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The WCS Europe Ro16 ended with  San and MC earning the final two quarterfinal spots, triumping over  Nerchio and BlinG. The quarterfinal brackets were drawn immediately after:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Waxangel/WCS2014/Europe_1/ro8bracket_0.png) The quarterfinals, semis, and finals will be played between April 10th-13th.Poll: Who will win WCS Europe Season 1?VortiX (220) 19% MMA (188) 16% San (178) 15% Snute (173) 15% jjakji (149) 13% MC (131) 11% StarDust (76) 6% Welmu (74) 6% 1189 total votes Your vote: Who will win WCS Europe Season 1? (Vote): StarDust
(Vote): MC
(Vote): VortiX
(Vote): jjakji
(Vote): Snute
(Vote): MMA
(Vote): San
(Vote): Welmu
Next game day:
Check out our TeamLiquid's WCS Europe interviews with VortiX, Welmu, Kaelaris, and more: Interview compilation
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Good draws for foreigners overall, I think.
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MC vs Stardust will be sick!
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Two zvts? Yes, please! I think the foreigners actually have a decent chance in this.
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United States97276 Posts
Vortix looks pretty good in ZvT lately while jjakji has been a little unconvincing. Could see him and maybe even Snute advancing if they keep playing pretty well
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If everythings turns out as i think it will, San is gonna take it in the finals vs Vortix.
Will be sick without a doubt!
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MC > Stardust
Jjakji > Vortix
MMA > Snute
San > Welmu
JJajki > MC
San > MMA
JJajki > San
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We might have a foreigner at the GSL Global Tournament if all goes according to plan.
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Vortix will smash Jjakji, won't even be close, Snute will very likely beat MMA. PvP, don't know, don't care.
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On March 29 2014 07:05 Pyloss wrote:
If everythings turns out as i think it will, San is gonna take it in the finals vs Vortix.
Will be sick without a doubt!
That's my guess too.
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Foreigners have a very good chance, I think Snute can take this.
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OH yeah I like this. I really hate matches with Protoss so it's great to have 2 TvZs while the Protosses knock out each other. :D
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Really good draws for the foreigners. Vortix and Snute played really well in ZvT in the ro16 and Welmu has always been a beast in PvP!
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Vortix beat Jjakji AND Stardust fairly recently, and has a pretty good record against Stardust overall, not to mention his ZvT being pretty unstoppable. So I can easily see him blasting through to claim a spot in the Global Tournament.
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Wow Snute and vortix must be fairly happy with their draws given how they've been playing vs Terran lately. Predicting stardust jjakji Snute and San to advance
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Somehow I think MMA will get serious now and win this season easily.
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If welmu can make it past whoever wins from snute/mma, he will beat stardust in the finals
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San to win it all. Manliest active progamer.
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MC 3 - 1 Stardust
JJakji 3-2 Vortix
MMA 3-1 Snute
San 3-0 Welmu
MC 3-1 JJakji
San 3-2 MMA
MC 4-2 San
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I'm really sad to see that Nerchio didn't make it through 
Stardust > MC
Jjakji > Vortix
MMA > Snute
San > Welmu
Jjakji > Stardust
MMA > San
MMA > Jjakji
How I think it will go
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Is it me, or do have the drawings for the whole EU WCS look a little fixed so as to improve the odds of having a variety of races throughout the competition?
In the RO32, there isnt a single group with 2 terrans. Since terran is the least represented race in the RO32, then spreading them out one per group prevents TvT which could force a terran out therefore increasiong the chances of Terrans getting through.
Also in the RO32, there isnt a single group with 3 Zerg, this benefits zerg as fewer ZvZ means Z is less likely to be forced out.
There are no groups with 3 Protoss as this would guarantee a protoss getting through, and since they are the most represented race they already have good odds of representation in the RO16.
The RO16 has two groups where there were 3 toss in them, this forces at least two protoss out. Thus preventing the RO8 from having more Protoss. Also, the zerg are spread out one in each group, thus preventing ZvZ.
Then in the Quaterfinals there are two matchups where it is Protoss vs Protoss.. thus forcing 2 Protoss out, making it impossible for the semifinals to be all Protoss.
It just feels to me like the groups have been set up so that each stage has a larger variety of races.
Thats not to say they've decided on who plays who; they could choose the race for each spot in each group and then filled those spots randomly
It could just be totally random, if i could be bothered I'd do some maths.
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Snute is the best foreigner these days (or maby one of the Chinese players) I hope he can win it...
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Pretty sure that StarDust will take this no problems.
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On March 29 2014 09:07 Rye. wrote:
Is it me, or do have the drawings for the whole EU WCS look a little fixed so as to improve the odds of having a variety of races throughout the competition?
In the RO32, there isnt a single group with 2 terrans. Since terran is the least represented race in the RO32, then spreading them out one per group prevents TvT which could force a terran out therefore increasiong the chances of Terrans getting through.
Also in the RO32, there isnt a single group with 3 Zerg, this benefits zerg as fewer ZvZ means Z is less likely to be forced out.
There are no groups with 3 Protoss as this would guarantee a protoss getting through, and since they are the most represented race they already have good odds of representation in the RO16.
The RO16 has two groups where there were 3 toss in them, this forces at least two protoss out. Thus preventing the RO8 from having more Protoss. Also, the zerg are spread out one in each group, thus preventing ZvZ.
Then in the Quaterfinals there are two matchups where it is Protoss vs Protoss.. thus forcing 2 Protoss out, making it impossible for the semifinals to be all Protoss.
It just feels to me like the groups have been set up so that each stage has a larger variety of races.
Thats not to say they've decided on who plays who; they could choose the race for each spot in each group and then filled those spots randomly
It could just be totally random, if i could be bothered I'd do some maths.
You kind of only focus on the "forcing out" and they DID do a live drawing for Ro16 and Ro8. But anyway, this could be flipped on its head and say "They are making SURE there are two protoss in the Semifinals by having two PvPs" Because if there was one toss in each match, a no-toss semifinals could have happened, same with the 3/4 zerg groups.
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Snute tweeting that if he can just get past MMA it's just cash-hosts to the championship haha :D he seems pretty happy with his draw
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I'm very convinced of Stardust - San finals.
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Pretty balanced bracket. Would've like 1 less PvP though
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On March 29 2014 09:31 Soke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 09:07 Rye. wrote:
Is it me, or do have the drawings for the whole EU WCS look a little fixed so as to improve the odds of having a variety of races throughout the competition?
In the RO32, there isnt a single group with 2 terrans. Since terran is the least represented race in the RO32, then spreading them out one per group prevents TvT which could force a terran out therefore increasiong the chances of Terrans getting through.
Also in the RO32, there isnt a single group with 3 Zerg, this benefits zerg as fewer ZvZ means Z is less likely to be forced out.
There are no groups with 3 Protoss as this would guarantee a protoss getting through, and since they are the most represented race they already have good odds of representation in the RO16.
The RO16 has two groups where there were 3 toss in them, this forces at least two protoss out. Thus preventing the RO8 from having more Protoss. Also, the zerg are spread out one in each group, thus preventing ZvZ.
Then in the Quaterfinals there are two matchups where it is Protoss vs Protoss.. thus forcing 2 Protoss out, making it impossible for the semifinals to be all Protoss.
It just feels to me like the groups have been set up so that each stage has a larger variety of races.
Thats not to say they've decided on who plays who; they could choose the race for each spot in each group and then filled those spots randomly
It could just be totally random, if i could be bothered I'd do some maths.
You kind of only focus on the "forcing out" and they DID do a live drawing for Ro16 and Ro8. But anyway, this could be flipped on its head and say "They are making SURE there are two protoss in the Semifinals by having two PvPs" Because if there was one toss in each match, a no-toss semifinals could have happened, same with the 3/4 zerg groups.
My point was that the probability of diversity was increased.
By making sure there are 2 guaranteed protosses, they increase the probability of diversity by preventing 4 protoss going through or no protoss going through.
But i cant really argue with the whole live drawing thing.. you got me there.
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I think a lot will come down to Welmu vs San and MC vs Stardust, but I'm predicting a San/Stardust final or San/Vortix final
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Stardust > MC
Vortix > JJajkji
MMA > Snute
San > Welmu
Vortix > Stardus
MMA > San
MMA > Vortix
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On March 29 2014 09:07 Rye. wrote:
Is it me, or do have the drawings for the whole EU WCS look a little fixed so as to improve the odds of having a variety of races throughout the competition?
In the RO32, there isnt a single group with 2 terrans. Since terran is the least represented race in the RO32, then spreading them out one per group prevents TvT which could force a terran out therefore increasiong the chances of Terrans getting through.
Also in the RO32, there isnt a single group with 3 Zerg, this benefits zerg as fewer ZvZ means Z is less likely to be forced out.
There are no groups with 3 Protoss as this would guarantee a protoss getting through, and since they are the most represented race they already have good odds of representation in the RO16.
The RO16 has two groups where there were 3 toss in them, this forces at least two protoss out. Thus preventing the RO8 from having more Protoss. Also, the zerg are spread out one in each group, thus preventing ZvZ.
Then in the Quaterfinals there are two matchups where it is Protoss vs Protoss.. thus forcing 2 Protoss out, making it impossible for the semifinals to be all Protoss.
It just feels to me like the groups have been set up so that each stage has a larger variety of races.
Thats not to say they've decided on who plays who; they could choose the race for each spot in each group and then filled those spots randomly
It could just be totally random, if i could be bothered I'd do some maths.
ESL admin said that they have some rules. He posted it in TL. I remember few things from it. There cant be more than 1 player from his country in his group. (This ofc wasnt possible in ro16 anymore.) And groups were also decided so that there are max of 2 players of each race in group (ro32)
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Russian Federation17 Posts
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Goddamnit, why did welmu have to have the hardest oppo available. Well i still trust in him.
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Haven't there been a trend that foreigners have been able to do well at the start of tournaments only to get smashed in bracket play? I'd be so happy if they could turn that around and get a big win this time around, keep them nerves in check!
Rooting for Snute ofc 
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Go MMA ! Back to back champion!!
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VortiX is going to dismantle Jjakji. If he plays as well as he did in the Vasacast and vs MMA and MVP, he will just easily win the tournament without any problems.
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Stardust 1 - 3 MC
Vortix 3 - 1 jjakji
Snute 3 - 2 MMA
San 3 - 2 Welmu
MC 2 - 3 Vortix
Snute 2 - 3 San
Vortix - San - I don't really know xD
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I have to say that WCS EU starts at so horrible times. So late. Luckly Welmu plays at friday so I don't need to wake up early
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On March 29 2014 08:46 Soke wrote:
MC 3 - 1 Stardust
JJakji 3-2 Vortix
MMA 3-1 Snute
San 3-0 Welmu
MC 3-1 JJakji
San 3-2 MMA
MC 4-2 San
I hope so much that this is what happens
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I see MC and MMA to the finals with MC on top.
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On March 29 2014 19:17 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
I have to say that WCS EU starts at so horrible times. So late. Luckly Welmu plays at friday so I don't need to wake up early
Yea it really starts at a horrible time. If i want to watch a whole group i have to stay awake until soemthing like 12pm.
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On March 29 2014 19:37 RaiKageRyu wrote:
I see MC and MMA to the finals with MC on top.
Yes a second rematch would be great, it's so good to see guys that have been around forever still being at the top.
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Looks like Ro4: Stardust Vortix MMA San, Finals Vortix MMA and winner MMA
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MMA !
Lets go and avenge Mvp !
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Seriously? Stardust last place in the poll?
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Welmu got probably the hardest opponent possible, BUT it's PvP so it is possible. If he manages to beat San, he has a chance to go to the finals. Though the more likely scenario is VortiX vs. San in the finals. like others have said. But I have to cheer for the Finn!
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Very unfortunate for the toss players.
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Well after seeing MMA vs Snute just now in the team showmatch I dont think Snute can win a BO5 vs MMA :/
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On March 29 2014 08:46 Soke wrote:
MC 3 - 1 Stardust
JJakji 3-2 Vortix
MMA 3-1 Snute
San 3-0 Welmu
MC 3-1 JJakji
San 3-2 MMA
MC 4-2 San
Pretty accurate.. except the finals IMO 
Edit - actually not quite much - think we'll see finals between MC and MMA again.. MC would have a much better chance vs MMA than vs San though, so hope he could win that
Though must say - very surprised people voting for Vortix on 1st and Snute on 3rd place.. Would be nice if they got to ro4, or even in the finals one of them
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Vortix has great TvZ so he has good chances against Jjakji but he could have problems with protoss players.
MC can't win a PvP recently so I am afraid he is out.
MMA can take Snute out no problem when he is in top form and he also has solid chances against protoss players.
So in my opinion, either MMA or San/Stardust.
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Hope that San takes that.
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Nationalities in the NA + EU regions WCS vs Koreans, stats :
EU RO32 - 8 koreans (25%)
6 passed (3 as 1st and 3 as 2nd in grps)
tot maps koreans vs eu = 13 - 7
(about 35% are won by eu)
EU RO16 - 6 koreans (37,5%)
5 passed (2 as 1st, 3 as 2nd in grps)
tot maps koreans vs eu : 19 - 10
(about 34,5% are won by eu)
EU RO8 - 5 koreans (62,5%)
NA RO32 - 17 koreans (53%)
7 passed (6 as 1st and 1 as 2nd in grps)
tot maps koreans vs na = 24 - 15
(about 38,5% are won by na)
and if only counting the 4 from USA plus the 4 from CAN (not china, mexico etc) (25%)
1 usa + 2 can passed of those 8
tot maps koreans vs can = 7-3 and vs usa = 4-3, total = 11 - 6
(about 35% are won)
NA RO16 - 10 koreans (62,5%)
(and 1usa + 2can + 3china; usa+ca=19%)
NA RO8 - x koreans (x%)
something to compare etc by :-)
whom will be the new foreigner to step forward? Statswise they win one of three maps.
Welmu, Snute, Vortix are left in EUro8 while already in NAro16 only Puck, Neeb and Huk are left.
- with all hopes on their shoulders/behind em!
and will/can any of them be consistent in beating korean opponents, from now on and beyond?
all is possible, it´s starcraft! enjoy :-)
ps. expand into more regions maybe blizz, and let an " all regions finals" be also a qualifier into an individual "worlds" maybe?
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GO MMA
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WCS EUROPE - STATS RO8
number in ( ) is their current world rank, all stats from Aligulac :
EUROPEANS
(7) VortiX is 141–119 (54.23%) in games and 64–48 (57.14%) in matches vs Koreans
(26) Snute is 192–213 (47.41%) in games and 75–90 (45.45%) in matches vs Koreans
(43) Welmu is 110–116 (48.67%) in games and 47–44 (51.65%) in matches vs Koreans
KOREANS
(20) MC is 454–180 (71.61%) in games and 193–56 (77.51%) in matches vs foreigners
(20) MC is 483–416 (53.73%) in games and 210–170 (55.26%) in matches vs Koreans
(13) StarDust is 394–165 (70.48%) in games and 192–58 (76.80%) in matches vs foreigners
(13) StarDust is 133–101 (56.84%) in games and 54–38 (58.70%) in matches vs Koreans
(5) jjakji is 361–85 (80.94%) in games and 189–22 (89.57%) in matches vs foreigners
(5) jjakji is 423–321 (56.85%) in games and 202–136 (59.76%) in matches vs Koreans
(10) MMA is 317–113 (73.72%) in games and 167–43 (79.52%) in matches vs foreigners
(10) MMA is 416–327 (55.99%) in games and 207–150 (57.98%) in matches vs Koreans
(2) San is 282–82 (77.47%) in games and 136–27 (83.44%) in matches vs foreigners
(2) San is 391–267 (59.42%) in games and 181–116 (60.94%) in matches vs Koreans
WCS N AMERICA - STATS RO16
(123) puCK is 36–54 (40.00%) in games and 20–29 (40.82%) in matches vs Koreans
(186) neeb is 3–10 (23.08%) in games and 0–5 (0.00%) in matches vs Koreans
(88) HuK is 241–320 (42.96%) in games and 102–147 (40.96%) in matches vs Koreans
so win rates (overall) for the remaining players in EU ro8 :
korean vs foreigner 77-90% (55-61% vs koreans)
foreigner vs korean 45-57%
(na vs korean ca 40%)
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On March 29 2014 22:15 TaShadan wrote:
Very unfortunate for the toss players.
But very good for the viewers. The less chance of a PvP finals, the better.
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I thought I should throw this poll out, becaue some of the matches looks quite juicy.
Poll: Most Anticipated MatchStardust vs MC (4) 10% Vortix vs Jjakji (23) 55% Snute vs MMA (13) 31% San vs Welmu (2) 5% 42 total votes Your vote: Most Anticipated Match (Vote): Stardust vs MC
(Vote): Vortix vs Jjakji
(Vote): Snute vs MMA
(Vote): San vs Welmu
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welmu wins finals over stardust, heard it here first
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Snute destroyed again and again by MMA today in Acer vs Liquid. Can't be too good for morale.
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That is why I think the snute vs MMA match is gonna be crazy! Adds for more storyline!
Snute will get a chance for revenge, but will he succeed or will his morale be busted?
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I hope very much for a European to win WCS EU, and with recent successes, it feels more possible than last year somehow even without Naniwa and Stephano. The Problem (with a capital P) is that the local heroes now have to be at their very best when it counts the most. I hope they have it in them to bring out the very best now and also that they have just the little luck they need! Vortix vs Uncle Snute / Welmu in the final, that would really be a dream final. 
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Only if one of em are able of beating 3 good koreans in a row (and in bo5-matches I assume)
which seems very unlikely but let's keep the hope up regardless.
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I am so excited for this! MC MMA finals would be sick
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your Country52798 Posts
MC MMA finals would be pretty cool to have again actually
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I kind of like Snute's chances here...
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Welmu 2014. I want to believe.
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I think all of the foreigners will win their games with VortiX winning the gold.
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MMA's got this. MC or Vortix winning would be cool too
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On a good day I really think that Vortix has a chance against any of these players.
MMA will probably crank it up to 11 now as well.
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On March 31 2014 03:04 xxxKagexxx wrote:Remember end of Wol ? now it's end of Hots. Do you see any correlation ? Wol to Hots Zerg Hots to Lotv Toss ? Conspiracy ? omg ! are we blind ??? Yes
I...I think it's trying to communicate!
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mmm maybe you don't understand humour ? ok i censure myself another time on the xweb cause of ppl like you .
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It's ok man, don't let me cramp your style. Gotta keep it real.
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no it's better try to eliminate thing that annoy you.
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Stardust > MC
Vortix > Jjakji
MMA > Snute
San > Welmu
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On March 30 2014 22:02 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
Only if one of em are able of beating 3 good koreans in a row (and in bo5-matches I assume)
which seems very unlikely but let's keep the hope up regardless.
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Very interesting brackets. Would have loved to have seen 2 foreign toss' instead of 3 Korean and 1 foreign, but 2 foreign Zergs vs 2 Korean Terrans, then 2 PvP's to greet them in the semis? Awesome socks!
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Bisutopia19384 Posts
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San ezpz.
Just like last year's MVP protoss that won, he is going to take over.
Vortix is going to get the furthest because everyone seems to be losing TvZ in EU.
Just don't see him beating out either MC or Stardust in PvZ though.
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What the fuck, all those Vortix votes . GOGO HYPE
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On April 01 2014 00:22 kevlarkent wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 22:02 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
Only if one of em are able of beating 3 good koreans in a row (and in bo5-matches I assume)
which seems very unlikely but let's keep the hope up regardless.
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well it's 3 matches for the win,
(and yes it can become just 2 matches vs koreans if both Snute and Welmu wins...)
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On April 01 2014 05:59 ArtistenSc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 00:22 kevlarkent wrote:On March 30 2014 22:02 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
Only if one of em are able of beating 3 good koreans in a row (and in bo5-matches I assume)
which seems very unlikely but let's keep the hope up regardless.
2 well it's 3 matches for the win, (and yes it can become just 2 matches vs koreans if both Snute and Welmu wins...)
2 bo5
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On April 01 2014 06:40 kevlarkent wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 05:59 ArtistenSc2 wrote:On April 01 2014 00:22 kevlarkent wrote:On March 30 2014 22:02 ArtistenSc2 wrote:
Only if one of em are able of beating 3 good koreans in a row (and in bo5-matches I assume)
which seems very unlikely but let's keep the hope up regardless.
2 well it's 3 matches for the win, (and yes it can become just 2 matches vs koreans if both Snute and Welmu wins...) 2 bo5
is the final bo7 or what do u mean?
since :
1. quarter finals (ro8)
2. semi finals (ro4)
3. final (ro2)
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Think everyone can beat everyone, but San is more imppresive than the rest + Protoss. So he'll win.
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Why are so many ppl voting for Shmortix? He is good, but I do not think he has bigger chances than Snute or MMA or everyone else.
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On April 04 2014 02:58 Quixotic_tv wrote:
Why are so many ppl voting for Shmortix? He is good, but I do not think he has bigger chances than Snute or MMA or everyone else.
1: Great shape
2: Foreigner
3: Not protoss
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Russian Federation367 Posts
I hope jjakji wins this WCS, but this will MMA or MC most likely
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Really hope for Vortix or Snute to take this! I even think they have a decent chance
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On March 30 2014 05:51 ArtistenSc2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +WCS EUROPE - STATS RO8
number in ( ) is their current world rank, all stats from Aligulac :
EUROPEANS
(7) VortiX is 141–119 (54.23%) in games and 64–48 (57.14%) in matches vs Koreans
(26) Snute is 192–213 (47.41%) in games and 75–90 (45.45%) in matches vs Koreans
(43) Welmu is 110–116 (48.67%) in games and 47–44 (51.65%) in matches vs Koreans
KOREANS
(20) MC is 454–180 (71.61%) in games and 193–56 (77.51%) in matches vs foreigners
(20) MC is 483–416 (53.73%) in games and 210–170 (55.26%) in matches vs Koreans
(13) StarDust is 394–165 (70.48%) in games and 192–58 (76.80%) in matches vs foreigners
(13) StarDust is 133–101 (56.84%) in games and 54–38 (58.70%) in matches vs Koreans
(5) jjakji is 361–85 (80.94%) in games and 189–22 (89.57%) in matches vs foreigners
(5) jjakji is 423–321 (56.85%) in games and 202–136 (59.76%) in matches vs Koreans
(10) MMA is 317–113 (73.72%) in games and 167–43 (79.52%) in matches vs foreigners
(10) MMA is 416–327 (55.99%) in games and 207–150 (57.98%) in matches vs Koreans
(2) San is 282–82 (77.47%) in games and 136–27 (83.44%) in matches vs foreigners
(2) San is 391–267 (59.42%) in games and 181–116 (60.94%) in matches vs Koreans
WCS N AMERICA - STATS RO16
(123) puCK is 36–54 (40.00%) in games and 20–29 (40.82%) in matches vs Koreans
(186) neeb is 3–10 (23.08%) in games and 0–5 (0.00%) in matches vs Koreans
(88) HuK is 241–320 (42.96%) in games and 102–147 (40.96%) in matches vs Koreans
so win rates (overall) for the remaining players in EU ro8 :
korean vs foreigner 77-90% (55-61% vs koreans)
foreigner vs korean 45-57%
(na vs korean ca 40%)
Thanks!
The interesting part for me is that Snute (ranked 26) already beat Jjakji (ranked 5) and is now playing MMA (ranked 10). With the recent results in mind, it looks like Snute should have a good chance against MMA.
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On March 31 2014 15:21 xLikeMikex wrote:
Stardust > MC
Vortix > Jjakji
MMA > Snute
San > Welmu
That prediction is so band-waggy
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