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DerFreemind
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany45 Posts
June 29 2014 14:42 GMT
#161
Great read! Very objectiv! I hope David Kim read this!
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
June 29 2014 14:42 GMT
#162
I am a random player now so I have no bias at all really. And I do actually think terran is possibly at little under powered right now. But I can't wait for the shit storm of whine whenever I beat a terran on ladder now with Z or P because of this article. But I guess it has to be.
"Right on" - Morrow
TameNaken
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Australia361 Posts
June 29 2014 14:42 GMT
#163
Can 100% attest to TvP lategame. Too many protoss 'comebacks' knocking the best terrans out of the competition by simply playing defensive and reaching that money composition.

But I'm surprised you didn't really mention much of the maps in the TvZ section. From what I understand this season's pool has favoured larger maps and hence zerg. It's possible that on a pool of smaller maps we'd see a better balance to TvZ.
MHT
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1026 Posts
June 29 2014 14:46 GMT
#164
Well on plus-side the games much easier to balance now with just 2 races, maybe they need to go back to their roots and relearn how to balance things before trying with 3 races again.
DeadByDawn
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom476 Posts
June 29 2014 14:47 GMT
#165
On June 29 2014 23:28 Automation wrote:
(As a plat terran player so you can disregard my opinion if you want) I think reverting the mine patch or just increasing the mine splash damage range (instead of a 40/30/20/10 to a 40/20 with 40/30 range as 20/10 to 20). This would make it much easier for late game tvz. I believe that the 40 flat was overpowered since 1 mine could potentially get 10 fold its value. Increasing the damage so 2 mines could kill a baneling at max range is fair. Just my opinion though.

At this point in the game I would just be happy for no friendly fire damage on the mine. Too many games versus Zerg end with more Terran units killed by mines that Zerg units. And whilst it is true that good Zergs can exploit mines to do friendly kills and that is cool to watch it is also true that running speedlings into the enemy on A-Move will also likely end up killing a lot of Terran units.

Oh, and how the hell can a concussed Stalker blink, that really bugs me.
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 14:59:11
June 29 2014 14:47 GMT
#166
I had hoped for a great article, in the end I spend my time reading a huge balance whine, what a pity TL promoting these kinds of editorials.

You can just use all the reasoning of your whines actually against Terran; we would have to conclude Terran STILL needs time to adapt now, like, according to you, Zerg and Toss had to when they were weak.

Check the most complete database of all of StarCraft 2, Aligulac!!! 5 Terrans Top 10. Leading race by 4%. (Lagging race btw Zerg OMGG NEED TO WRITE AN EDITORIAL TPARCRAFT II). Even the raw statistics already just prove your exaggerated bitching wrong. Anyone could pick certain recent matches to "prove" how anything is OP except for maybe the Carrier. Bah. 0/10. Just creates negativity that is so unnecessary.
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13393 Posts
June 29 2014 14:50 GMT
#167
On June 29 2014 20:25 Mahanaim wrote:
This is one epic editorial :O


Thank you for being one of the few people who understands the direction this piece takes.

Total kudos for TheDwf, he did it singlehandedly and when some of us in the staff saw it we decided it deserved to be given special treatment.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Terence Chill
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany112 Posts
June 29 2014 14:54 GMT
#168
ZParcraft...the most used word by dia terrans in postgame flame the next 2 weeks
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
June 29 2014 14:54 GMT
#169
this is work of art
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Varroth
Profile Joined April 2014
Sweden471 Posts
June 29 2014 14:54 GMT
#170
Brings up good points but honestly it seems mostly likely ''terran elitism'' from the writer like how he practically blatantly says that playing zerg/toss takes no skill while playing terran is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard and its so underpowered you need GODLIKE micro to achieve the slightest bit in the game with terran
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 29 2014 14:55 GMT
#171
This was such a beautiful read. I took an hour or something to read carefully. This one-line post doesn't do justice to the appreciation I have for the author for writing this.

Thank you.
maru lover forever
mau5mat
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Northern Ireland461 Posts
June 29 2014 14:56 GMT
#172
Love TheDwf, he raises good points that are backed up with evidence from a wide span of games over a long time period.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 29 2014 14:58 GMT
#173
It's like he actually understood what he was saying and he really brought to light the delicate balance that there is in Starcraft.

It's more understandable now, by reading this, why the Queen buff was as big as it was.

Indeed, DK is apparently a dumbass who has no idea what he was doing. IdrA was right after all, not that I ever actually doubted him.
maru lover forever
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12387 Posts
June 29 2014 14:58 GMT
#174
On June 29 2014 23:42 JacobShock wrote:
I am a random player now so I have no bias at all really. And I do actually think terran is possibly at little under powered right now. But I can't wait for the shit storm of whine whenever I beat a terran on ladder now with Z or P because of this article. But I guess it has to be.


Let's not pretend it's not already happening please..
No will to live, no wish to die
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
June 29 2014 14:59 GMT
#175
Apparently a lot of people read this very differently than I did... I see the frustration towards the situation, but how people can call what thedwf just wrote utter schlock is rather disrespectful to the effort put in. Please people, if you have criticisms please refrain from knee jerk reactions and respect the author, even if you disagree.
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robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 15:00:20
June 29 2014 14:59 GMT
#176
While I agree with many of the statements and a lot of the points are certainly valid, I gotta say that this comes off way to salty, and reads like a giant balance whine at times. You did yourself no favors with all those snarky comments and sarcastic remarks about patches and the hint at a menacing "propaganda" against terran. Unlike the lings of liberty article (I know it's from a different guy) these remarks don't seem to be half jokingly either.

People whoa are calling this outright "trash" are pretty funny though.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-29 15:00:55
June 29 2014 14:59 GMT
#177
Thank you so much TheDwf and Naganis!

I hope David Kim reads this...

Also, funny how people claim "balance whine". There is a balance issue, end of.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 29 2014 15:00 GMT
#178
On June 29 2014 23:54 Terence Chill wrote:
ZParcraft...the most used word by dia terrans in postgame flame the next 2 weeks

I was hoping for a catchier title
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
June 29 2014 15:00 GMT
#179
Very interesting read. I don't agree with it completely but it's given me something to think about today.
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Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
June 29 2014 15:00 GMT
#180
I still can't believe how TL features what is against their very own general rules.
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
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