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[SPL'15] Egalitarian Week

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July 26th, 2015 05:58 GMT
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Egalitarian Week

Week 1 Recap

Week 2 Preview

Egalitarian Week



Banjoe was feeling rather egalitarian this week, so coverage will feature shorter but more inclusive segments on every team. And it's not just because he feels bad for Prime (he doesn't).

Week 1 Recap



SK Telecom T1 3 - 0 Prime


To nobody's surprise, SKT T1 demolished their opponents in a quick 3-0 sweep. You can't fault Prime for trying their best (presumably), and it's not like they had any adjustments to make without Creator—they only have four players left sans the iG guys. It guarantees that KeeN, B4, YoDa and TANGTANG all have to be fielded, which makes planning against them even easier. Even though their current 'best' player, YoDa, was matched up against INnoVation in the SKT Terran's weakest matchup, they still couldn't steal a game from the Round 3 Champs. It's going to be a very, very short round for Prime.
Fact of the Match: soO is still undefeated in ZvZ (9-0).

Samsung Galaxy 3 - 0 Jin Air Green Wings


Didn't see that coming, did you? Stork sure made Cha Ji Hoon feel silly for not playing his A-team against Samsung's Terran Trio Plus Dear. Yes, BravO is considered one of the craftiest TvT snipers in Proleague, but it was an odd sight to see him straight up outplay Maru. Journey rounded off the win with a flawless defense of Trap's dark templar play, solidifying his position as Samsung's alternate. Perhaps Samsung have actually turned the corner and supplant one of perennial playoff players. Perhaps Stork shuffles his deck again and they barely miss the cut.
Fact of the Match: Dear still loves his gateway allins in PvZ.

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Wait, why are you holding up six fingers?


MVP 2 - 3 Sbenu-yoe Flash Wolves




Seed: "At least Solar's still worse at ace matches than I am."
Photo by Shayla


In the only match that lasted all five sets in Week 1, the DreamHack Valencia champion Curious solidified his status as a top Zerg with two wins to secure Sbenu's victory. After his defense of HerO's clever build and DongRaeGu's defense of LosirA's extreme aggression, MVP managed to take back a couple games with solid macro out of Blaze (Panic) and DeParture, despite the latter's failed bust early on. Curious' mutalisks proved to be too much for Seed in the ace match, and MVP questioned their decision not to play MarineKing instead. Just kidding.
Fact of the Match: Jjakji tried to bait DeParture's mutalisks into a six widow mine trap, similar to what won him Game 5 at IEM Katowice in 2014, but it didn't work.

CJ Entus 1 - 3 KT Rolster



Flash: "I was like, 'oh wait you're dead lol'"
Photo by Shayla


Only a slight improvement on their previous performance against KT, CJ managed to win one game this time before dropping the next three. Somehow that one map that CJ managed to win could be the most damaging. All the progress that Stats has made in earning recognition for his skill has likely taken a hit due to his loss to Trust and his subsequent ouster from S2SL. The Waldo Toss should be able to recover; fortunately his teammates are finally up to speed. Life controlled the game against ByuL from start to finish, Flash denied herO his revenge, and Zest held on after Bbyong's army suicide killed 16 probes but not a nexus. Another disappointing loss for CJ in the books sends them down to 6th place to start off Round 4.
Fact of the Match, sponsored by TL Strat: If a Terran takes no damage with a fast (earlier than 6 minutes) third command center opening against herO Protoss, the SCV pull will be nearly unstoppable.

Week 2 Preview



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Overview
Although they could not return the favor against KT last week, CJ will try their best to do so against Sbenu this week after losing 1-3 to them in Round 3. Sbenu, on the other hand, have shown marked improvement since their roster revamp, and should be out to punish CJ for sliding into the Round 3 playoffs spot that Sbenu had all but secured.
What to watch for: Despite CJ's overall strength against Zerg, Sbenu have chosen to field three. Most intriguing is the rematch between Leenock and ByuL, who already played one of the most entertaining ZvZs in Proleague this season. Also noteworthy is another PvT for herO against another Terran who loves SCV pulls.
Map of the Match: Curious vs Bbyong on Cactus Valley - Will Curious' rise continue?



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Overview
KT decided that this week they would play TY instead of Stats, which has thus far been essentially their only roster deviation. MVP's only adjustment was to give HerO a rest in favor of the now-Code S GuMiho. These two teams have already produced some of the most entertaining matches this season—each with one win in the ace match—and with any luck they will continue that trend.
What to watch for: Blaze didn't draw Flash this time, so if there's a hilarious allin he's planning, it'll have to be against Life, who is equally likely to cheese him first. TY vs GuMiho has the potential to be a great TvT with cool builds from both sides.
Map of the Match: Zest vs Losira on Terraform - Which side of the gold base will Losira take?



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Overview
If Samsung have what it takes to 3-0 Jin Air, then Prime's chances of winning this match look slimmer than their roster size. However, Samsung decided to play the unrivaled worst player in Proleague this season, Solar (1-13), and the remarkably inconsistent Armani and Hurricane. Yup, that's Coach Stork for you.
What to watch for: It's unclear if BBoongBBoong's best matchup is ZvZ or if he's just fodder for players like soO, but he is fortunate enough to be playing Solar, so there is a glimmer of hope for Prime. YoDa against The Designer Zerg is also winnable, and that means there might be a rematch of Dear versus TANGTANG. That will realistically only be exciting because of the Prime Terran's flavorful use of caps lock, but exciting nonetheless.
Map of the Match: BBoongBBoong vs Solar on Cactus Valley - Someone has to win, right??


Oh Dear, did someone say TANGTANG?




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Overview
If this had been any other week, this likely would have been the highlight of the week. The Round 3 finalists both feature lineups that are at least five men deep with Code S or S2SL talent, but Jin Air's capitulation against Samsung coupled with some rough form from Rogue and Cure (and arguably Maru) suggest that this could be a bop. Even though this tie always promises at least one or two games that could just as easily be the semifinals of a premier league, Bo1s often favor the team with momentum.
What to watch for: Maru and Classic are arguably the best players in the TvP matchup currently, so this should certainly be a treat. Rogue couldn't quite handle INnoVation in the Round 3 Finals, but his ZvT overall is still extremely strong. There's no doubt this one could go the other way around. Cure has beaten Dark in all three of their Proleague meetings, but they are both also top level in the ZvT matchup with ridiculous mechanical skill.
Map of the Match: sOs vs soO on Cactus Valley - This probably won't be standard

Writers: banjoetheredskin, lichter
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Photo Credit: Thedailydot, Shayla
Editor(s): lichter
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Ja.Y.
Profile Joined February 2015
United States253 Posts
July 26 2015 06:08 GMT
#2
Curious has tasted the blood of winning a championship. Now, he's out for the blood of everyone else!

Can't wait for this week's match ups! Thanks for the write up :D
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
July 26 2015 06:25 GMT
#3
Maaan sOs vs soO gona be sicxity
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Yiome
Profile Joined February 2014
China1687 Posts
July 26 2015 08:36 GMT
#4
Thanks for the post.
DRG vT finally, this might be good...
Not sure about sOs vs soO though,it might end quite in an anti-climax way. But still every match in this week definitely worth a watch
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-26 08:42:49
July 26 2015 08:42 GMT
#5
Even though this tie always promises at least one or two games that could just as easily be the semifinals of a premier league, Bo1s often favor the team with momentum.


is this an actual thing? casters talk about "momentum" all the fucking time but i have never seen any rigorous analysis on whether it is actually true. are teams, who won a lot in the recent past more likely to win again? it needs to be so much more that it is not just the effect of the team being better (hence winning a lot in recent times) but an actual "momentum" effect. until there is such a thing nobody should use that word imo.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
July 26 2015 09:01 GMT
#6
On July 26 2015 17:42 Greenei wrote:
Show nested quote +
Even though this tie always promises at least one or two games that could just as easily be the semifinals of a premier league, Bo1s often favor the team with momentum.


is this an actual thing? casters talk about "momentum" all the fucking time but i have never seen any rigorous analysis on whether it is actually true. are teams, who won a lot in the recent past more likely to win again? it needs to be so much more that it is not just the effect of the team being better (hence winning a lot in recent times) but an actual "momentum" effect. until there is such a thing nobody should use that word imo.


there are two components to it, form and confidence.

winning builds confidence, and confidence is important in competition. anyone who has played sports competitively can attest to that. lack of confidence breeds doubt and worry while self belief can keep you focused and determined. look at Solar. he's doing okay in individual leagues but his abysmal record in proleague is a sign of lack of confidence in the tournament. the odds of him having his record is incredibly low considering his winrates.

one good example of form is Dream. before his first SSL semi finals no one would have expected him to challenge for a title. but he was in-form, and it carried into the second season of SSL. everyone in SSL actually called him out as a lucky player who wasn't very good. even though that was the expectation, he was in good form and blazed through the competition. it's the same way with Classic right now after falling off late last year until the middle of this year.
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Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
July 26 2015 11:54 GMT
#7
On July 26 2015 17:42 Greenei wrote:
Show nested quote +
Even though this tie always promises at least one or two games that could just as easily be the semifinals of a premier league, Bo1s often favor the team with momentum.


is this an actual thing? casters talk about "momentum" all the fucking time but i have never seen any rigorous analysis on whether it is actually true. are teams, who won a lot in the recent past more likely to win again? it needs to be so much more that it is not just the effect of the team being better (hence winning a lot in recent times) but an actual "momentum" effect. until there is such a thing nobody should use that word imo.


I know I'm not actually answering your point at all, but I suppose I just had a comment. Do you have to be so balls out aggressive about your opinion? You come across as really angry that someone would use "momentum" as a term, and it just seems kinda over the top.

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I love that we have write-ups like this, they're a lot of fun to read in the morning. I suppose this is what normal folks enjoy when they read baseball stuff in the newspaper. :D

Looking forward to SKT vs. Jin Air the most, I think. Cheering for both Rogue and soO, strangely enough. Feel like I can't go against Rogue ever since he used "Overtaken" as his song.
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
July 26 2015 12:01 GMT
#8
I don't think the JAGW vs SKT will be a bop; Jin Air must send a message out to the other teams that they aren't a walkover (and re-invigorate themselves in the process), and they need a morale booster after their failings in numerous individual leagues and their gradual fall from grace in Proleague.

At the very least, they need to make SKT work for it.
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grogburg
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
United States329 Posts
July 26 2015 16:23 GMT
#9
This will be an interesting week. Thanks for the write-up!
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-26 18:48:23
July 26 2015 18:45 GMT
#10
On July 26 2015 18:01 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 17:42 Greenei wrote:
Even though this tie always promises at least one or two games that could just as easily be the semifinals of a premier league, Bo1s often favor the team with momentum.


is this an actual thing? casters talk about "momentum" all the fucking time but i have never seen any rigorous analysis on whether it is actually true. are teams, who won a lot in the recent past more likely to win again? it needs to be so much more that it is not just the effect of the team being better (hence winning a lot in recent times) but an actual "momentum" effect. until there is such a thing nobody should use that word imo.


there are two components to it, form and confidence.

winning builds confidence, and confidence is important in competition. anyone who has played sports competitively can attest to that. lack of confidence breeds doubt and worry while self belief can keep you focused and determined. look at Solar. he's doing okay in individual leagues but his abysmal record in proleague is a sign of lack of confidence in the tournament. the odds of him having his record is incredibly low considering his winrates.

one good example of form is Dream. before his first SSL semi finals no one would have expected him to challenge for a title. but he was in-form, and it carried into the second season of SSL. everyone in SSL actually called him out as a lucky player who wasn't very good. even though that was the expectation, he was in good form and blazed through the competition. it's the same way with Classic right now after falling off late last year until the middle of this year.
yes the theory sounds fine but then the problem is in most sports they've heavily disproved most of the narratives about momentum and clutch performance with actual statistics

like sure confidence and mindset matter, and maybe moreso in a mental game like sc2, but the concept that momentum exists and might affect something sometimes doesn't really account for every time it's thrown around by casters lazily looking for a narrative to pigeonhole a series into. it's not that i think it's a "fake" thing but it's so easy to just attribute things to mindset and momentum without ever having to prove anything. even if you're wrong you just flip the narrative and now it's "oh, player B really gathered his confidence and turned it around!" when maybe what actually happened is he just played poorly on one game and well in the next

it's not some huge deal, i understand it's part of how people enjoy and experience the game, but yeah it can get annoying when people act like it's obvious indisputable fact that everything is just emotions and confidence all the fucking time

e: and this isn't directed at you but at a broad theme across all kinds of sports, not even just sc2 or esports. i actually didn't realize who i was writing to when i started replying
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Bastinian
Profile Joined October 2014
Serbia177 Posts
July 26 2015 19:44 GMT
#11
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Swoopae
Profile Joined January 2015
Australia339 Posts
July 27 2015 08:42 GMT
#12
I think Sbenu could get the upset today against CJ. They probably go down 2-3 on average, but hoping they can pull it off. They could definitely win 3-1, I actually think it's kinda more likely than them winning an ace match, I think it'll be 2-2 a lot though going to ace.

Matches have fallen reasonably well for Jinair so they're live against SKT although still underdogs. They need a good performance though even if they can't get the win, but it's doable.

Samsung will win 3-0 because lolprime, I suppose it could be 3-1 but it will probably be 3-0. I wonder what odds I could get on Prime going 0-21 this round, because it doesn't seem that unlikely at this point

KT should get the job done against MVP; if Gumiho can beat TY they could get to the ace match if Flash has an off day against Departure, but I expect it to be an average of 3-1 win for KT

grogburg
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
United States329 Posts
July 27 2015 17:09 GMT
#13
Now I really hope Jin Air and Prime win, partly because of FPL

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but mostly because every team at 1-1 would be funny.
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Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
July 28 2015 20:50 GMT
#14
On July 26 2015 18:01 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 17:42 Greenei wrote:
Even though this tie always promises at least one or two games that could just as easily be the semifinals of a premier league, Bo1s often favor the team with momentum.


is this an actual thing? casters talk about "momentum" all the fucking time but i have never seen any rigorous analysis on whether it is actually true. are teams, who won a lot in the recent past more likely to win again? it needs to be so much more that it is not just the effect of the team being better (hence winning a lot in recent times) but an actual "momentum" effect. until there is such a thing nobody should use that word imo.


there are two components to it, form and confidence.

winning builds confidence, and confidence is important in competition. anyone who has played sports competitively can attest to that. lack of confidence breeds doubt and worry while self belief can keep you focused and determined. look at Solar. he's doing okay in individual leagues but his abysmal record in proleague is a sign of lack of confidence in the tournament. the odds of him having his record is incredibly low considering his winrates.

one good example of form is Dream. before his first SSL semi finals no one would have expected him to challenge for a title. but he was in-form, and it carried into the second season of SSL. everyone in SSL actually called him out as a lucky player who wasn't very good. even though that was the expectation, he was in good form and blazed through the competition. it's the same way with Classic right now after falling off late last year until the middle of this year.


i know the theory but the question is, whether it is actually true in reality. it's just not that unlikely that SOME player is very strong for some time and then bad again or SOME other player is good in one league and bad in another. maybe it is just all chance. that's why i was asking for a rigorous examination.
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