for the detailed translation that makes it all a lot more clear.

I also like the graphics.
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masterrn
Profile Joined January 2015
72 Posts
October 19 2015 19:12 GMT
#28
wait what about MarineKingPrime getting crawler rushed??
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
October 19 2015 19:17 GMT
#29
On October 20 2015 04:12 masterrn wrote:
wait what about MarineKingPrime getting crawler rushed??


Depends on who's telling the story. Either no proof found or still being investigated. I'd like to think the former and he just went full MarineKing
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Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
October 19 2015 19:23 GMT
#30
On October 20 2015 02:36 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 02:05 Wuster wrote:
On October 19 2015 21:18 DoctorHot wrote:
It always amazes me that it isn't the bad players who are throwing players but the ones who have been really good. But then again, they have more to gain - since they're good, more people will be betting FOR them, and they'll be able to make more money off the loss. So maybe they good players are what you need to watch out for? I'm all confused now.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Yoda the underdog in all of those matches?

In which case it is the perfect situation for a gambler to fix. Yoda's good enough to drive action on the game, but as an underdog no one will bat an eye if he loses. Even if he does a bad job pretending, then it's just him 'cracking under pressure' of facing a better opponent.

Not that I'm an expert on match-fixing, but that's how I understand it working, you bet the underdog in order to remove uncertainty (because that's all you care about, going from 75% odds to 100%) and avoid suspicion. If you get greedy and pay the favorite the take dives, well you have to offer him a lot more for one and it's a lot more suspicious for two.


It's a sound theory, it would lend credence to the Innovation and Soulkey suspect matches being the "fake" fixes at least


Keep in mind there was speculation that a lot of games aren't actually being fixed in the traditional sense, but to manipulate prop bets like game time, units killed, expansions taken, ect. I don't know the validity of those but some anonymous posters talked about it in the past. I could probably dig up the links if it's not too off topic.

On October 20 2015 04:17 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 04:12 masterrn wrote:
wait what about MarineKingPrime getting crawler rushed??


Depends on who's telling the story. Either no proof found or still being investigated. I'd like to think the former and he just went full MarineKing


I would like to believe that as the investigation was so centered on Gerrald / Prime that anyone closely associated would have been thoroughly invested, including MK (he basically was bankrolling the team back when he was good and stuck around for ages). But I don't/can't know for sure, so maybe that's just me naively hoping for the best.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55578 Posts
October 19 2015 19:34 GMT
#31
Well there was already an official statement regarding MK saying that they were unable to find evidence of matchfixing for that game. So, probably dropped forever.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17537 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 19:44:53
October 19 2015 19:36 GMT
#32
i say, double WaxAngel's post total for this post alone.

thanks for the hard work.

For North American readers.. we need some guy with a John Madden voice to describe the diagram with all teh arrows..
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joshie0808
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1024 Posts
October 19 2015 19:44 GMT
#33
Thanks for the translation Wax! Haha nice diagrams they made to illustrate the flow.
ThorPool
Profile Joined February 2014
Panama145 Posts
October 19 2015 19:56 GMT
#34
The worst part is that the HEAD COACH ! made it possible that the players got into all that :/ Trust has to be there in a team and the H.coach should protect and defend his players. A really sad day,and Yoda and BBBB will pay the consequences.
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Kerence
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1817 Posts
October 19 2015 20:05 GMT
#35
Thanks for the translation Waxangel, much appreciated.
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Gilgamesh11
Profile Joined September 2013
South Africa23 Posts
October 19 2015 20:10 GMT
#36
Wait. Wait. How long will the be behind bars?
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Gilgamesh11
Profile Joined September 2013
South Africa23 Posts
October 19 2015 20:12 GMT
#37
At least Creator got the fuck away before the shit hit the fan.
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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3491 Posts
October 19 2015 20:42 GMT
#38
On October 20 2015 05:12 Gilgamesh11 wrote:
At least Creator got the fuck away before the shit hit the fan.

Genuinely feel bad for any player on Prime. A headcoach that is willing to go through so much to come by, cannot imagine the amount of pressure some of the players were put under by him.
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BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
October 19 2015 20:51 GMT
#39
After YoDa was paid to match-fix once, the brokers blackmailed YoDa into manipulating additional matches free of compensation by threatening to expose his doings.


And this is when YoDa got a chronic stomach pain I suspect. Going from cool progamer dude to, well, some (presumably) rather hairy gangster's plaything...
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Gilgamesh11
Profile Joined September 2013
South Africa23 Posts
October 19 2015 20:58 GMT
#40
On October 20 2015 05:51 BaneRiders wrote:
Show nested quote +
After YoDa was paid to match-fix once, the brokers blackmailed YoDa into manipulating additional matches free of compensation by threatening to expose his doings.


And this is when YoDa got a chronic stomach pain I suspect. Going from cool progamer dude to, well, some (presumably) rather hairy gangster's plaything...


Once you are a part of the cycle there is no exit unless death or prison I suspect... T'is a shame for Yoda. So young and talented and now he's off to prison for an epic fail judgement call. I feel a wee bit bad for B4 but Gerard seems like a shameless, manipulating ass hat. No better than a criminal. But I don't know what their living condition is like so I'm just speculating.
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