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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 26 2014 21:32 GMT
#81
On September 27 2014 04:13 Yozora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 21:21 Thax wrote:
On September 26 2014 16:47 Yozora wrote:
On September 26 2014 05:16 stuchiu wrote:
On September 26 2014 05:14 Yozora wrote:
On September 26 2014 04:36 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2014 00:01 Yozora wrote:
On September 25 2014 23:58 Thax wrote:
On September 25 2014 19:13 REyeM wrote:
Good luck getting to Ro8 of GSL ever again with that attidude DRG.


The attitude where he wants to have fun with what he's doing?


Yes, good luck with that.


Has worked wonders for him so far


Doesn't guarantee it stays that way.


Neither does going to Kespa.

On September 26 2014 05:23 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2014 05:14 Yozora wrote:
On September 26 2014 04:36 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2014 00:01 Yozora wrote:
On September 25 2014 23:58 Thax wrote:
On September 25 2014 19:13 REyeM wrote:
Good luck getting to Ro8 of GSL ever again with that attidude DRG.


The attitude where he wants to have fun with what he's doing?


Yes, good luck with that.


Has worked wonders for him so far


Doesn't guarantee it stays that way.


You know what definitely doesn't guarantee you maintaining your skill?

Burnout. See Soulkey.


Sure being in other team/teamless doesn't mean you can't get to ro8 but you definitely have better chance achieving it with Kespa.

if it's true that they are only forced to practice 8h +1h meal which is normal workday for most of us and Soulkey can't handle that?


Some people's lack of ability to grasp that there can be a difference between people, between situations and different people in different situations boggles my mind. Not everyone is like you, not every situation is the same, and not everyone thrives in the same situations. And everyone always tells me I'm the antisocial, cold one.



- difference between people, between situations and different people in different situations boggles my mind. Not everyone is like you, not every situation is the same, and not everyone thrives in the same situations. -

And then you wonder why they don't win. Life is tough alright?

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On September 26 2014 21:33 Clonester wrote:
DRG chooses the way it should be. Even when his skill lvl drops a bit, he will be able to stay in the scene for longer without losing the passion.


And then he won't win GSL ever, gg wp.

He's already won a GSL.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
September 26 2014 21:38 GMT
#82
On September 27 2014 04:13 Yozora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 21:21 Thax wrote:
On September 26 2014 16:47 Yozora wrote:
On September 26 2014 05:16 stuchiu wrote:
On September 26 2014 05:14 Yozora wrote:
On September 26 2014 04:36 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2014 00:01 Yozora wrote:
On September 25 2014 23:58 Thax wrote:
On September 25 2014 19:13 REyeM wrote:
Good luck getting to Ro8 of GSL ever again with that attidude DRG.


The attitude where he wants to have fun with what he's doing?


Yes, good luck with that.


Has worked wonders for him so far


Doesn't guarantee it stays that way.


Neither does going to Kespa.

On September 26 2014 05:23 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2014 05:14 Yozora wrote:
On September 26 2014 04:36 Zealously wrote:
On September 26 2014 00:01 Yozora wrote:
On September 25 2014 23:58 Thax wrote:
On September 25 2014 19:13 REyeM wrote:
Good luck getting to Ro8 of GSL ever again with that attidude DRG.


The attitude where he wants to have fun with what he's doing?


Yes, good luck with that.


Has worked wonders for him so far


Doesn't guarantee it stays that way.


You know what definitely doesn't guarantee you maintaining your skill?

Burnout. See Soulkey.


Sure being in other team/teamless doesn't mean you can't get to ro8 but you definitely have better chance achieving it with Kespa.

if it's true that they are only forced to practice 8h +1h meal which is normal workday for most of us and Soulkey can't handle that?


Some people's lack of ability to grasp that there can be a difference between people, between situations and different people in different situations boggles my mind. Not everyone is like you, not every situation is the same, and not everyone thrives in the same situations. And everyone always tells me I'm the antisocial, cold one.



- difference between people, between situations and different people in different situations boggles my mind. Not everyone is like you, not every situation is the same, and not everyone thrives in the same situations. -

And then you wonder why they don't win. Life is tough alright?

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 21:33 Clonester wrote:
DRG chooses the way it should be. Even when his skill lvl drops a bit, he will be able to stay in the scene for longer without losing the passion.


And then he won't win GSL ever, gg wp.


I'm not wondering why they don't win? Plenty of my favourite non-KeSPA players win stuff.

Lots of good players training under the KeSPA system never win a GSL. DRG is not one of them. He already has one.
custombuild
Profile Joined August 2014
31 Posts
September 26 2014 22:37 GMT
#83
On September 26 2014 21:33 Clonester wrote:
And it is not only 8 hours starcraft. While you eat, you watch replays or think about the game and talk about the game. You play the game after the official practice time, when a important match/tournament will occure. Its more like sleep, train, eat, repeat.
There is a common reason why pros in sports dont do their training 8 hours a day, why they dont train from 9 to 5 their sport. But in esport it is still common to train even 10 hours a day. You do that for so long, so many pros burn out so early.

DRG chooses the way it should be. Even when his skill lvl drops a bit, he will be able to stay in the scene for longer without losing the passion.



*occurred.

That is because E-sports is taken seriously as a job in korea by its culture. You do not have to win a GSL to be a pro-player. Any person can become a pro-player and earn some cash but the ones that want to win a championship have to push harder than everyone else.
ghos`t
Profile Joined August 2020
4 Posts
August 04 2020 22:13 GMT
#84
Nuked! I have detection first so don't.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
August 04 2020 23:05 GMT
#85
wat
ytherik
Profile Joined July 2020
199 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-04 23:40:35
August 04 2020 23:40 GMT
#86
On September 25 2014 19:13 REyeM wrote:
Good luck getting to Ro8 of GSL ever again with that attidude DRG.

And here we are, 6 years later, DRG in GSL Ro4 :D
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26785 Posts
August 05 2020 00:17 GMT
#87
What a necro. Feels strange scrolling back a page and seeing myself posting.

6 years later my feelings haven’t changed massively either. The Kespa system clearly works to a point, but it’s not a catch all, nor is it without flaws. We’ve seen guys like ByuN prosper more doing things their own way for example.

It’s difficult to assess from a Western eye though, besides a certain level of repetitious grinding seeing diminishing returns, which I think is vaguely universal.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-05 03:50:25
August 05 2020 03:49 GMT
#88
DRG <3

Dude I forgot DRG's english is pretty good
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-05 17:55:50
August 05 2020 17:55 GMT
#89
On August 05 2020 08:40 ytherik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 19:13 REyeM wrote:
Good luck getting to Ro8 of GSL ever again with that attidude DRG.

And here we are, 6 years later, DRG in GSL Ro4 :D


Because 6 years later, KeSPA teams have all but disbanded and many KeSPA legends have either gone to military, reverted to BW, or retired.

Now, I wonder what happened in the GSL Ro4...
gg no re thx
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
August 05 2020 17:59 GMT
#90
On August 06 2020 02:55 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2020 08:40 ytherik wrote:
On September 25 2014 19:13 REyeM wrote:
Good luck getting to Ro8 of GSL ever again with that attidude DRG.

And here we are, 6 years later, DRG in GSL Ro4 :D


Because 6 years later, KeSPA teams have all but disbanded and many KeSPA legends have either gone to military, reverted to BW, or retired.

Now, I wonder what happened in the GSL Ro4...

Haters gonna hate
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
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