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Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
April 11 2014 10:31 GMT
#141
I wonder why they really dropped Dear. In ATC he was the only player of mousesports performing.
He beat Taeja, Snute and Mana.

So, I don't think the performance was the problem. Maybe communication difficulties.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-11 10:33:47
April 11 2014 10:33 GMT
#142
On April 11 2014 19:27 krneki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 19:15 Koivusto wrote:
I'm a geography major and I still can't put every country (like 100%) on map.


so because you are bad at what you are studying, it makes it all perfect?

its not like OP put random flag on it. he must have LP'd starbuck, to see where is he from. im sure it said slovenia. and then he probably went to look for slovenian flag and found slovakian. now that aint geography mistake, its lack of effort.

next time do the thread right, and we want have to steal the topic on hand with this crap

You know what, I'm a human, I apologize if I made mistake. It's true I did not check the nationality of Starbuck but you know what ? I wanted to add flag instead of a shitty coy/paste for the thread. If you have any problem with me just PM me.
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JohnChoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
1773 Posts
April 11 2014 10:33 GMT
#143
On April 11 2014 19:15 Koivusto wrote:
One slovenian got his feelings hurt because of one small error and then the whole thread turns into a geography discussion lol. I'm a geography major and I still can't put every country (like 100%) on map. Also americans occasionally get a lot of flame about lack of knowledge in the field of European basic geography but I feel like many europeans also have troubles, for example putting states of america on map ^^

On topic, I really don't know what to think of mouz right now. Or maybe esports business can just be brutal sometimes and dear just got his part. I hope he will get back on track.

dam.. I grew up in america and I still don't think I can put states of america on map lol.
rikapi
Profile Joined January 2014
United States63 Posts
April 11 2014 10:34 GMT
#144
....now I totally feel like crap for cheering for Journey (in hopes of him getting a team) in the loser's match - I'd have been totally neutral had I known both players were in need of a team T_T
saving e-sports one Carbot cookie at a time :D
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
April 11 2014 10:34 GMT
#145
On April 11 2014 19:27 krneki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 19:15 Koivusto wrote:
I'm a geography major and I still can't put every country (like 100%) on map.


so because you are bad at what you are studying, it makes it all perfect?

its not like OP put random flag on it. he must have LP'd starbuck, to see where is he from. im sure it said slovenia. and then he probably went to look for slovenian flag and found slovakian. now that aint geography mistake, its lack of effort.

next time do the thread right, and we want have to steal the topic on hand with this crap


Stop derailing you entitled prick.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
April 11 2014 10:35 GMT
#146
On April 11 2014 19:27 krneki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 19:15 Koivusto wrote:
I'm a geography major and I still can't put every country (like 100%) on map.


so because you are bad at what you are studying, it makes it all perfect?

its not like OP put random flag on it. he must have LP'd starbuck, to see where is he from. im sure it said slovenia. and then he probably went to look for slovenian flag and found slovakian. now that aint geography mistake, its lack of effort.

next time do the thread right, and we want have to steal the topic on hand with this crap

Maybe you should start another thread focusing on the finer details of eastern and central European geography. Regardless, your immediate departure from this one would be greatly appreciated.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Sneikku
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France60 Posts
April 11 2014 10:43 GMT
#147
On April 11 2014 19:15 Koivusto wrote:
One slovenian got his feelings hurt because of one small error and then the whole thread turns into a geography discussion lol. I'm a geography major and I still can't put every country (like 100%) on map. Also americans occasionally get a lot of flame about lack of knowledge in the field of European basic geography but I feel like many europeans also have troubles, for example putting states of america on map ^^

On topic, I really don't know what to think of mouz right now. Or maybe esports business can just be brutal sometimes and dear just got his part. I hope he will get back on track.

Well US states are so different thing than actual countries :D
yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
April 11 2014 10:45 GMT
#148
Hopefully Dear gets better in Korea.
Good luck. Hope to see you in Proleague.
gl hf
mikkmagro
Profile Joined April 2011
Malta1513 Posts
April 11 2014 10:49 GMT
#149
On April 11 2014 19:11 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 19:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:08 sAsImre wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:06 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
What's the big deal, Mouz seem to be getting a ton of flak for this, if anything I'd criticise them more for picking him up.


I don't get opinions like this...


Mouz is/was one of the last european team with actual european players and they picked someone without including him in a wider project. Bringing dear to eu in order to play in wcs eu would've been better and cooler imo.


Fuck them for trying to give him more opportunities to play abroad right...


which is basically fking is training environnement. No team mates, no team house (not sure about this one), wasting time on planes/jet-lagging. No wonder why you nobody was consitently on top while going to every foreigner tournament. (except if you count 10k$ tournament with like 3top koreans the top of sc2)

It's not mouz's fault that SouL disbanded. He was offered a place at one of the best European orgs, and he took it. Mouz had to fire MaNa and hOpe in order to afford him, a translator, a Korean manager, and his flights to foreign tournaments. During his five month stay in mouz, he played in more foreign offline tournaments than he did throughout the rest of his career. He could have easily been drafted into a Proleague team when SouL and GSTL fell apart, but he went for what he perceived to be the path that would make him more successful with less work, but it wasn't the best decision for him it seems.

This is the reason why you have probation periods in employment, and this is why the first contracts are always short-term. Mouz did not see the benefit of paying large sums of money for Dear, and Dear himself was reaching a very low point in his career after a very successful few months due to lack of a team house, coach and practice partners, so this is the best for both.
mousesports, Team Acer, Fnatic!
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
April 11 2014 11:03 GMT
#150
Poor Dear

Even though he's in Code B surely a Korean team will pick him up? He's out of form right now, but everybody knows how good he is.
KUNGJAH
Profile Joined January 2014
Sweden53 Posts
April 11 2014 11:15 GMT
#151
On April 11 2014 19:07 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 18:59 sAsImre wrote:
On April 11 2014 18:56 Zealously wrote:
On April 11 2014 18:54 sAsImre wrote:
On April 11 2014 18:27 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 11 2014 18:08 frozzz wrote:
hilarious how TL doesnt even know the country codes for european countries. i can understand u dont know the exact code, but putting SK (there is no k in slovenia) and not noticing different flags from europe is indeed quite hilarious

I bet that most of europeans cant say which one is Slovakia and which one is Slovenia (from map). Also flags are so similar.


betting on the fact that most ppl are ignorant isn't a huge risk...

I'm sure I could dig up some two hundred flags that you don't know; people don't really tend to memorise these things beyond elementary school.


i sincerely doubt it if we're gonna talk about sovereign states. And if we talk about sovereign states in your own continent and regional organization it's definitely ignorance, especially since both Slovakia and Slovenia were part of recent (post WW2) events in history books. And you got freaking geography lessons too.


So then you know the vast majority of these flags by heart?

That said, none of this has anything to do with the topic at hand. Let's try and keep this thread about Dear and mouz instead of an honest mistake in the OP.





i can only speak for myself but i know pretty much all of those flags by heart. europeans are not as ignorant as americans when it comes to stuff outside their own borders. maybe a bad example since americans dont even know what goes in inside their own country. those clips of letterman or jay leno or whoever it was going out in the street asking americans stuff like who is george washington and they answer the dude who founded mcdonalds. damn most americans dont even know their god damn capital city like wtf?? is there any other country in the world where people dont know their capital city?

my favourite is

if you have someone from amsterdam what nationality is he? dude answers "uhhh Amsterdamian???"





sagi
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland346 Posts
April 11 2014 11:41 GMT
#152
On April 11 2014 19:11 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 19:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:08 sAsImre wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:06 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
What's the big deal, Mouz seem to be getting a ton of flak for this, if anything I'd criticise them more for picking him up.


I don't get opinions like this...


Mouz is/was one of the last european team with actual european players and they picked someone without including him in a wider project. Bringing dear to eu in order to play in wcs eu would've been better and cooler imo.


Fuck them for trying to give him more opportunities to play abroad right...


which is basically fking is training environnement. No team mates, no team house (not sure about this one), wasting time on planes/jet-lagging. No wonder why you nobody was consitently on top while going to every foreigner tournament. (except if you count 10k$ tournament with like 3top koreans the top of sc2)


Dear was clearly targeted by some European generals fighting in the great Foreigner-Korean war. The standard operation instructions go something like this:

Lure champion quality Korean into your team with promises of salary and tasty tasty bratwurst (or burgers if operation is run by Americans). If this isn't enough for the Korean to take the bait just mention "no more doing the dishes after proleague loss". This usually is enough to trap the target and make him flee his teamhouse hastily towards their freedom in own housing. Even better if you can get him running to the airport to live in foreign culture without proper ambitions.

After you've captured your target, expose them to bad practice partners and ridiculously lax schedule. Encourage laziness by tiring them with useless travels to puny $10k events. Have the target play online team matches in the middle of the night to further tire him out. The added lag on these events frustrates the target even more multiplying the mental damage. Usually no coaching is provided, but for extra effectiveness hire a foreign coach who doesn't speak Korean to confuse the target.

Work this routine for several months or until desired outcome is reached. When Code B status is certain or your shady finances are exposed, release the target back into the wild. Now that he is broken there's one less Korean to worry about in international tournaments.

+ Show Spoiler +
I shouldn't have to point out this is a joke...
hi patrik!
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
April 11 2014 11:41 GMT
#153
Dear Get rest, go kespa and dominate world again plz, always cheering for you!!
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-11 11:45:12
April 11 2014 11:45 GMT
#154
Good for Dear, let's be honest.
Yoe FW/MVP and let's go, climb back.
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jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
April 11 2014 11:51 GMT
#155
Ouch, poor Dear indeed. Seems like a really rough day for him and I hope someone picks him up. He hasn't been consistent, but he has still shown some fantastic results! I hope he isn't teamless too long.
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
April 11 2014 11:51 GMT
#156
On April 11 2014 20:41 sagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 19:11 sAsImre wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:08 sAsImre wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:06 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
What's the big deal, Mouz seem to be getting a ton of flak for this, if anything I'd criticise them more for picking him up.


I don't get opinions like this...


Mouz is/was one of the last european team with actual european players and they picked someone without including him in a wider project. Bringing dear to eu in order to play in wcs eu would've been better and cooler imo.


Fuck them for trying to give him more opportunities to play abroad right...


which is basically fking is training environnement. No team mates, no team house (not sure about this one), wasting time on planes/jet-lagging. No wonder why you nobody was consitently on top while going to every foreigner tournament. (except if you count 10k$ tournament with like 3top koreans the top of sc2)


Dear was clearly targeted by some European generals fighting in the great Foreigner-Korean war. The standard operation instructions go something like this:

Lure champion quality Korean into your team with promises of salary and tasty tasty bratwurst (or burgers if operation is run by Americans). If this isn't enough for the Korean to take the bait just mention "no more doing the dishes after proleague loss". This usually is enough to trap the target and make him flee his teamhouse hastily towards their freedom in own housing. Even better if you can get him running to the airport to live in foreign culture without proper ambitions.

After you've captured your target, expose them to bad practice partners and ridiculously lax schedule. Encourage laziness by tiring them with useless travels to puny $10k events. Have the target play online team matches in the middle of the night to further tire him out. The added lag on these events frustrates the target even more multiplying the mental damage. Usually no coaching is provided, but for extra effectiveness hire a foreign coach who doesn't speak Korean to confuse the target.

Work this routine for several months or until desired outcome is reached. When Code B status is certain or your shady finances are exposed, release the target back into the wild. Now that he is broken there's one less Korean to worry about in international tournaments.

+ Show Spoiler +
I shouldn't have to point out this is a joke...


So well written :D That's really good way to get foreigners win more money
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
April 11 2014 12:13 GMT
#157
On April 11 2014 20:41 sagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2014 19:11 sAsImre wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:09 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:08 sAsImre wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:06 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On April 11 2014 19:03 Wombat_NI wrote:
What's the big deal, Mouz seem to be getting a ton of flak for this, if anything I'd criticise them more for picking him up.


I don't get opinions like this...


Mouz is/was one of the last european team with actual european players and they picked someone without including him in a wider project. Bringing dear to eu in order to play in wcs eu would've been better and cooler imo.


Fuck them for trying to give him more opportunities to play abroad right...


which is basically fking is training environnement. No team mates, no team house (not sure about this one), wasting time on planes/jet-lagging. No wonder why you nobody was consitently on top while going to every foreigner tournament. (except if you count 10k$ tournament with like 3top koreans the top of sc2)


Dear was clearly targeted by some European generals fighting in the great Foreigner-Korean war. The standard operation instructions go something like this:

Lure champion quality Korean into your team with promises of salary and tasty tasty bratwurst (or burgers if operation is run by Americans). If this isn't enough for the Korean to take the bait just mention "no more doing the dishes after proleague loss". This usually is enough to trap the target and make him flee his teamhouse hastily towards their freedom in own housing. Even better if you can get him running to the airport to live in foreign culture without proper ambitions.

After you've captured your target, expose them to bad practice partners and ridiculously lax schedule. Encourage laziness by tiring them with useless travels to puny $10k events. Have the target play online team matches in the middle of the night to further tire him out. The added lag on these events frustrates the target even more multiplying the mental damage. Usually no coaching is provided, but for extra effectiveness hire a foreign coach who doesn't speak Korean to confuse the target.

Work this routine for several months or until desired outcome is reached. When Code B status is certain or your shady finances are exposed, release the target back into the wild. Now that he is broken there's one less Korean to worry about in international tournaments.

+ Show Spoiler +
I shouldn't have to point out this is a joke...

aha!
korean contamination procedures, code b virus
highly effective strategy
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Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
April 11 2014 12:16 GMT
#158
Ok keep players like HeroMarine and other European players that haven't won anything and drop Dear. Makes sense
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 11 2014 12:28 GMT
#159
That basically seals Mouz fate in atc
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
April 11 2014 12:31 GMT
#160
His skill lvl dropped rapidly after he joined overseas team From on top of the world just another mediocre protoss. Hope he joins Kespa team, would love to see him play in proleague.

Nothing against mouz tho, looking forward to see who will they be adding next!
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