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Sunfish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria162 Posts
March 17 2014 03:18 GMT
#101
I feel like I've been part of a strange piece of performance art for the last few months.
retired from goodgame agency and now freelancing fucking everywhere -- come follow me at @william_partin
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 17 2014 03:18 GMT
#102
On March 17 2014 12:15 lichter wrote:
Sheesh guys

Guilty until proven innocent

fixed. TL's new standard lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Tamagoshi
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil981 Posts
March 17 2014 03:20 GMT
#103
Good luck to the owner!

But I wonder what was the goal of the team? They did not make much content, streaming and did not participate in teamleagues or sent players overseas. Maybe they just want to support some players
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 03:21:44
March 17 2014 03:20 GMT
#104
On March 17 2014 12:15 lichter wrote:
Sheesh guys

Innocent until proven guilty

One guy just asked why everyone is being so skeptical of someone who says they are dying and I explained that this has happened before. Then the comment came out that all the players have been paid, so it looks like everything is on the up and up. I didn't say he did anything, but was only explaining why people take it all with a grain of salt.

And some people are heartless jerks, but this is the internet...
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
March 17 2014 03:21 GMT
#105
On March 17 2014 10:53 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2013 12:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Welcome to the "If you fuck over Genius you will be burned at the stake" club.


They had been warned.

seeing the title, that post is what immediately jumped to my mind as well
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3823 Posts
March 17 2014 03:26 GMT
#106
Ah.... I....

Never mind. Just: lol.
muHb
Profile Joined August 2010
United States75 Posts
March 17 2014 03:28 GMT
#107
yikes hope everything goes well..!
May the optimism of tomorrow be your foundation for today.
NMxSardines
Profile Joined February 2012
77 Posts
March 17 2014 03:50 GMT
#108
I'm sorry, this is just too hard to believe. Considering what I know about the team, and other such teams preceding it, the story seems bogus.
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
March 17 2014 03:53 GMT
#109
On March 17 2014 11:58 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 11:45 SpunXtain20 wrote:
Some really tactless and honestly embaressing posts here... Unless you have evidence otherwise, assume it is true and wish him the best. Just because another guy was an asshole doesn't mean this guy is. If he really is faking to get out of paying people, then yes that is horrible. But assume the best in him.

Best wishes and thanks for what you gave to the community.

Actually you usually assume things are false unless evidence shows them to be true, unless you know the person well or whatever, like a friend or family member. Given the HTOMario issue I believe everyone's skepticism is warranted. "Best wishes" won't do his heart much good anyways.


Lol what? If we are going by the standard of law, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around. Obviously people are getting paid. We honestly don't even know the full story about the whole HTOMario thing anyways just some post on reddit, so taking that as 100% fact is ridiculous anyway. This guy was literally paying these players out of pocket, and now he's dying. Have some fucking decency for once.

This is awful and I hope Pascal can come to peace with whatever he has left to do in life. If there's a chance to recover I hope that happens, but just don't have any regrets man. <3
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
March 17 2014 04:00 GMT
#110
this is kinda ridiculous on both sides

i think it's unnecessary to come out with accusations (since it's perfectly possible that the illness thing is true), but at the same time i understand the mindset of people who feel confident it's a lie and think they're doing justice by calling out a liar

at the same time, the OP/people defending him should realize that there is a valid precedent for being suspicious, whether that fact is indeed the owner's fault or not. it's an overreaction to just say "oh, people are being heartless dicks on the internet again"

can't both sides just be a little more chill and reasonable?
ILOVEWAR
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands104 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 04:07:25
March 17 2014 04:06 GMT
#111
To all people whom doesn't care about his illness...
Go f*cking burn in hell,

second... if the CEO is truly sick, everyone should be gather up and show some kindness towards him. Not only a ceo or a sc2 player. Nobody except al the haters deserves a disease.

Also we all don't know if this is true. If its true... the last thing on your mind is paying your employees or what so ever. Friends and family comes first you stupid dumbf*cks.

Lets say this is true.. all the players should consider reject their pay and give to the ceo try to recover from it.
If its not true... all the players should turn this guy into the biggest black sheep and get a perma ban on all tournaments.

And guys the players see this as their job... otherwise they would do something else. So support the players and the people are paying them.

The mods should teach the dumbf*cks some manners, health and life is a billions times more important than a game.
and yes even Idra or Naniwa doesn't deserve cancer.. even how much you hate them.
If you dont like war, go play tetris...
artosismermaid
Profile Joined May 2011
213 Posts
March 17 2014 04:09 GMT
#112
what is the CEO a geriatric?
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
March 17 2014 04:13 GMT
#113
On March 17 2014 12:53 ArTiFaKs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 11:58 knOxStarcraft wrote:
On March 17 2014 11:45 SpunXtain20 wrote:
Some really tactless and honestly embaressing posts here... Unless you have evidence otherwise, assume it is true and wish him the best. Just because another guy was an asshole doesn't mean this guy is. If he really is faking to get out of paying people, then yes that is horrible. But assume the best in him.

Best wishes and thanks for what you gave to the community.

Actually you usually assume things are false unless evidence shows them to be true, unless you know the person well or whatever, like a friend or family member. Given the HTOMario issue I believe everyone's skepticism is warranted. "Best wishes" won't do his heart much good anyways.


Lol what? If we are going by the standard of law, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around. Obviously people are getting paid. We honestly don't even know the full story about the whole HTOMario thing anyways just some post on reddit, so taking that as 100% fact is ridiculous anyway. This guy was literally paying these players out of pocket, and now he's dying. Have some fucking decency for once.

This is awful and I hope Pascal can come to peace with whatever he has left to do in life. If there's a chance to recover I hope that happens, but just don't have any regrets man. <3

This isn't law, it's some guy on the internet telling us he's dying. Why should I or anyone just believe he is? I'm not saying he
isn't, I'm not taking the HTOMario thing as fact, and who actually knows if he was paying the players out of his pocket? Does anyone? When I said false until proven true I was talking generally about someone making a claim, that they should provide evidence to support the claim, which should apply here if this claim is to be 100% believable. Of course he won't provide evidence, and neither would I, but I wouldn't expect everyone to believe it in this sort of situation. So believe what you like, but people who are skeptical aren't being heartless.
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
March 17 2014 04:16 GMT
#114
On March 17 2014 13:06 ILOVEWAR wrote:
To all people whom doesn't care about his illness...
Go f*cking burn in hell,

second... if the CEO is truly sick, everyone should be gather up and show some kindness towards him. Not only a ceo or a sc2 player. Nobody except al the haters deserves a disease.

Also we all don't know if this is true. If its true... the last thing on your mind is paying your employees or what so ever. Friends and family comes first you stupid dumbf*cks.

Lets say this is true.. all the players should consider reject their pay and give to the ceo try to recover from it.
If its not true... all the players should turn this guy into the biggest black sheep and get a perma ban on all tournaments.

And guys the players see this as their job... otherwise they would do something else. So support the players and the people are paying them.

The mods should teach the dumbf*cks some manners, health and life is a billions times more important than a game.
and yes even Idra or Naniwa doesn't deserve cancer.. even how much you hate them.

I gather hell is a nasty place, isn't telling someone to burn in hell being a "hater"? lol
Zanzabarr
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada217 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 04:22:45
March 17 2014 04:17 GMT
#115
On March 17 2014 12:53 ArTiFaKs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 11:58 knOxStarcraft wrote:
On March 17 2014 11:45 SpunXtain20 wrote:
Some really tactless and honestly embaressing posts here... Unless you have evidence otherwise, assume it is true and wish him the best. Just because another guy was an asshole doesn't mean this guy is. If he really is faking to get out of paying people, then yes that is horrible. But assume the best in him.

Best wishes and thanks for what you gave to the community.

Actually you usually assume things are false unless evidence shows them to be true, unless you know the person well or whatever, like a friend or family member. Given the HTOMario issue I believe everyone's skepticism is warranted. "Best wishes" won't do his heart much good anyways.


Lol what? If we are going by the standard of law, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around. Obviously people are getting paid. We honestly don't even know the full story about the whole HTOMario thing anyways just some post on reddit, so taking that as 100% fact is ridiculous anyway. This guy was literally paying these players out of pocket, and now he's dying. Have some fucking decency for once.

This is awful and I hope Pascal can come to peace with whatever he has left to do in life. If there's a chance to recover I hope that happens, but just don't have any regrets man. <3


In the standard of law, yes, innocent until proven guilty. But this isn't a court room, and I'm sure he wasn't referring to a lawsuit. His example was in the realm of Science/logic. A claim must be supported with evidence until it can be given any merit. As such, that means that claims without evidence might as well be taken as being false. A true scientist is a master of skepticism. On one hand, you have the evidence of one person's voice, and on the other, you have the "convenient" timing of the illness as well as past incidences of a similar series of events that turned out to be a sham. The given evidence is insufficient to form a conclusion at this point, so you can't say that this is a lie, but you also have a decently strong reason to not assume it to be true. One can only wait.
stefantheterran
Profile Joined December 2013
Austria61 Posts
March 17 2014 04:28 GMT
#116
Hmmm, more information would be nice before judgement in any direction...
WetSocks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States953 Posts
March 17 2014 04:33 GMT
#117
Genius really shouldn't have left MVP
dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6192 Posts
March 17 2014 04:36 GMT
#118
oh man :/
<3
WillS
Profile Joined September 2011
61 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-17 04:39:45
March 17 2014 04:37 GMT
#119
On March 17 2014 13:17 Zanzabarr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2014 12:53 ArTiFaKs wrote:
On March 17 2014 11:58 knOxStarcraft wrote:
On March 17 2014 11:45 SpunXtain20 wrote:
Some really tactless and honestly embaressing posts here... Unless you have evidence otherwise, assume it is true and wish him the best. Just because another guy was an asshole doesn't mean this guy is. If he really is faking to get out of paying people, then yes that is horrible. But assume the best in him.

Best wishes and thanks for what you gave to the community.

Actually you usually assume things are false unless evidence shows them to be true, unless you know the person well or whatever, like a friend or family member. Given the HTOMario issue I believe everyone's skepticism is warranted. "Best wishes" won't do his heart much good anyways.


Lol what? If we are going by the standard of law, you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around. Obviously people are getting paid. We honestly don't even know the full story about the whole HTOMario thing anyways just some post on reddit, so taking that as 100% fact is ridiculous anyway. This guy was literally paying these players out of pocket, and now he's dying. Have some fucking decency for once.

This is awful and I hope Pascal can come to peace with whatever he has left to do in life. If there's a chance to recover I hope that happens, but just don't have any regrets man. <3


In the standard of law, yes, innocent until proven guilty. But this isn't a court room, and I'm sure he wasn't referring to a lawsuit. His example was in the realm of Science/logic. A claim must be supported with evidence until it can be given any merit. As such, that means that claims without evidence might as well be taken as being false. A true scientist is a master of skepticism. On one hand, you have the evidence of one person's voice, and on the other, you have the "convenient" timing of the illness as well as past incidences of a similar series of events that turned out to be a sham. The given evidence is insufficient to form a conclusion at this point, so you can't say that this is a lie, but you also have a decently strong reason to not assume it to be true. One can only wait.


The conclusion you've made isn't actually completely true. Generally a theory is devised and then practitioners go about proving or disproving the hypothesis. This actually means that it's possible for a theory to be accepted, used and developed before the actual proof is confirmed. If the conclusions from an experiment don't match expectations then it's at that point that the theory is either adjusted or disregarded. The Higgs Boson experiment is an example of this.

What actually leads people down one direction (either approving or disproving) is the amount of information/investment (financial/political/rational/emotional) that provides a context in which said theory can become viable.

All you can actually surmise is that people don't know enough about the man with the illness to have an informed opinion on the whole. At this point would you rather be negative or positive? Either are valid until or if we ever know anything more about him, LYGF and the players relationship with him and how they are feeling.

I wish him, his family and the players all the best.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 17 2014 04:46 GMT
#120
such a toxic community, lol.
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