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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On July 26 2015 01:44 Lockdown- wrote: No way lilbow makes it to the finals. I'm rooting for him, but don't see that happening. Depends on the bracket draw. If we get soO-INno on one half, Lilbow should be favoured against anyone he meets (if he makes it out of groups) Hmm, this feels like a really weak line-up for IEM. There's only 2-3 "unstoppable" Koreans, free WCS points for foreigners | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On July 26 2015 02:40 Inflicted wrote: Should be soO-INno somewhere in Top 4, cant see them dropping sets to anyone there. Depends on the bracket draw. If we get soO-INno on one half, Lilbow should be favoured against anyone he meets (if he makes it out of groups) Hmm, this feels like a really weak line-up for IEM. There's only 2-3 "unstoppable" Koreans, free WCS points for foreigners Its the same weekend as a different tournament that was supposed to give WCS points and then changed formats and isn't. So Bunny/Snute/JD are all tied up elsewhere. I still maintain that that's ridiculously unfair as they likely made the choice to go to one or the other based on both having WCS points but such is life. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On July 26 2015 02:39 The_Red_Viper wrote: People still hype lilbow? He won't make it out of that group guys... What's wrong with hyping skill? Oo | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
I think he is completely overhyped tbh. People act like he is the third best player at this gamescom, i very much doubt that though | ||
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Blargh
United States2104 Posts
On July 26 2015 02:57 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think he is completely overhyped tbh. People act like he is the third best player at this gamescom, i very much doubt that though I think he's a good foreigner right now, but he's probably only at the level of a code A Korean, or possibly worse. I don't really see him getting out of group stage, but it's definitely possible. Sort of a shame that the tournament doesn't have a stronger lineup. Inno, soO, and Rain are the obvious top 3, and MMA, Fantasy, and Patience the only other contenders. | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
Then again isn't almost every tournament ^.^ | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On July 26 2015 02:57 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think he is completely overhyped tbh. People act like he is the third best player at this gamescom, i very much doubt that though The big issue for Lilbow is obviously getting out of a group with INno and Fantasy. Beyond that though, only INno and soO are clearly favoured (and Patience from the open bracket would probably beat him aswell). Which is mostly because Rain's PvP has been pretty atrocious (including a loss to Lilbow and almost being eliminated by HuK in Homestory Cup). MMA and ForGG haven't been doing so hot (although especially with MMA there's always a chance he performs I guess). And Stardust, well... | ||
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Alucen-Will-
United States4054 Posts
On July 26 2015 03:22 Elentos wrote: The big issue for Lilbow is obviously getting out of a group with INno and Fantasy. Beyond that though, only INno and soO are clearly favoured (and Patience from the open bracket would probably beat him aswell). Which is mostly because Rain's PvP has been pretty atrocious (including a loss to Lilbow and almost being eliminated by HuK in Homestory Cup). MMA and ForGG haven't been doing so hot (although especially with MMA there's always a chance he performs I guess). And Stardust, well... https://twitter.com/StardustSC2/status/623993684632162304 Call me a bit skeptical, but do people realistically believe that Lilbow has any chance against soO/Inno/Rain, etc? | ||
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rotta
5655 Posts
On July 26 2015 04:35 Alucen-Will- wrote: Call me a bit skeptical, but do people realistically believe that Lilbow has any chance against soO/Inno/Rain, etc? I bet the French do. | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On July 26 2015 04:35 Alucen-Will- wrote: Call me a bit skeptical, but do people realistically believe that Lilbow has any chance against soO/Inno/Rain, etc? INno and soO pretty obviously not, they're rapidly approaching god tier, but Rain? He beat Rain at Homestory Cup as I mentioned. Rain's PvP is his biggest and most glaring weakness. Even in his GSL winning run he lost to the only Protoss he played against. Plus in PvP weird shit happens. And etc.? MMA who played a god awful TvP series in Code A and hasn't been performing in foreign tournaments he attended (his shocking and embarassing exit at Dreamhack Tours comes to mind)? Patience? It's PvP and Patience isn't exactly top tier, it's not impossible. ForGG and StarDust have thoroughly embarassed themselves against Protoss players who aren't of Lilbow's caliber recently. I guess Fantasy? But then, he needs just 1 bo3 win against Fantasy to advance (if he loses the first match, wins the losers match and INno defeats Fanta) and that's definitely doable. And he could obviously beat every foreign player. | ||
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Aeromi
France14463 Posts
On July 26 2015 04:35 Alucen-Will- wrote: Call me a bit skeptical, but do people realistically believe that Lilbow has any chance against soO/Inno/Rain, etc? Lilbow 2 - 0 Rain He would lose against soO and INno though. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
30 days ban? | ||
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On July 26 2015 05:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok anyone wanna bet with me, i say Lilbow won't even make it out of the group. 30 days ban? You should wait for this until after the open bracket. The odds are pretty drastically different depending on the 4th player. Could be Patience. Could be Goody. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On July 26 2015 05:14 Elentos wrote: You should wait for this until after the open bracket. The odds are pretty drastically different depending on the 4th player. Well i am pretty confident in my bet, the guy betting against me should probably wait though, i agree. This bet only counts if the groups stay the same btw (just in case Innovation and fantasy decide to stay in korea :D) | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On July 26 2015 02:57 The_Red_Viper wrote: I think he is completely overhyped tbh. People act like he is the third best player at this gamescom, i very much doubt that though Since the first of April, Lilbow has a ~72% WR. On the same period, Bunny has ~57% and Snute ~60%. Since I know your love for offline events, if we take the WR on the same period but only offline, Lilbow goes up to ~73% while Bunny goes down to ~53% and Snute to 46%. As far as Koreans are concerned, Lilbow showed that he could go toe to toe with strong koreigners like JaeDong and Hydra, and he was also able to PvP GSL and HSC champion Rain out of his way. He also did beat FanTa in a Bo1 online, although that doesn't mean much if anything at all. So yeah, I don't know if Lilbow is the third best player all-around (I'd personally rank him fourth or fifth depending on which FanTaSy shows up), but in a head-to-head, he can beat anyone here except soO and INnoVation. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On July 26 2015 05:14 Elentos wrote: You should wait for this until after the open bracket. The odds are pretty drastically different depending on the 4th player. Could be Patience. Could be Goody. Honestly, Patience is the only real threat in the open bracket. If I knew he is not goint to be in the group, I would easily bet against Viper. | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
On July 26 2015 05:07 The_Red_Viper wrote: Ok anyone wanna bet with me, i say Lilbow won't even make it out of the group. 30 days ban? Sure, but a fair deal would be 7 day ban for me, and 30 day ban for you. Thoughts? | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On July 26 2015 06:04 Deathstar wrote: Sure, but a fair deal would be 7 day ban for me, and 30 day ban for you. Thoughts? I am proud to have invented the differential ban/sig bet | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On July 26 2015 06:04 Deathstar wrote: Sure, but a fair deal would be 7 day ban for me, and 30 day ban for you. Thoughts? Haha i see, let me think. If you are banned you cannot do anything on TL i guess? That means the duel in the "Zest is best" fpl group would be kinda over, hmhmhm I will think about it and let you know, in general i am ok with 7/30 though. We still have a few days to make it happen  On July 26 2015 06:06 OtherWorld wrote: I am proud to have invented the differential ban I doubt this wasn't a thing before  | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
On July 26 2015 06:20 The_Red_Viper wrote: Haha i see, let me think. If you are banned you cannot do anything on TL i guess? That means the duel in the "Zest is best" fpl group would be kinda over, hmhmhm I will think about it and let you know, in general i am ok with 7/30 though. We still have a few days to make it happen I doubt this wasn't a thing before I may change my mind after the 4th person is revealed and I am in a moment of french euphoria. How about this, instead of ban we take it to 7 day/30 day sigbet, which won't interfere with your zest fpl group. | ||
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