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Tt eSports withholding payments from Prime? - Page 7
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NexT_SC2
United States117 Posts
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
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ETisME
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They should at least give us the other side of the story | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
You don't need to shit on the name of ttesport for free like that, really a shitty move from prime. You don't recieve a payment ? Fine ! First try to negotiate then if it was not successful engage legal procedure and THEN if the verdict feels unbalanced to you make it public. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On August 15 2014 09:19 shid0x wrote: Just take a legal actions and don't make this fucking public. You don't need to shit on the name of ttesport for free like that, really a shitty move from prime. You don't recieve a payment ? Fine ! First try to negotiate then if it was not successful engage legal procedure and THEN if the verdict feels unbalanced to you make it public. Perhaps simply paying the money they promised could solve the problem beforehand? Legal action is difficult, time-consuming and potentially expensive. Prime can't make that happen easily, if at all. | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
On August 15 2014 09:19 shid0x wrote: Just take a legal actions and don't make this fucking public. You don't need to shit on the name of ttesport for free like that, really a shitty move from prime. You don't recieve a payment ? Fine ! First try to negotiate then if it was not successful engage legal procedure and THEN if the verdict feels unbalanced to you make it public. It was being handled privately for quite some time... read the thread before posting ignorant posts. Chuddinator has stated that Prime tried to handle it privately before in this very thread. | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On August 15 2014 09:19 shid0x wrote: Just take a legal actions and don't make this fucking public. Taking legal action is expensive though and I question whether Prime could afford to do so. KeSPA hopefully have got Prime's back. I know Chuddinator earlier in the thread was mentioning how he was on the phone and having Skype calls with TteSports. I'm just hoping this all has been/gets resolved and Prime get the money they are owed. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On July 29 2014 23:45 Chuddinater wrote: You can voice your opinion by posting to their twitter or facebook and by not buying their products. Save e-Sports by complaining to Tt esports and not buying their products. I'm sorry Mr KeSPA guy but you sound very unprofessional. I'll clarify why but let me first say I am not a fan of neither Prime nor Tt e-Sports. So you say you're talking to Tt e-Sports on phone and Skype to resolve this, right? Obviously, it seems you have not reached the final stage of talks, so you've not exhausted communication yet. On the other hand, you propose boycott of their products right away before anything is finalised. Do you need an example why this is stupid or do you see it now? On July 29 2014 13:59 Chuddinater wrote: None of the players like to actually use the TT equipment. The equipment is pretty bad. And keep it to yourself. You make e-Sports look bad if you say players don't like their sponsor's stuff. You look bad to any potential sponsor. Even if they don't like their sponsor's material, DON'T make it public. SC2 is at a stage where it needs more sponsors and you do exactly the opposite with revelations like in the last quote. Honestly, with rushed and tactless statements like that, you're the one that makes e-Sports look like a joke. Edit: How are you in the KeSPA business team with aggressive posts like that? If you were an SC2 fan, I would understand. However, you're expected to be more diplomatic and more considerate. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 15 2014 09:19 shid0x wrote: Just take a legal actions and don't make this fucking public. You don't need to shit on the name of ttesport for free like that, really a shitty move from prime. You don't recieve a payment ? Fine ! First try to negotiate then if it was not successful engage legal procedure and THEN if the verdict feels unbalanced to you make it public. Such a stupid mentality. Don't shit on their name, even though they didn't pay! Why the hell wouldn't you shit on their name. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On August 15 2014 09:35 darkness wrote: I'm sorry Mr KeSPA guy but you sound very unprofessional. I'll clarify why but let me first say I am not a fan of neither Prime nor Tt e-Sports. So you say you're talking to Tt e-Sports on phone and Skype to resolve this, right? Obviously, it seems you have not reached the final stage of talks, so you've not exhausted communication yet. On the other hand, you propose boycott of their products right away before anything is finalised. Do you need an example why this is stupid or do you see it now? And keep it to yourself. You make e-Sports look bad if you say players don't like their sponsor's stuff. You look bad to any potential sponsor. Even if they don't like their sponsor's material, DON'T make it public. SC2 is at a stage where it needs more sponsors and you do exactly the opposite with revelations like in the last quote. Honestly, with rushed and tactless statements like that, you're the one that makes e-Sports look like a joke. Edit: How are you in the KeSPA business team with aggressive posts like that? If you were an SC2 fan, I would understand. However, you're expected to be more diplomatic and more considerate. I'm sorry, you want sponsors who don't pay what they owe to continue to sabotage SC2 teams? Nobody's saying bad things about reliable sponsors (who may or may not have shitty gear). Sponsors with shitty gear who pay their teams have nothing to worry about. Sponsors with shitty gear who don't intend to pay their teams, on the other hand... won't be missed. | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2eq4fr/kespa_shop_big_signing_event_at_primezzangnet/ | ||
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bypLy
757 Posts
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On August 28 2014 06:35 Crot4le wrote: From Gerrard (Prime staff) "A signature-seeking campaign - TT e-sports didn't paid out the funds they agreed to support Prime and don't say anymore about it after the contract ended. TT e-sports must pay the funds they promised!!!. Dear global e-sports fans, please help us. This kind of matter must not happen again for e-sports' growth, not anymore!!! // Content of a body = http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/463461-tt-esports-withholding-payments-from-prime[3] // Writing on TTesports Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TteSPORTS[4]" http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/2eq4fr/kespa_shop_big_signing_event_at_primezzangnet/ We don't know what the agreement said, if clauses existed that TT e-sports felt Prime was in violation of, etc. All of the discussion is purely speculative, when you don't have the signed agreement to look at. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On August 28 2014 06:55 Ctone23 wrote: We don't know what the agreement said, if clauses existed that TT e-sports felt Prime was in violation of, etc. All of the discussion is purely speculative, when you don't have the signed agreement to look at. dude read the thread unless you think kespa is actively lying in posts on tl to drum up irrelevant support from tl posters this has already been addressed | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On August 28 2014 07:07 strongandbig wrote: dude read the thread unless you think kespa is actively lying in posts on tl to drum up irrelevant support from tl posters this has already been addressed Or you can read my post. Speculation from a Kespa representative doesn't constitute the agreement made for public view. | ||
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
On July 29 2014 12:58 vult wrote: Sad to hear, but Prime isn't exactly making things happen. Tt doesn't seem like it gets much market share increases from Prime and their influence, and maybe they think that Prime is undeserving of endorsement money. even if sponsoring prime decreases their market share they're obliged to pay what's defined in the contract. | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On August 28 2014 07:40 esdf wrote: even if sponsoring prime decreases their market share they're obliged to pay what's defined in the contract. Exactly. | ||
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
This is non-payment from Jan - Apr this year. The prime statement is from the end of July, shortly after we have a KeSPA representative saying they've been in talks for two weeks. A month later all we have from Thermaltake is "We didn't get the exposure we expected" which is not a reason, it's a poor excuse. If Prime had given them more exposure than they expected what are the chances that Prime would have got a bonus not stipulated in the contract? For the "pro bizznezzmenz" who still think this is ok I'll explain how it works in grown up land. A contract is a contract is a contract. And yes, people renege on contracts because legal fees act as a barrier to ensuring the fulfilment of a broken contract, especially when the sums involved are small. However that doesn't make reneging on contracts normal, healthy or justifiable. If you want companies to look at the scene and think they can unilaterally throw contracts in the toilet then sure, support Thermaltake. If you want to live up to the reputation of a young, connected, well educated, rabidly loyal audience then do the rabidly loyal, well educated, connected, young thing and go on Thermaltake's face book and let them know you will be boycotting them until such time as they pay Prime. You won't just be sending a message to Thermaltake, you'll be sending a message to all sponsers: Don't fuck with our guys. According to Gerrard Prime this is the place to go to tell them to start behaving like a company you want to buy products from : https://www.facebook.com/TteSPORTS | ||
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On August 28 2014 07:18 Ctone23 wrote: Or you can read my post. Speculation from a Kespa representative doesn't constitute the agreement made for public view. What are you expecting? Prime posting a pdf of the entire agreement along with their internal audited expenditures w/ bank account information? Even with formal legal charges and a court ruling the public doesn't get to see any of that. | ||
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