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On April 06 2014 16:08 LingBlingBling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 15:22 Malphite wrote:
I think sc2 is hurting... because of protoss.
I watched these finals and only 30000k watched it?? if this had a terran, it would of been higher. I feel like protoss is a boring race to watch and thats why people aren't excited.
I'm sad because this finals should of been huge based on games.. but it wasn't Yeah.......but no, did you even watch the finals? It went all 7 games, SOo would of won if he did not throw 2 or 3 games that he had in the bag. Both played legit macro strats, with zest only doing a few cheesy builds. SC2 gets more views compared to when it started out. Stop with this stupid "protoss op no one watches sc2 anymore crap" There was no swarm hosts or anything boring or "op" in this best of 7, please stop joke. It was a good finals.
I didn't watch it live because it was early in the morning, and I was asleep. Not a good time for much of the world to watch, the games were great, so I agree with you wholeheartedly.
People tend to not consider all of the relevant variables when commenting. 30,000 concurrent viewers is pretty good for something that is broadcasted when all of europe and much of america is asleep.
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Any Zest interview translation?
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On April 07 2014 23:45 covetousrat wrote:
Any Zest interview translation?
None that I know of 
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Is there any way of seeing the series without a GSL subscription?
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OK finals, better than last season. Entertaining in terms of it being a rollercoaster, but hardly impressive play from either finalist. I didn't know who to root for going in, but Zest going full Protoss and attempting to cheese in game 1 really made me root for soO, and combined with soO's fantastic response, had me thinking "instant karma." I was also really, really impressed by soO's fake Muta switch into roach timing in game 7. So my respect for his early game decision making has definitely gone up. Then again, the mid/late games were sometimes atrociously, horrifyingly bad... and worst of all repeating the same mistakes over and over.
Nothing about Zest really stood out. Story of his GSL run. OK cheese - but not sOs level. OK Blink micro - but not PartinG level. OK macro and Zealot harassment - but not Rain level. I guess being OK at everything is enough to win. Pretty true of soO as a player as well, but soO did have those two inspired moments that made me think twice.
P.S. obligatory "/surprise@ Protoss winner." Five premier tourneys in a row, you say?
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On April 08 2014 10:02 pure.Wasted wrote:
OK finals, better than last season. Entertaining in terms of it being a rollercoaster, but hardly impressive play from either finalist. I didn't know who to root for going in, but Zest going full Protoss and attempting to cheese in game 1 really made me root for soO, and combined with soO's fantastic response, had me thinking "instant karma." I was also really, really impressed by soO's fake Muta switch into roach timing in game 7. So my respect for his early game decision making has definitely gone up. Then again, the mid/late games were sometimes atrociously, horrifyingly bad... and worst of all repeating the same mistakes over and over.
Nothing about Zest really stood out. Story of his GSL run. OK cheese - but not sOs level. OK Blink micro - but not PartinG level. OK macro and Zealot harassment - but not Rain level. I guess being OK at everything is enough to win. Pretty true of soO as a player as well, but soO did have those two inspired moments that made me think twice.
P.S. obligatory "/surprise@ Protoss winner." Five premier tourneys in a row, you say?
Lol. You definitely are pure wasted. I guess being OK enough to beat all the players you mentioned in his tourney run (except Parting who was slayed easily by SoO) just isn't enough. And Zest still beat Parting in PL R1 finals in match point. So... yeah. Also the fake muta into roach was read by Zest and countered... not saying you can't be impressed by SoO's attempt or mindset to try it, but Zest stomped that game 7 tactic. I guess he's just protoss though right?
I think Zest is cool with just being OK.
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On April 08 2014 07:13 Isarios wrote:
Is there any way of seeing the series without a GSL subscription?
Wait until April 19
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On April 08 2014 10:14 Vasoline73 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 10:02 pure.Wasted wrote:
OK finals, better than last season. Entertaining in terms of it being a rollercoaster, but hardly impressive play from either finalist. I didn't know who to root for going in, but Zest going full Protoss and attempting to cheese in game 1 really made me root for soO, and combined with soO's fantastic response, had me thinking "instant karma." I was also really, really impressed by soO's fake Muta switch into roach timing in game 7. So my respect for his early game decision making has definitely gone up. Then again, the mid/late games were sometimes atrociously, horrifyingly bad... and worst of all repeating the same mistakes over and over.
Nothing about Zest really stood out. Story of his GSL run. OK cheese - but not sOs level. OK Blink micro - but not PartinG level. OK macro and Zealot harassment - but not Rain level. I guess being OK at everything is enough to win. Pretty true of soO as a player as well, but soO did have those two inspired moments that made me think twice.
P.S. obligatory "/surprise@ Protoss winner." Five premier tourneys in a row, you say? Lol. You definitely are pure wasted. I guess being OK enough to beat all the players you mentioned in his tourney run (except Parting who was slayed easily by SoO) just isn't enough. And Zest still beat Parting in PL R1 finals in match point. So... yeah. Also the fake muta into roach was read by Zest and countered... not saying you can't be impressed by SoO's attempt or mindset to try it, but Zest stomped that game 7 tactic. I guess he's just protoss though right? I think Zest is cool with just being OK.
I'd love to see Zest counter that play without relying on Forcefields to save his ass by rendering Ling/Roach/Hydra compositions useless since 2010. SoO engages with a fantastic concave, but who cares, there's a Time Warp and enough FFs to keep the Hydras out of range until the Roaches are all dead. So, yeah, Protoss.
If you seriously think that either of these guys looked half as good as Innovation or Soulkey last year, we must be watching different games. They were both making horrendous mistakes left and right. Poor decision making, suboptimal control (Zest lost at least 3 Phoenixes to the same Spore Crawler in one game, wtf), doing the same plays over and over (Zealot pressure for Zest, Muta/Corruptor transitions for soO) allowing their opponent to get better and better at countering it over the course of the series. It makes for nail-biting viewing, certainly, but it's not the highest caliber of play.
And I'm sure that Zest's cool with it. Obviously it's enough to win a GSL title. Obviously I don't think it should be, but obviously my opinion doesn't matter.
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On April 08 2014 10:16 Xinzoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 07:13 Isarios wrote:
Is there any way of seeing the series without a GSL subscription? Wait until April 19
Thanks, where on april 19th though?
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On April 08 2014 10:56 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 10:14 Vasoline73 wrote:On April 08 2014 10:02 pure.Wasted wrote:
OK finals, better than last season. Entertaining in terms of it being a rollercoaster, but hardly impressive play from either finalist. I didn't know who to root for going in, but Zest going full Protoss and attempting to cheese in game 1 really made me root for soO, and combined with soO's fantastic response, had me thinking "instant karma." I was also really, really impressed by soO's fake Muta switch into roach timing in game 7. So my respect for his early game decision making has definitely gone up. Then again, the mid/late games were sometimes atrociously, horrifyingly bad... and worst of all repeating the same mistakes over and over.
Nothing about Zest really stood out. Story of his GSL run. OK cheese - but not sOs level. OK Blink micro - but not PartinG level. OK macro and Zealot harassment - but not Rain level. I guess being OK at everything is enough to win. Pretty true of soO as a player as well, but soO did have those two inspired moments that made me think twice.
P.S. obligatory "/surprise@ Protoss winner." Five premier tourneys in a row, you say? Lol. You definitely are pure wasted. I guess being OK enough to beat all the players you mentioned in his tourney run (except Parting who was slayed easily by SoO) just isn't enough. And Zest still beat Parting in PL R1 finals in match point. So... yeah. Also the fake muta into roach was read by Zest and countered... not saying you can't be impressed by SoO's attempt or mindset to try it, but Zest stomped that game 7 tactic. I guess he's just protoss though right? I think Zest is cool with just being OK. I'd love to see Zest counter that play without relying on Forcefields to save his ass by rendering Ling/Roach/Hydra compositions useless since 2010. SoO engages with a fantastic concave, but who cares, there's a Time Warp and enough FFs to keep the Hydras out of range until the Roaches are all dead. So, yeah, Protoss. If you seriously think that either of these guys looked half as good as Innovation or Soulkey last year, we must be watching different games. They were both making horrendous mistakes left and right. Poor decision making, suboptimal control (Zest lost at least 3 Phoenixes to the same Spore Crawler in one game, wtf), doing the same plays over and over (Zealot pressure for Zest, Muta/Corruptor transitions for soO) allowing their opponent to get better and better at countering it over the course of the series. It makes for nail-biting viewing, certainly, but it's not the highest caliber of play. And I'm sure that Zest's cool with it. Obviously it's enough to win a GSL title. Obviously I don't think it should be, but obviously my opinion doesn't matter.
But P really needed time warp to hold very strong and broken compositions like roach hydra. Would YOU be able to do a time warp, with such non-instant animation, on a group of units? I doubt it!
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