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oh boy stuchiu. you made some nerds real mad.
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On April 19 2015 04:35 Dreamer.T wrote:
Why are people surprised Polt is ahead of MMA? More wins overall, is ahead in their lifetime record, and let's not forget his GSL super tournament win vs MMA, curbstomping him 4-0. And this was when MMA was beginning to take the form that could defeat MVP.
heat-to-head is minor at best. MMA's biggest blemish is his huge streak of irrelevancy after he left Slayers. Yet, even still, MMA's foreign wins should hold more weight and he totally kicks Polt's ass in Korean league results. Especially having just come off a recent ro4 run in code S. In terms of longevity, Polt's been notable for slightly longer but not by much. They're both dinosaurs.
I don't think Polt is on here (he should be though!). Looking at how this is being ranked, I think PartinG has cracked the top 5 (arguably the most consistent Protoss player of all-time).
On April 19 2015 04:38 Undead1993 wrote:
oh boy stuchiu. you made some nerds real mad.
I'm rocking violently back and forth and foaming out the mouth as I type!
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On April 19 2015 04:39 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 04:35 Dreamer.T wrote:
Why are people surprised Polt is ahead of MMA? More wins overall, is ahead in their lifetime record, and let's not forget his GSL super tournament win vs MMA, curbstomping him 4-0. And this was when MMA was beginning to take the form that could defeat MVP. heat-to-head is minor at best. MMA's biggest blemish is his huge streak of irrelevancy after he left Slayers. Yet, even still, MMA's foreign wins should hold more weight and he totally kicks Polt's ass in Korean league results. Especially having just come off a recent ro4 run in code S. In terms of longevity, Polt's been notable for slightly longer but not by much. They're both dinosaurs. I don't think Polt is on here (he should be though!). Looking at how this is being ranked, I think PartinG has cracked the top 5 (arguably the most consistent Protoss player of all-time). Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 04:38 Undead1993 wrote:
oh boy stuchiu. you made some nerds real mad. I'm rocking violently back and forth and foaming out the mouth as I type!
hahaha i can imagine
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5. Polt
4. Taeja
3. MC
2. Life
1. MVP
Although maybe MC and Taeja can be switched. Nice list so far. Way to go TL writers ^^
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On April 19 2015 04:38 Undead1993 wrote:
oh boy stuchiu. you made some nerds real mad.
Hah, aside from a few rankings, a lot of these choices must've been mind boggling hard to make. I'm sure he struggled dearly with not letting his inner fanboy take over and tried to be as objective as possible. in the end, there will be masses of pissed off fanboys even if one rank is off (I know I might potentially succumb to this). He's doing what most sane men would never dare do!
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On April 19 2015 04:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
alright but why do people still think herO is there hahaha
herO earns a top10 place more than Rain imo.
He's been consistently one of the best players. And the only one to win 3 IEMs
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On April 19 2015 04:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 04:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
alright but why do people still think herO is there hahaha herO earns a top10 place more than Rain imo. He's been consistently one of the best players. And the only one to win 3 IEMs
I'd put sOs over Rain even. Comparable in terms of Protoss innovation, but his 3 wins are far more impressive. Rain has the edge in consistency for sure though.
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On April 19 2015 04:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 04:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
alright but why do people still think herO is there hahaha herO earns a top10 place more than Rain imo. He's been consistently one of the best players. And the only one to win 3 IEMs
consistently? he is only notable for his 3 IEM wins. He's done nothing big in individual leagues apart from one semi final run.
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On April 19 2015 04:48 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 04:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On April 19 2015 04:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
alright but why do people still think herO is there hahaha herO earns a top10 place more than Rain imo. He's been consistently one of the best players. And the only one to win 3 IEMs I'd put sOs over Rain even. Comparable in terms of Protoss innovation, but his 3 wins are far more impressive. Rain has the edge in consistency for sure though.
I think It's an interesting question to ask, is it more impressive to have Rain's consistency or the huge wins that sOs does?
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On April 19 2015 02:16 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:14 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:On April 19 2015 02:09 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 02:06 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:On April 19 2015 01:59 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Scarlett 2-0 Maru Bomber 3-2 Scarlett Maru OSL 2013 Winner , NSSL 2015 Season 1 Winner Bomber. Code A winner once ? WCS Global Finals winner. 2 time red bull champ. MLG champ. Number one seed in 2014. WCS America champ. I know I know I'm gonna get yelled at about how Bomber never won a GSL I'm not saying Bomber > Maru I just think it's dumb to say bomber's only accomplishment is one Code A win Its also incredibly dumb to state the sets of one tournament and arrive at conclusions between players. Pretty sure Maru's run through OSL and NSSL were harder than Bombers run through WCS Global Finals and WCS NA. Bomber was playing in Korea at the time not WCS NA. He got 3rd/4th in OSL. Let's be real he would've won that 3rd/4th match so I'm gonna call it 3rd
That 3rd/4th match would have been against Innovation. I know Bomber beat him in a Bo3, but a Bo7 is hard to just give away like that. Especially given Innovations stature in sc2 at the time.
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On April 19 2015 02:17 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 02:03 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Go back a page and see that your quote says nothing about 2013  . I said arguably for 2013 for a reason. Inno and Maru would be that reason. Let's also mention that two of Inno's top four finishes were at much weaker events, particularly Northcon which should have been at least a free 2nd only if Jaedong beat him Again, I bolded it, check your eyesight. I don't think 2013 is arguable at all, INno / Maru's results are flat out better than Bomber's. Let's look at the relevant players that Bomber beat in his big performances in 2014 then: Violet + polt (slumping) at RB Atlanta Heart in WCS Season 2 Pigbaby and Heart and Polt again in WCS Season 3 Super and Revival at IEM San Jose His RB Global win is the only really impressive one of the lot. Hell, I'd take Polt's IEM Cologne runner up as more impressive than most of that combined Dog you can't just say you're going to list his opponents and then not list the people he beat at RB Global lmao
He said that the RBBG Global win was impressive 
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Gee, a top 5 of MVP Taeja Bomber Polt Life SUCH TERRAN BIAS THERE MATEY.
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On April 19 2015 02:20 stuchiu wrote:I found the one guy who read the article!
Hey I read all the articles 
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On April 19 2015 04:55 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:20 stuchiu wrote:On April 19 2015 01:48 Die4Ever wrote:
dat NesTea section, tears were shed I found the one guy who read the article! Hey I read all the articles
I read it too, but the rage over Rain's placing overrode NesTea's segment :p
GSL really needs to upload that Nestea vs Choya game. That hold was awesome.
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Top 5
5. Squirtle
4. Bomber
3. MC
2. Life
1. Mvp
Nailed it
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On April 19 2015 04:48 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 04:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On April 19 2015 04:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
alright but why do people still think herO is there hahaha herO earns a top10 place more than Rain imo. He's been consistently one of the best players. And the only one to win 3 IEMs consistently? he is only notable for his 3 IEM wins. He's done nothing big in individual leagues apart from one semi final run.
He also a very strong proleague player. #2 in 2014, #1 in 2015 up till now
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Bomber or Parting not even making the top 16 makes this list difficult to discuss or even properly understand the criteria, especially with players like Taeja and Polt making the top 5 (and if either is excluded from the list entirely that would be even more ridiculous).
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On April 19 2015 04:50 Hadronsbecrazy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2015 02:17 Darkhorse wrote:On April 19 2015 02:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 02:03 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:58 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:57 Yorkie wrote:On April 19 2015 01:52 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2015 01:45 Yorkie wrote:
How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won? How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance? How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013? How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? Actually know results before you say something like that How did Bomber do in that OSL that maru won?3/4 vs winner. So worse. How did he do at the WCS global finals right after where Maru and Innovation were in attendance?Wasn't present at WCS Season 3 finals. Maru 3/4th. So worse. How much farther in the tournament did Innovation and Maru get at Blizzcon 2013?Both Bomber and Maru 3/4th How many more events did Maru and Innovation win than him in 2014? If you actually read my quote, I was talking about 2013, so while we're there: All 3 had 1 win each INno 2 silvers INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 This is before I get to all the events you ignored due to your bias I feel I should bring up this quote again Actually know results before you say something like that WCS season 2 where Bomber won and Innovation and Maru went out of groups was the one right after OSL bud nice try. He did worse than Maru in OSL but the same (or better since he didn't get fucking 4-0d by Maru constantly one basing) as Innovation which was my point. Bomber and Maru both made ro4 at Blizzcon but Innvation got trunched int he ro16 by Duckdeok and Bomber put up a fight vs the eventual champ but Maru lost to Jaedong LOL. You also never specified 2013 in your original quote. Stop cherry picking results to suit your argument. I bolded it, but go on. Cherry pick this then All 3 had 1 win each
INno 2 silvers
INno 4 top 4, Maru 4 top 4, Bomber 2 top 4 Nothing bomber did was anything as impressive as INno's GSL silver, or Maru's streak in the second half of the year Go back a page and see that your quote says nothing about 2013 . I said arguably for 2013 for a reason. Inno and Maru would be that reason. Let's also mention that two of Inno's top four finishes were at much weaker events, particularly Northcon which should have been at least a free 2nd only if Jaedong beat him Again, I bolded it, check your eyesight. I don't think 2013 is arguable at all, INno / Maru's results are flat out better than Bomber's. Let's look at the relevant players that Bomber beat in his big performances in 2014 then: Violet + polt (slumping) at RB Atlanta Heart in WCS Season 2 Pigbaby and Heart and Polt again in WCS Season 3 Super and Revival at IEM San Jose His RB Global win is the only really impressive one of the lot. Hell, I'd take Polt's IEM Cologne runner up as more impressive than most of that combined Dog you can't just say you're going to list his opponents and then not list the people he beat at RB Global lmao He said that the RBBG Global win was impressive
Yeah but he listed the names of players he felt suited his point and barely touched on what didn't
To respond to your other point (I'm on my phone and lazy/bad at quoting) not only had Bomber dominated his all TvT Ro16 group and beaten Inno 2-0, but Inno had just gotten thrashed by Maru in a Bo7 TvT. Nothing is a sure thing but that series would've been like 80-20 Bomber favored or even more at that time
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Also nobody bats an eyelid when I talk about aLive anymore :/
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Interesting what 5 players are over MMA? MC, Life, TaeJa, Mvp - sure. Polt? Parting? Neither should be there imho. So confusing.
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