EPTShit like that was irritating to watch because I was cheering for soO and to see him make such big mistakes is unfathomable at their level. I mean, seriously. They say when you're ahead, get more ahead or if you see a chance, just go and finish him but soO didn't even get ahead lol. He had 3-4 bases he could've taken, tons of spores/spines to defend against dts and any small zealots attack etc... but he kept dancing his army around the map as if that does anything. He could've even gotten zipers, sniped colossi, archons, the mothership with that 10k/6k bank but nope ><; Congrats to Zest and he definitely has the skills but as I mentioned in the LR, this was more soO backstabbing himself due to horrible late game decision making skills and allowing Zest to come back from bad situations. Even roro vs symbol was more interesting lol.
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Shit like that was irritating to watch because I was cheering for soO and to see him make such big mistakes is unfathomable at their level. I mean, seriously. They say when you're ahead, get more ahead or if you see a chance, just go and finish him but soO didn't even get ahead lol. He had 3-4 bases he could've taken, tons of spores/spines to defend against dts and any small zealots attack etc... but he kept dancing his army around the map as if that does anything. He could've even gotten zipers, sniped colossi, archons, the mothership with that 10k/6k bank but nope ><; Congrats to Zest and he definitely has the skills but as I mentioned in the LR, this was more soO backstabbing himself due to horrible late game decision making skills and allowing Zest to come back from bad situations. Even roro vs symbol was more interesting lol. | ||
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MysteryMeat1
United States3292 Posts
On April 06 2014 01:50 mr.reee wrote: Teamliquid - Don't ruin the GSL code S finals with a spoiling headline on the front page. I have 'hide spoilers' checked for a reason. Who the fuck checks TL the day after a premier tournament. If i ever do want to watch it i just have my friend find it and link it to me on skype or something. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On April 06 2014 04:07 TRaFFiC wrote: haha, I'm surprised there aren't more zerg players in here announcing their retirements. It was all the finals I could ask for. Both players pulled great comebacks. I feel Soo could have won if he had been more decisive, but he wasn't suffering from indecision when he attacked Zest with roach hydra ling after faking a muta switch in the last game. The move didn't work, but I loved it. The prize pool is seriously fucked over there. With Zest taking home 5x more money, it might as well have been winner takes all. And then we wonder why all the Koreans are bailing hard on the KR region... They bailed 12 months ago, when the prize money was the same in all regions, nothing to do with the current GSL prize money. The WCS Korea prize pool distribution is as close to exactly the same as WCS EU and WCS AM as possible. The only different being the winner gets an extra $45k. So, if anything, staying in Korea would be more enticing than 12 months ago... On April 06 2014 05:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Who the fuck checks TL the day after a premier tournament. If i ever do want to watch it i just have my friend find it and link it to me on skype or something. No kidding, pretty silly. Either have some self-control and do something else other than browse TL until you have watched the finals, or dont complain imo. | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On April 06 2014 05:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Who the fuck checks TL the day after a premier tournament. If i ever do want to watch it i just have my friend find it and link it to me on skype or something. Don't want to be a fuck-up, but if TL.net implements a spoiler function, they should really use it  . That's what it's for - that you CAN check out TL.net without being spoilered. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7801 Posts
Anyway congrats Zest you slayer. | ||
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Blargh
United States2103 Posts
On April 06 2014 03:33 mangofrancesco wrote: I take it that the people already bitching in this thread about Protoss and balance didn't actually watch any of the games because they were all close and evenly matched. "Imbalance" had nothing to do with this win for Zest. But, it's impossible to reason with people who will whine no matter what. The series was mediocre at best. Both players made tons of mistakes all-throughout, which determined almost every single match. So, I wouldn't exactly say it reflected "balance" very well, but if you were to include the other premier tournaments as well, it's quite clear that Protoss is (or at least was) dominant. | ||
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
That doesn't read right as it makes it sound like SoO went Muta/Corruptor because of the TL preview which is not the case and not what I imagine you are saying anyway. Rather, I suppose, what you are saying is that he would have gone Muta/Corruptor in 6/7 because that is his style as detailed in the TL GSL finals preview. I really enjoyed the finals. One of the best series I have seen in a long time. I'm also happy that the crowd were so solidly into it. That last game was so tense when SoO moved out but Zest, perhaps learning from Polar Night, played it so safe with Colo and extra gates before taking the third. I was hoping SoO would win it, but I can have no qualms with Zest taking it. SoO made too many mistakes, and Zest showed the resilience of a champion in clawing back games 2 and 4 from the abyss. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10160 Posts
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c0olL
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Silvana
3713 Posts
Loved the pre game videos about their storylines... (also Zest's was so touching!) | ||
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
 Overall it was a good final, back and forth, rich variety of strategies, some comebacks, I think probably the best PvZ final the GSL ever had. | ||
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Zanzabarr
Canada217 Posts
On April 06 2014 05:36 BigFan wrote: I dunno how people can call these finals one of the best PvZs they've seen(saw it mentioned in some comments in LR and such). I can understand that PvZ has been undergoing a lot of changes and swarmhost games are boring to watch etc... but honestly, soO should've won this series 4-1. He had 2 won games(maybe even 3 but let's say 2 for sure), one where he kept throwing away mutas allowing Zest to come back into the game but he didn't know when to stop and the other where he had 10k/6k bank and had a superior army plus more bases and had a large corruptor/muta flock with some BLs and infestors. He even had 6 ultras with this army. He could've easily parked his air army behind Zest's 4th base and stopped mining then engaged the rest of the army outside that but he sat back, banked a lot of money which he didn't use and allowed Zest to get more bases for w/e reason then panicked when he lost. Shit like that was irritating to watch because I was cheering for soO and to see him make such big mistakes is unfathomable at their level. I mean, seriously. They say when you're ahead, get more ahead or if you see a chance, just go and finish him but soO didn't even get ahead lol. He had 3-4 bases he could've taken, tons of spores/spines to defend against dts and any small zealots attack etc... but he kept dancing his army around the map as if that does anything. He could've even gotten zipers, sniped colossi, archons, the mothership with that 10k/6k bank but nope ><; Congrats to Zest and he definitely has the skills but as I mentioned in the LR, this was more soO backstabbing himself due to horrible late game decision making skills and allowing Zest to come back from bad situations. Even roro vs symbol was more interesting lol. I agree with your sentiments. I found these series to be quite lackluster. It was a decent GSL finals in comparison to most of the GSL finals in the past, but that isn't saying all that much, considering the GSL finals has often been outright terrible landslides. I considered it to be the most "un-epic" epic 7 game finals I have seen. soO's decision making in the longer games was pretty mind boggling. During the Yeonsu game, soO was in a near unbeatable position when I turned to my friend and said "It's over. The only way Zest could possible come back is if soO a-moves his air army repeatedly into the entire anti-air army of Zest + cannons". Like 2 minutes later, sure enough, soO derps in and out of Zest's third base repeatedly, losing tons of units for very little and gifting away his lead. The game Alterzim was pretty equally mind boggling. soO gets a massive eco and base lead, but instead of trading units for units to make use of his bank, he derps around back and forth with his army, eventually building up as much as 11k minerals / 10k gas, while the toss the whole time has been spending all of his money just to create a super army of which he doesn't have the economy to replace. soO only decides to engage after retreating and gifting 5-6 Broodlords for free, and sending his ultras + queens into the Protoss third cannon wall to die. soO's remaining army is considerably weakened by this, and takes a pretty bad engage. It's only after he remaxes on some more Ultras and other units that soO is able to push Zest back, but by this point his bank is basically halved. He follows up with trying to go back into air, but Zest predicted this, and had a bunch of phoenix saved up. This all coupled with soO allowing Zest to get a fourth up. But hey, at least soO tried to get infestors in that game. | ||
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Damngood
16 Posts
On April 06 2014 02:12 Enselmis wrote: Ooooh a protoss won something. Shocker. Thats identical to what I said to myself when I saw this. | ||
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anessie
180 Posts
On April 06 2014 05:40 liberate71 wrote: No kidding, pretty silly. Either have some self-control and do something else other than browse TL until you have watched the finals, or dont complain imo. TL did a great job putting all the WCS/IEM news under the spoiler tag so it was safe to use TL ever since that feature got implemented. Only had this issue once last year for a smaller event. Now they spoil a GSL final (yearly gsl sub myself). That has nothing to do with self control, just has to do with a certain thrust that TL posters will make quality posts that include spoiler tags when needed. Edit: I do remember they messed up when Taeja won DH as well. | ||
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knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
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ETisME
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In many occasions that is what won him the game, such a skilled player | ||
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Zanzabarr
Canada217 Posts
On April 06 2014 11:01 knOxStarcraft wrote: Anyone else think this finals was a complete joke? soO played like garbage after the early to mid game for most of the series, so much so that I was asking myself if he was throwing the games on purpose. There is no way a GSL finalist should have been running into a fortified toss third with muta ling corruptor against pheonix blink stalker over and over. A diamond league player wouldn't have done that! Then he has a maxed army that would have likely won the game if he attacked but instead he sits on 10k 10k bank and lets the toss get a perfect comp and 5 base as well as lose 5 BL for nothing. Am I the only one shocked by this? There has to be some reason other than nerves that he played so badly. Haha yeah, I joked to my friend that the fix was in, and that the two players had already agreed to split the prize money before the games. Seemed like pretty bizarre play. The only explanation I can think of is that soO is used to always winning with a big muta / corruptor army, and once zest defended it, he had no clue what to do. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On April 06 2014 07:28 aZealot wrote: Nice write-up Wax. Just a little quibble with the following, "soO went mutalisks in 5/7 of the games, which might as well be 5/6 because game one ended before he could get a Lair. We're certain this was because of the TeamLiquid preview, where we said muta-corruptor was soO's most striking style" in notes and observations. That doesn't read right as it makes it sound like SoO went Muta/Corruptor because of the TL preview which is not the case and not what I imagine you are saying anyway. Rather, I suppose, what you are saying is that he would have gone Muta/Corruptor in 6/7 because that is his style as detailed in the TL GSL finals preview. I really enjoyed the finals. One of the best series I have seen in a long time. I'm also happy that the crowd were so solidly into it. That last game was so tense when SoO moved out but Zest, perhaps learning from Polar Night, played it so safe with Colo and extra gates before taking the third. I was hoping SoO would win it, but I can have no qualms with Zest taking it. SoO made too many mistakes, and Zest showed the resilience of a champion in clawing back games 2 and 4 from the abyss. I think saying that he went that style because of the TL preview is what he meant. I think he is making a joke saying his previews have a lot of influence on how the pros play.  | ||
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