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On January 13 2015 13:00 ivery_smiles wrote:Protech is currently doing damage control on his stream, claiming that all the proof that exists is "fake." A couple of the facts: There are and have been screenshots going back a long time and there will be no false accusations made without proof so here is proof provided: http://iverysmilesdental.imgur.com/It's pretty easy to analyze images for manipulation, there will be none in these images. Fun fact: The words "Wisdom" and "teeth" result in an auto ban from his stream. Here is what one of his previous sponsors thought about his behavior and the "fake" evidence. Actual direct quote of a reply from one of his sponsors: Show nested quote +Hello,
Thank you for contacting us with this information regarding this sponsored gamer. Because of your information, we began an in-depth investigation into Protech's public behavior. We found your claims and proof to be truthful and we have made the decision to drop our sponsorship and support of Protech. While we do investigate and research our sponsored gamers before making them an official offer, unfortunately some information can be accidentally neglected and overlooked. We wish to extend a sincere thank you for bringing this to our attention, as NoScope never wishes to be associated with any speech or behavior of a discriminatory nature and strives to build an inclusive community of gamers. If you have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us again and we will be happy to help.
Best Regards,
Michael Agosta
Operations Manager
NoScope
If you go to his stream now he will be compensating for this and will be in damage control mode. Don't buy it.
Even if his language isn't appropriate starting drama for it is pointless and will only result in a giant shitstorm and will not be allowed in this thread.
On January 13 2015 13:32 ivery_smiles wrote:
The fact of the matter is that Protech raised over $1600 dollars from viewer donations, making it very clear to his viewers that this was money urgently needed to get a necessary operation done on his wisdom teeth. He even called it the "Cure Protech fund" and had banners about it blasted all over his stream.
Once he reached his donation goal, he set a supposed date to get the operation. When that date came, no word about the teeth. Then he's got a new date. Then that date comes, he gets a new date. Keeps stalling, never gets the actual procedure. Anybody tries to ask about it, he immediately bans them. He starts making excuses about how he had to cancel and reschedule his appointments because the doctor was "sick". Then he says he "overslept." Literally 4-5 times he was supposedly just about to go get the procedure, but some freak accident always happens and stalls it again, if you take his word for it. At some point, some of us viewers just started realizing that he hadn't gotten the procedure and maybe never would.
One time when he was challenged about this, he held up a "receipt" to the stream web cam to try to prove that he had actually already gotten the procedure. This receipt was simply an estimate given to him by the dentist, an estimate of what the operation would cost if he were to get it. It was not a receipt and in no way did it show that he had gotten the operation. Protech insisted that this document proved that he had gotten the procedure and proceeded to completely silence all discussion of the topic in his stream. Protech also later showed a PayPal receipt for $400 to a dentist, but (a) this was not for wisdom teeth removal, it was for some unrelated fillings, and (b) it was dated before the "Cure Protech Drive" even started, so it has nothing to do with this situation.
At this point it's been several months since the whole incident, and Protech presumably hopes that it will all blow over. But myself and many others who follow his stream, those of us who cheered for him and and supported him, were extremely upset about being misled. I don't have an axe to grind with the guy; I'm not a troll or a hater. I'd watched his channel for years before that incident. But not any more. I can't support him after doing something this selfish and dishonest.
I see no proof, don't start shit over nothing but accusations please.
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On January 13 2015 13:32 ivery_smiles wrote:
The fact of the matter is that Protech raised over $1600 dollars from viewer donations, making it very clear to his viewers that this was money urgently needed to get a necessary operation done on his wisdom teeth. He even called it the "Cure Protech fund" and had banners about it blasted all over his stream.
Once he reached his donation goal, he set a supposed date to get the operation. When that date came, no word about the teeth. Then he's got a new date. Then that date comes, he gets a new date. Keeps stalling, never gets the actual procedure. Anybody tries to ask about it, he immediately bans them. He starts making excuses about how he had to cancel and reschedule his appointments because the doctor was "sick". Then he says he "overslept." Literally 4-5 times he was supposedly just about to go get the procedure, but some freak accident always happens and stalls it again, if you take his word for it. At some point, some of us viewers just started realizing that he hadn't gotten the procedure and maybe never would.
One time when he was challenged about this, he held up a "receipt" to the stream web cam to try to prove that he had actually already gotten the procedure. This receipt was simply an estimate given to him by the dentist, an estimate of what the operation would cost if he were to get it. It was not a receipt and in no way did it show that he had gotten the operation. Protech insisted that this document proved that he had gotten the procedure and proceeded to completely silence all discussion of the topic in his stream. Protech also later showed a PayPal receipt for $400 to a dentist, but (a) this was not for wisdom teeth removal, it was for some unrelated fillings, and (b) it was dated before the "Cure Protech Drive" even started, so it has nothing to do with this situation.
At this point it's been several months since the whole incident, and Protech presumably hopes that it will all blow over. But myself and many others who follow his stream, those of us who cheered for him and and supported him, were extremely upset about being misled. I don't have an axe to grind with the guy; I'm not a troll or a hater. I'd watched his channel for years before that incident. But not any more. I can't support him after doing something this selfish and dishonest.
Again you have been proven without a shadow of a doubt 100% false live on my stream, with phone calls and documentation proving that your accusations are fake and all you are trying to do is give me a bad name, and every single person who watches my stream and supports me each and every month know this to be true. You are not going to do any further damage to me, as I've already proven to my fan base without a shadow of a doubt that you are wrong.
So keep trying kid, eventually it will come back to bite you in the ass.
As a streamer, we understand that this kind of thing happens, but you are now a case of harassment.
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On January 13 2015 12:53 Rickyvalle21 wrote:
Wow so much drama LOL. Gratz to Kaitlyn. She could very well be the best female sc2 player ina few years. I apppaud her.
Livibee is GM. AFAIK Kaitlyn has never made GM.
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Protech is a very large, filled to the brim, heavy, steaming sack of shit, and that is why he's not featured. He turned the 2v2 community in to a shit-fest, just as he's done this thread, thanks in large part to his baseless hacking accusations and other ignorant obscenities he spouts on stream.
Glad to see people still watch SC2 though... just kind of sad it's the same old faces.
User was warned for this post
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On January 13 2015 15:12 2v2levels wrote:
Protech is a very large, filled to the brim, heavy, steaming sack of shit, and that is why he's not featured. He turned the 2v2 community in to a shit-fest, just as he's done this thread, thanks in large part to his baseless hacking accusations and other ignorant obscenities he spouts on stream.
Glad to see people still watch SC2 though... just kind of sad it's the same old faces.
Too bad this is the case with many other featured streams. And for the record, I did not have ANYTHING to do with how this thread has turned out, and if you use your eyeballs and actually read the forum you wouldn't have posted what you posted.
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You know what they say: if it smells like shit everywhere you go, might wanna check your shoes.
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Enough. Get on topic.
Also ProTech as much as you want to defend yourself please don't, let TL mods handle any bashing.
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edit: sorry november, didn't read your post before posting... can it stay?
I searched around a bit on the protech matter.
At least half a year ago, he got kicked from TL for "Racist , Transphobic , Homophobic chat" (or so he claims), and said that he didn't want to be featured again. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/281401-featured-streamer-list?page=82#1636
Also, regarding the flaming with ivery_smiles: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/user-streams/202566-stream-protech?page=32#630
Something made this guy turn around bad!  At the end he claimed "Oh and to make matters worse, he just lost his No Scope sponsorship after less than one day. They cited "racist and discriminatory" behavior on his chat. Total BS, anyone who has seen his stream knows that he has never said or done anything like that! Just like he said, go look through ALL his vods, you won't find anything like that at all! Just more garbage perpetuated by people." Sooo, not really sure if the ivery_smiles is the same guy or not... Talking about the same things, but with diametrical opposite standpoint.
He also said that the first screenshot of "proof" (people like that word, don't they?) was out of context, whatever that means: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/user-streams/202566-stream-protech?page=32#632.
So well, I'm not really any wiser, apart from this protech business being a mess. But it seems like protech is pretty BM, throws politically incorrect swears around frequently, angry at TL for being defeatured and not wanting to come back. Or changed his mind on the last point, who knows? Also it seems like the iverysmiles ID is very closely linked to protech in one way or another...
But I guess this is not the place to have this discussion...
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On January 13 2015 16:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Enough. Get on topic.
Also ProTech as much as you want to defend yourself please don't, let TL mods handle any bashing.
Okie dokie
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Still can't believe Winter is legit. Or rather, and to put it more nicely, I can't understand why he would have some many views. His stream is pretty chill and all, but it's not like he's super skilled and/or super interesting to watch.
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A big reason that Winter and ProTech are so popular is because they play random. This makes games more interesting and leads to less balance whining. Also, this allows Winter to provide better commentary because he sees a matchup from both sides.
Ultimately a big part of streaming is personality. Destiny and Winter are not the best starcraft players out there, but they do have interesting personalities.
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i'd like to give a shoutout to livibee's hard work & relentless determination, with her dedication to streaming countless hours & moving up the ranks of SC2. After reaching GM last season, she is quickly becoming the best female SC2 player & we should expect big things from her in 2015. WCS Season 2 seems like a real possibility. Keep it up Bee!
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it's really -- let me censor myself -- not very smart to put Winter and Destiny in the same sentence if you're gonna volunteer to bring up the topic of skill...
as for this Protech situation, i was not aware of the details but im glad to find out more about it ofcourse... i have to say that even now i am not really convinced, only tooth-stuff is somewhat believable, rest of it literally screams hurt fanboys on crusade...
i suppose dealing with it will always be harder for smaller yet cult streamers, exactly like Protech is, because of how their stream works and how it allows more contact and this perception of deeper connection than you would get with a very popular streamer like iNcontroL. so when a streamer does something you dont approve, and you have mental issues, it can escalate quite a bit. cost of fame i guess. i would personally never go as far as to contact someones sponsor and purposefully try to destroy their income, but ive noticed that its becoming okay to comment on such actions and even invite others to do it... its shameful
in conclusion, i was hoping someone from NA could tell me what's the reason so many streamers can throw "faggot" and similar words around without consequences, while the so called "N word" destroys careers (Orb comes to mind)? is it a cultural thing? historic/white guilt? shouldnt it be that one makes you a racist and the other makes you a bigot? are those two things not frowned upon equally? what am i missing here? really wondering...
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On January 15 2015 05:37 snailz wrote:
it's really -- let me censor myself -- not very smart to put Winter and Destiny in the same sentence if you're gonna volunteer to bring up the topic of skill...
as for this Protech situation, i was not aware of the details but im glad to find out more about it ofcourse... i have to say that even now i am not really convinced, only tooth-stuff is somewhat believable, rest of it literally screams hurt fanboys on crusade...
i suppose dealing with it will always be harder for smaller yet cult streamers, exactly like Protech is, because of how their stream works and how it allows more contact and this perception of deeper connection than you would get with a very popular streamer like iNcontroL. so when a streamer does something you dont approve, and you have mental issues, it can escalate quite a bit. cost of fame i guess. i would personally never go as far as to contact someones sponsor and purposefully try to destroy their income, but ive noticed that its becoming okay to comment on such actions and even invite others to do it... its shameful
in conclusion, i was hoping someone from NA could tell me what's the reason so many streamers can throw "faggot" and similar words around without consequences, while the so called "N word" destroys careers (Orb comes to mind)? is it a cultural thing? historic/white guilt? shouldnt it be that one makes you a racist and the other makes you a bigot? are those two things not frowned upon equally? what am i missing here? really wondering...
it doesn't destroy careers. destiny throws that word out on the reg. what destroys careers is the streams that don't get a lot of viewers on their stream throwing those words around, because he doesn't have a huge fanbase to back him up. so regardless of whether the streamer is actually guilty as charged or not, there's next to nothing that person can do to defend himself because as a streamer with relatively low numbers you'll get swept under the rug. that's pretty common knowledge though, and why it's easy for streams like myself to just turn the stream on and not even worry about what's said about you outside of the stream.
as for consequences from what I understand of twitch's ToS , simply using the " N-Word " or " faggot " would never result in your channel getting ToS'd. That to me would not be giving hate speech, people with half a brain can tell the difference when someone is simply raging about the game, as opposed to actually being a racist bigot or homophobe.
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On January 12 2015 18:24 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 10:23 kaitlyn wrote:On January 11 2015 19:52 atrox_ wrote:On January 11 2015 17:45 TRaFFiC wrote:
Wow, sick stats. How do you stream for 4k hours and not get featured? xD because being featured is more than just hours streamed. I question daily why 'Kaityln' is featured... is there any specific reason why?  i'm a top 8 masters zerg who regularly beats GMs, and i was only just featured a few weeks ago (5 days before the end of 2014) after streaming for over 2 years. i streamed 1426 hours in 2014 which is probably somewhere near the top 5. looking at one of the lists here are the numbers that i see: protech - 3994 hours (previously a featured streamer) winter - 2196 hours forgg - 2025 hours (rebroadcasts) painuser - 1946 hours agile - 1441 hours (rebroadcasts) kaitlyn -1426 hours so it seems like i was in 6th overall (potentially 4th if you don't include rebroadcasting) and again i've been doing this for 2 years and was only very recently featured. i'm higher rank in 1s than more than half of the top 5 (protech, winter, painuser) and i have beaten both of those featured players in 1s on ladder. just not sure why you're singling me out, i think that i work pretty hard and i was very happy to be featured recently He is singling you out because you are a girl most likely.
Pulling the gender card. One step away from equality.
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