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On April 12 2015 06:29 Psychonian wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 03:36 Zealously wrote: CAN YOU GUESS THE PLAYERS THAT WILL BE IN PART 2?
I'll buy you 3 months of TL+ if you guess right, 6 if you get the order right TaeJa, MMA, NesTea, Stephano, Zest. in that order edit: fuckit, I'm gonna go ahead and give my top 5. InNoVation, PartinG, MC, Life, Mvp i would be surprised if stephano make it
i think we are going to have a full list of korean tbh
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Just realized Bomber isn't gonna make the top 15. Starting to heavily disagree with a few people who made it in. For example ST vs Prime bias aside I passionately believe that Bomber's sc2 career has been much more impressive than Marineking's
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On April 12 2015 06:13 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: Making 4 GSL finals in a row is an amazing thing u wot m8
Read my post dude. He was an amazing player for a year and did nothing before then and very little after (except that most players who are amazing for a year win at least ONE tournament during that time). When we're talking best players of all time like Mvp, Life, Polt, TaeJa, PartinG, INnoVation, Maru, etc, they've been top players for year after year.
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I feel like this is going to be really biased
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On April 12 2015 07:16 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I feel like this is going to be really biased Of course there will be some. This isn't THE definitive top 15 list, it's Stuchiu's top 15. Obviously it is well researched and his criteria for ranking is quite good but at the end of the day there will always be bias and that's not such a bad thing. I think upon reading his reasoning many people will either change their minds about certain players or at least be forced to make an equally as informed and supported counter argument.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
why am I not on this list?
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On April 12 2015 07:15 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 06:13 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 12 2015 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: Making 4 GSL finals in a row is an amazing thing On April 12 2015 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: he's not shown the consistency u wot m8 Read my post dude. He was an amazing player for a year and did nothing before then and very little after. When we're talking best players of all time like Mvp, Life, Polt, TaeJa, PartinG, INnoVation, Maru, etc, they've been top players for year after year. And still soO achieved in one year what others will not in a lifetime, against ridiculous competition aswell. If he'd won all of these finals you wouldn't even begin to question him. Not to mention soO still has room to achieve more, unlike basically retired players like TaeJa and Mvp. There's definitely merit to putting him into the list.
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France12756 Posts
Haha the memories watching #11.
10 : MMA 9 : Rain 8 : NesTea 7 : Polt 6 : Stephano
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^^ you are not serious...right?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 12 2015 07:19 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 07:16 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I feel like this is going to be really biased Of course there will be some. This isn't THE definitive top 15 list, it's Stuchiu's top 15. Obviously it is well researched and his criteria for ranking is quite good but at the end of the day there will always be bias and that's not such a bad thing. I think upon reading his reasoning many people will either change their minds about certain players or at least be forced to make an equally as informed and supported counter argument.
Here's an interesting tidbit. I wrote an initial list with an eye test. But it changed drastically based on the research. I chased the data and the data formed my opinions, I didn't have an opinion and then forced the data to mold to my preconceived answers.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On April 12 2015 07:16 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I feel like this is going to be really biased
You can easily follow stu's reasoning and question him right in this thread If you disagree - he will see it. What makes you feel it'll be unusually biased?
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On April 12 2015 07:29 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 07:19 Yorkie wrote:On April 12 2015 07:16 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I feel like this is going to be really biased Of course there will be some. This isn't THE definitive top 15 list, it's Stuchiu's top 15. Obviously it is well researched and his criteria for ranking is quite good but at the end of the day there will always be bias and that's not such a bad thing. I think upon reading his reasoning many people will either change their minds about certain players or at least be forced to make an equally as informed and supported counter argument. Here's an interesting tidbit. I wrote an initial list with an eye test. But it changed drastically based on the research.
Will you show us your initial list after the final part?
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On April 12 2015 07:29 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 07:19 Yorkie wrote:On April 12 2015 07:16 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I feel like this is going to be really biased Of course there will be some. This isn't THE definitive top 15 list, it's Stuchiu's top 15. Obviously it is well researched and his criteria for ranking is quite good but at the end of the day there will always be bias and that's not such a bad thing. I think upon reading his reasoning many people will either change their minds about certain players or at least be forced to make an equally as informed and supported counter argument. Here's an interesting tidbit. I wrote an initial list with an eye test. But it changed drastically based on the research. Exact same thing happened to me. My top 20 changed dramatically after putting the time in and researching.
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Maybe a liquid'hero is supposed to fit in here?
10. MMA 9. Innovation 8. Polt 7. Rain 6. Parting 5. MC 4. Squirtle 3. Life 2. Nestea 1. Mvp
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United States23455 Posts
People are overrating the hell out of Stephano
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On April 12 2015 07:22 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 07:15 Yakikorosu wrote:On April 12 2015 06:13 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 12 2015 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: Making 4 GSL finals in a row is an amazing thing On April 12 2015 06:08 Yakikorosu wrote: he's not shown the consistency u wot m8 Read my post dude. He was an amazing player for a year and did nothing before then and very little after. When we're talking best players of all time like Mvp, Life, Polt, TaeJa, PartinG, INnoVation, Maru, etc, they've been top players for year after year. And still soO achieved in one year what others will not in a lifetime, against ridiculous competition aswell. If he'd won all of these finals you wouldn't even begin to question him. Not to mention soO still has room to achieve more, unlike basically retired players like TaeJa and Mvp. There's definitely merit to putting him into the list.
But... he DIDN'T win. ANY of them. That's my whole point.
I'll stop posting about soO now but I just don't see how he's top 15 at all. I would put not only Leenock and DRG but a player like Soulkey, who apparently won't make the list at all, ahead of soO.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On April 12 2015 07:30 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 07:29 stuchiu wrote:On April 12 2015 07:19 Yorkie wrote:On April 12 2015 07:16 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I feel like this is going to be really biased Of course there will be some. This isn't THE definitive top 15 list, it's Stuchiu's top 15. Obviously it is well researched and his criteria for ranking is quite good but at the end of the day there will always be bias and that's not such a bad thing. I think upon reading his reasoning many people will either change their minds about certain players or at least be forced to make an equally as informed and supported counter argument. Here's an interesting tidbit. I wrote an initial list with an eye test. But it changed drastically based on the research. Will you show us your initial list after the final part? ![](/mirror/smilies/smile.gif)
yea
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On April 12 2015 03:36 Zealously wrote: CAN YOU GUESS THE PLAYERS THAT WILL BE IN PART 2?
I'll buy you 3 months of TL+ if you guess right, 6 if you get the order right 1. Mvp 2. Life 3. TaeJa 4. INnoVation 5. Zest 6. MC 7. Polt 8. MMA 9. Stephano 10. Nestea
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On April 12 2015 07:31 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 07:30 sharkie wrote:On April 12 2015 07:29 stuchiu wrote:On April 12 2015 07:19 Yorkie wrote:On April 12 2015 07:16 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I feel like this is going to be really biased Of course there will be some. This isn't THE definitive top 15 list, it's Stuchiu's top 15. Obviously it is well researched and his criteria for ranking is quite good but at the end of the day there will always be bias and that's not such a bad thing. I think upon reading his reasoning many people will either change their minds about certain players or at least be forced to make an equally as informed and supported counter argument. Here's an interesting tidbit. I wrote an initial list with an eye test. But it changed drastically based on the research. Will you show us your initial list after the final part? ![](/mirror/smilies/smile.gif) yea so much hype, also sick DRG pun
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On April 12 2015 07:32 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2015 03:36 Zealously wrote: CAN YOU GUESS THE PLAYERS THAT WILL BE IN PART 2?
I'll buy you 3 months of TL+ if you guess right, 6 if you get the order right 1. Mvp 2. Life 3. TaeJa 4. INnoVation 5. MC 6. Polt 7. MMA 8. Stephano 9. Nestea Didn't read the article, RIP your dreams of getting Zealously's TL+ money.
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