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Code S - Flash and Solar last players to the Ro16 - Page 4

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DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-22 11:50:56
August 22 2014 11:50 GMT
#61
That balance *cough* thanks Blizz!

Almost any one of those players would be a worthy champion. I want Maru though as he held the banner up for all Terrans in the dark ages.
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
August 22 2014 11:54 GMT
#62
Wow first GSL Ro16 I am interested in in a very long while, will watch!
odem
Profile Joined August 2011
143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-22 12:44:04
August 22 2014 12:43 GMT
#63
On August 22 2014 13:13 Ryncol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 06:38 jyisvip wrote:
Just realized 14/16 in GSL ro16 are Kespa players.

The distinction is pretty irrelevant at this point, IMO.


It's still relevant IMO. Because when the big bw to sc2 switch happened nobody could really say if the bw players would actually taking over the top level sc2 scene (even if of course quite some expected it).

And slowly but surely we are witnessing that before the big switch we may haven't seen the highest stacked skill of sc2 so far.


PS: to the question 'who is not a kespa player' (meaning: who was commited to sc2 before the big switch)
--> only DRG, PartinG & Maru afaik
Cazimirbzh
Profile Joined February 2014
334 Posts
August 22 2014 14:48 GMT
#64
Maru commited to sc2 what a surprise :p u want korean pple to strat playing at pro level before 13 years old?
DRG was a bw player but just not a good one
I remember more the war w3/bw players(grubbbyyy!!)


So glad that God has now time for wcs, final maru vs flash ?

Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2956 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-22 18:49:43
August 22 2014 18:44 GMT
#65
On August 22 2014 23:48 Cazimirbzh wrote:
Maru commited to sc2 what a surprise :p u want korean pple to strat playing at pro level before 13 years old?
DRG was a bw player but just not a good one
I remember more the war w3/bw players(grubbbyyy!!)


So glad that God has now time for wcs, final maru vs flash ?



Well... but how many of the current Top KeSPA-players were really top class BW-players? Serious question, because I didn't really follow the BW scene and only know the really famous players. And players like Cure seem rather young to be a former top class BW-player. :-P
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
August 22 2014 18:59 GMT
#66
On August 22 2014 21:43 odem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2014 13:13 Ryncol wrote:
On August 22 2014 06:38 jyisvip wrote:
Just realized 14/16 in GSL ro16 are Kespa players.

The distinction is pretty irrelevant at this point, IMO.


It's still relevant IMO. Because when the big bw to sc2 switch happened nobody could really say if the bw players would actually taking over the top level sc2 scene (even if of course quite some expected it).

And slowly but surely we are witnessing that before the big switch we may haven't seen the highest stacked skill of sc2 so far.


PS: to the question 'who is not a kespa player' (meaning: who was commited to sc2 before the big switch)
--> only DRG, PartinG & Maru afaik


It's not a fair comparison because the non-Kespa Korean teams are broke. Late WoL and early HoTs were more appropriate to compare to the sides and they were somewhat equal.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
Loccstana
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States833 Posts
August 22 2014 19:02 GMT
#67
you do not beat god
[url]http://i.imgur.com/lw2yN.jpg[/url]
beachbeachy
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States509 Posts
August 22 2014 19:08 GMT
#68
Thanks for the interview.

I'll be honest, I haven't been keeping up with SC2 lately, but given Flash's hot streak, I plan to at least watch this GSL. Yes, I'm an avid Flash fan = O Anyway, I have a couple questions, if anyone would mind entertaining them...

Is SC2 progressing or regressing? Is the skill cap being raised? What basis is blizzard making balance changes on?

Is it worth getting started on the ladder this late? I didn't feel that the game was rewarding in 2011, last I played.

In regards to the interview, what kind of bashing is Parting participating in? At face value, I find it absurd that some average pro is shitting on flash, the best RTS player of all time.
Dream no small dreams for they have no power to move the hearts of men. - Goethe
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-22 23:13:35
August 22 2014 23:11 GMT
#69
That's a metric frick-ton-bunch of players I'd love to follow. Should be an incredible Code S. O.O

On August 23 2014 04:08 beachbeachy wrote:
Is it worth getting started on the ladder this late? I didn't feel that the game was rewarding in 2011, last I played.


I'm getting back onto Ladder lately. Never a dull moment on Ladder.

It depends completely on your interest in the game. Don't think about "rewards" via Ladder; play for pure fun. :-D
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
Cazimirbzh
Profile Joined February 2014
334 Posts
August 23 2014 17:33 GMT
#70
Well... but how many of the current Top KeSPA-players were really top class BW-players?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players
and Cure is not really a top sc2 player^^ broken tvp helped him a lot that's the reason why we have so many terran in gsl

Is SC2 progressing or regressing? Is the skill cap being raised?
sc2 environnement is now quite stable, we're still waiting for some changes to improve the ability of the scene to make it to the new level^^

Is the skill cap being raised?
yes, pple in master league are supposed to know how to play after 4 years :p, BO and meta is more ez now that's settled.

What basis is blizzard making balance changes on?
broken tvp, some new units will be introduced with legacy of the voyd

Is it worth getting started on the ladder this late?
Ladder is for noobs with no friends or skills, dont go to NA there is no level here, however i dont understand what u meant by "rewarding"
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
August 23 2014 17:49 GMT
#71
@Cazimirbzh

Nothing wrong with ladder, that is the only comment you made that was a bit silly. It's a good way to get yourself started and learn the ropes and meet people, if you don't already have RL friends who play.

Additionally ladder is in fact good for practice if you don't have an established group to play with. Also very good for new players to play on, if ladder was totally useless no pro would ever get on it.
Twitter: @GoForNerski /// Youtube: Youtube.com/nerskisc
Cazimirbzh
Profile Joined February 2014
334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-24 02:42:32
August 24 2014 02:38 GMT
#72
there are plenty of pple that can help you to pratice "adopt a noob" for example, a lot of of fun teams can be contacted trough bliizzard forum and i dont even count the numerous fanclub when u can meet tons of pple or even here :p

if you want to be good at sc2, you need first to have strong BO. If as a terran, you cannot keep scv production and are supplyblock often there is really no point in ladder^^ scrapbook / custom trainers(tl trainer :p ) are good tools. take 4m BO
Now that you have a strong BO and you can understand why do you're doing what you're doing (reaper vs cheesy, helion vs creep/ovepoprlings, mines and marines split to engage), u'll be able to adapt your BO according to the situation and what you scout, (produce tank vs roach 1A/speed, build ebay before racks if u scout late gas from zerg. and that for every MU^^
“Details make perfection, and perfection is not a detail.” LDV

My point is the only way to have a strong BO is to spam it.
"perfection is approachable through repetition" IAM

On ladder, u'll meet different races so every time you will drastically disrupt your mechanics and so your skills/mechanics will increase very slowly compared to what you can achieve by having to find only 3 pple (1 zerg 1 terran 1 protoss) and spend time to play with them and perhaps become friends.

But of course the choice is all yours

ps: NA is dead and KR is not the place where you'll meet the korean pros.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
August 24 2014 02:49 GMT
#73
Would (T)Flash's recent online success translate successfully to the offline stage?


Find out in the next exciting episode of Dragon Ball Z!
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
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