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WCS Europe Premier Ro32 Groups Announced
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The Ro32 groups for WCS Europe's first Premier League have been revealed. WCS Europe Premier League will kick off on February 18th. You can find more information Liquipedia!
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Waxangel
United States33330 Posts
Poll: Group of Death? Group A (256) Group F (254) Group C (70) Group G (52) Group E (22) Group H (22) Group B (21) Group D (15) 712 total votes Your vote: Group of Death? (Vote): Group A | ||
digmouse
China6329 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
Snute vs. Hasuobs, Hasuobs vs. Firecake........ nope. Good thing Hasuobs started to all-in Zergs because he cant be bothered with SH. Also why is there a Terran in every group again? You cant tell me that this was a completely random draw. | ||
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Kyselin
France35 Posts
Group G is gonna end as Group H begins. | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
Sniper Wax Hahahaha You'll get it next time <3 Group C defly the group of Death.... anythign with ForGG in it you have to be scared of  | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
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Pino
1032 Posts
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goodCat14
44 Posts
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1678 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:11 Kyselin wrote: HasuOBS Firecake. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Group G is gonna end as Group H begins. atleast its not mana | ||
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tili
United States1332 Posts
TLO TLO TLO | ||
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KTP_TV
France42 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:11 NovaMB wrote: Also why is there a Terran in every group again? You cant tell me that this was a completely random draw. If it's a random draw, that's pretty awesome :D | ||
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goodCat14
44 Posts
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oo_Wonderful_oo
The land of freedom23126 Posts
Jjakji will advance from sure from group B, i guess Nerchio has biggest change to be second but if LZ advances - no big deal. Group C will be such fun, if BBK beats ForGG in first match...ah nah, ForGG and Vortix. San and someone else from D, i guess Targa has little less chance than Miniraiser or Dayshi but still do want dat big Norge in Cologne :D Stardust is pretty safe choice in group E, especially because he has his favourite PvP first, Bly and Happy will coinflip, slight edge for Bly probably, dude is improving hugely and Happy pretty much failed at ASUS ROG. Group F is funny group. Let's say, if Grubby wins against TLO, Genius will advance as first and Grubby as second. If TLO wins, then Grubby can coinflip with Genius for 2nd spot, behind TLO's first. Group G AHHAAHAH. Firecake, Snute and Hasuobs in one day? I will probably sleep this day, sorry guys. Mvp is still safe choice, especially if Snute wins against Hasuobs, Snute will advance though as well. MMA is nice pick in Group H (suddenly lol), if Welmu wins against Starbuck, then MMA will be second behind Welmu probably i feel. But still. If Welmu loses though against MMA in winners, Starbuck can advance. Only stuff from Welmu which i've seen lately and before - or he's advancing with 2-0, or he's winning first and losing next 2. (except S2Finals ofc) | ||
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Maegi
Finland174 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:16 Fusilero wrote: Hasuobs vs firecake/snute nope nope nope Hasuobs is using proxy gates, soul train, cannon rushes in nearly every game vs. Zerg nowadays. Even he cant be bothered with that style anymore. | ||
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aeligos
United States172 Posts
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
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ThePlagueJG
Sweden1010 Posts
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
What a coincidence. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Pino
1032 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:21 NovaMB wrote: Wait, you cant tell me that 8 Koreans are perfectly split up across the groups in the same way Terran is? What a coincidence. Since most of them were seeded thanks to last season ro8, i guess chances were higher to have them perfectly split. By the way, it would not be shocking at all to see quite a few of them eliminated, or at least not advance in first place. Foreigners seems to be on the rise (at least a little). | ||
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mnck
Denmark1518 Posts
Surprised to see exactly one terran in each group :D There's still hope for the poor terrans. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Trius
Ukraine273 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:27 Pino wrote: By the way, it would not be shocking at all to see quite a few of them eliminated, or at least not advance in first place. Foreigners seems to be on the rise (at least a little). I can easily see Genius or Mvp eliminated Maybe even San due to lag. | ||
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Dingodile
4133 Posts
always in strongest or weakest group, never inbetween. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:21 NovaMB wrote: Wait, you cant tell me that 8 Koreans are perfectly split up across the groups in the same way Terran is? What a coincidence. Yeah, no conspiracy here. None at all! I mean, what are the odds of that actually happening? | ||
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Holloworb
Norway345 Posts
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DrBeansy
England85 Posts
is this good luck, or do they draw groups so that each group has all races (if possible)? | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
If he plays Firecake, well RIP Mvp | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:16 Maegi wrote: LOL you can't call any of these group of death. Really lloking forward to Naniwa, Mvp, MMA, and jjakji playing Ofc, if you could then whoever set the groups did a really poor job. | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:30 BaneRiders wrote: Yeah, no conspiracy here. None at all! surprised nerchio and stardust arent in the same group | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:34 Lorning wrote: Mvp plays mech in TvZ If he plays Firecake, well RIP Mvp Fairly sure Mvp's mech easily beats Firecake. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:34 Lorning wrote: Mvp plays mech in TvZ If he plays Firecake, well RIP Mvp More like RIP Firecake, an in form Mvp can kill you with mech in 10 different ways, harass oriented mech, timing push oriented, or just long drawn out games. Don't forget Mvp 4-0ed Curious at the last WCG, Curious vs T is beastly, and with all due respect to Firecake, he is no where near the level of Curious or any Korean zerg practice partner of Mvp for that matter. However if the sick Mvp shows up... | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:37 Ej_ wrote: surprised nerchio and stardust arent in the same group They* probably were a bit stressed, looked at the team tag, screwed up and put Jjakji instead of Stardust in Nerchio's group.  *They as in them, you know. It is always "they". | ||
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:41 BaneRiders wrote: They* probably were a bit stressed, looked at the team tag, screwed up and put Jjakji instead of Stardust in Nerchio's group. *They as in them, you know. It is always "they". That being said, whoever drew the groups did a fantastic job. The mirror matches are minimized, the groups feel well balanced, absolutely everyone has a chance to make it! Let the game begin! | ||
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Aeromi
France14456 Posts
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On February 12 2014 02:49 Otolia wrote: WTF is group C. Worst possible group that could happen in my opinion. I want to see BBK, ForGG and Lilbow advancing :'( So, which one of those three do you see advancing alongside Vortix? :> | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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iaretehnoob
Sweden741 Posts
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
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Enstein
Russian Federation134 Posts
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huller20
United States112 Posts
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zerotol
Belgium508 Posts
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KingMel
France120 Posts
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
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Magnifico
1958 Posts
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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XtreMe_au
Australia412 Posts
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Rhaeide
Spain304 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
just sad we get 0 tvt action for now | ||
TheFlexN
Israel472 Posts
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
Step 2: take the best 8 foreigners and put them into the groups. dont double up races. Step 3: add a player that is left and has the the missing race Step 4: HERE COMES THE RANDOM PART GUYS. no idea if this is true, but i dont mind anyway, since the groups look awesome as always  | ||
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UnpressedWaffle
Canada74 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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ppp
174 Posts
On February 12 2014 03:28 KalWarkov wrote: Step 1: Put all koreans in different groups Step 2: take the best 8 foreigners and put them into the groups. dont double up races. Step 3: add a player that is left and has the the missing race Step 4: HERE COMES THE RANDOM PART GUYS. no idea if this is true, but i dont mind anyway, since the groups look awesome as always Seems like you're quite right. But at least we didn't have same challenger as AM with Bomber vs Jim (best vs best -asian vs asian- to get locals in their region) | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
max 2 p at group no nationkills love it ! On February 12 2014 03:35 ppp wrote: Seems like you're quite right. But at least we didn't have same challenger as AM with Bomber vs Jim (best vs best -asian vs asian- to get locals in their region) they already said how they make groups 1. is races, (so you not have a pppp group) 2. nations so its perfect sry i love it ! | ||
Ragnarork
France9034 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
Group F is pretty close overall, group of fan favorites. Firecake, Mvp, Hasuobs, Snute in one group = better dig in, it'll probably be a long one. Anyways: MC/Naniwa Jjakji/Nerchio ForGG/Babyknight San/Dayshi Stardust/Happy TLO/Grubby Mvp/Snute MMA/Welmu | ||
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HighArT
Croatia189 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
and Genius will most likely make it out of it : ((I hope Bly and Happy will win Group E, I can´t watch Stardust anymore... Hasu, TLO and Happy fighting! | ||
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Vodanz
United Kingdom6 Posts
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Juicy Orange
Canada133 Posts
I can't wait for naniwa to get rekt... hopefully. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12142 Posts
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
Him vs Hasuobs = 3 hour game. Him vs mvp = dead in under 20 minutes | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
Him vs Hasuobs = 3 hour game. Him vs mvp = dead in under 20 minutes. | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
On February 12 2014 03:51 Ragnarork wrote: What the fuck, I missed something big here. Hasu is all-ining ? I should follow that scene a bit more Yep, but only against Zerg usually (and jjakji). Cant blame him tbh. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On February 12 2014 04:29 Larkin wrote: Firecake's group haha. Him vs Hasuobs = 3 hour game. Him vs mvp = dead in under 20 minutes yep, pretty sure that will happen^^ On February 12 2014 04:29 Larkin wrote: Firecake's group haha. Him vs Hasuobs = 3 hour game. Him vs mvp = dead in under 20 minutes. omg no man, firecake is god | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
also i will almost certainly watch Group G and i will almost certainly be dead tired at work the next day. imagine this shit. Snutehosts, Firecakehosts, Hasuturtle and Mvpmech. holy crap. | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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ArTiFaKs
United States1229 Posts
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monsta
172 Posts
i like the idea of the wcs 2014 system but we need [/b]just a little bit[/b] of improvement! but i have to say that wcsEu is by the best region for the viewers | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
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c0olL
129 Posts
On February 12 2014 05:32 monsta wrote: i think that's the reason why code s has no terrans to offer.. all korean terrans are in wcs EU or AM (mostly AM i guess) i think that the reason is more like because ByuN, TurN, Bunny, TY, Center, FanTaSy, KeeN, Reality, SuperNova, INnoVation, Flash, Hack, GuMiho, Dream, Cure, BrAvO, Ryung and other Terrans couldn't make it | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
On February 12 2014 05:35 DavoS wrote: Don't get why Group A is getting votes for group of death, I think it's a pretty clear that Nani and MC are gonna advance Group of death is not about it being close. It's about it being hard. The avr level of the players. And in this group it is clearly higher than any other. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On February 12 2014 05:54 c0olL wrote: i think that the reason is more like because ByuN, TurN, Bunny, TY, Center, FanTaSy, KeeN, Reality, SuperNova, INnoVation, Flash, Hack, GuMiho, Dream, Cure, BrAvO, Ryung and other Terrans couldn't make it Well Supernova did make it he just lost in the ro32. | ||
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Tobblish
Sweden6404 Posts
On February 12 2014 05:55 Mozdk wrote: Group of death is not about it being close. It's about it being hard. The avr level of the players. And in this group it is clearly higher than any other. No it's not about the average level of play but about top rated players/teams getting knocked out. If 3strong players are in the same group and only 2 advance it can be called group of death. If 2strong players are in the same group and only 2 advance it can NOT be called the group of death. | ||
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kochanfe
Micronesia1338 Posts
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MrProdigious
36 Posts
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HeadlessWonder
United States1096 Posts
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tns
1054 Posts
edit : not even a same nation player on the same group :o *o* amazing | ||
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ArtistenSc2
Sweden53 Posts
I like the nation but maybe they should have defined it to be max 2 of same nation in a grp, as well as max 2 of any race in a grp... (and maybe as a 3rd rule trying to avoid having teammates in same grp, if poss.) | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
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c0olL
129 Posts
On February 12 2014 05:56 Darkhoarse wrote: Well Supernova did make it he just lost in the ro32. i meant couldn't make it to ro16 | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
Firecake vs Mvp should be funny. Predictions for prosperity : MC/NaNiwa Jjakji/Nerchio ForGG/Lilbow San/Dayshi Stardust/Bly Genius/TLO Mvp/Snute MMA/Nightend | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
I'd even venture as far as saying that San is Jjakji's equal, at least with the current toss-favored game balance. | ||
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On February 12 2014 08:52 neptunusfisk wrote: MMA and jjakji will possibly make it out in second place of their groups. It will be close though. Is this like sick stealth balance whine or what? | ||
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AnonymousSC2
United States189 Posts
The two most popular (A and F) don't qualify because in A slivko and bunny are considerably weaker and not really terrifying players and F because honestly TLO, Grubby, and Kas are not contenders in my mind. They are strong, but I think Genius looks at his group with a smile. | ||
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c0olL
129 Posts
Group of death is something like Parting life inno flash, or at least 3 top players. nice and balanced groups btw, the one who picked them did a good job | ||
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VArsovskiSC
Macedonia563 Posts
Despite MC and Genius being favorites in them respectively - don't forget that they both have to prepare for all the 3 matchups.. Which may not be as much the case for some others.. OFC - they should advance, like - if not 1st, then like surely 2nd, but nothing is "set in stone".. Last season Grubby and HasuObs advanced over MVP for example.. One thing is really certain though - deffinitely worth watching, a lot of GGs incomming | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
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pmp10
3312 Posts
We have to the point when groups are race fixed and nobody cares. | ||
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ETisME
12369 Posts
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winthrop
Hong Kong956 Posts
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On February 12 2014 11:22 c0olL wrote: you should add "there is no Group of death" option to the poll. Group of death is something like Parting life inno flash, or at least 3 top players. nice and balanced groups btw, the one who picked them did a good job well that group WAS 3 top players and Flash | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2602 Posts
On February 12 2014 15:01 Schelim wrote: well that group WAS 3 top players and Flash You just painted a huge bullseye on your back. 'Watch your back' -- Valeera | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
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goldsafe21
United States1 Post
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SpearlineFr
France1 Post
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Glorfindel!
Sweden1815 Posts
On February 12 2014 08:52 neptunusfisk wrote: MMA and jjakji will possibly make it out in second place of their groups. It will be close though. Jjakji will destroy that group O.o | ||
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Tchado
Jordan1831 Posts
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Nerchio
Poland2633 Posts
lol please | ||
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klup
France612 Posts
TvT no more ! No more TvT ! Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn ! Also group G group of death for viewers ! Hope Mvp will show amazing games or theses guys might kill us all with SH. | ||
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FluoCrazyKenny
France90 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
On February 12 2014 18:10 FluoCrazyKenny wrote: hum ? Why do they play on Saturday, February 22nd and Saturday, March 1st ? I though that Blizzard said that they didn't want to overlap WCS and other tournaments on week-ends ? There is no tournament on those weekends. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
That's the spirit, King Arthur! | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
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TheSilenceSC2
United Kingdom1 Post
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On February 12 2014 20:24 DJHelium wrote: I asked Kennigit about the groups on twitter, he said they were "randomized but adjusted based on player schedule group balance". I'm not sure what this means, would love if someone explained it to me! https://twitter.com/Kennigit/status/433445925277560832 So they were originally random, but then adjusted. That sounds kind of like not random to me. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On February 12 2014 23:45 Darkhoarse wrote: So they were originally random, but then adjusted. That sounds kind of like not random to me. Maybe the original draw gave a Mvp jjakji MMA ForGG group and they felt forced to act. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On February 12 2014 23:48 TheDwf wrote: Maybe the original draw gave a Mvp jjakji MMA ForGG group and they felt forced to act. Yeah it's true I wouldn't really want that to be a ro32 group, although how much fun would that be? | ||
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jakethesnake
Canada4948 Posts
On February 13 2014 00:07 Darkhoarse wrote: Yeah it's true I wouldn't really want that to be a ro32 group, although how much fun would that be? It would be really fun for 3 hours, but then disappointing for a few weeks. Not worth it. | ||
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
HYPE | ||
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elwood.sc2
Germany35 Posts
There's no group no death here I think and like Code S much more despite lack of terran players. | ||
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Korleone
France5 Posts
What if they had thought at the next round seeds ? | ||
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igay
Australia1178 Posts
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2197 Posts
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SpunXtain20
Australia554 Posts
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
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ScoutWBF
Germany599 Posts
On February 13 2014 18:02 DJHelium wrote: What does the players think of getting placed into groups like this? I know I would get kinda upset knowing that I might've gotten easier opponents with a random draw. If you lose in the group stages, you wouldn't have had a chance to advance in the next group stage anyway. Imo players got to deal with it and go for the gold. If one cannot even deal with a "more difficult" group, then they don't deserve to win the whole thing or get more cash from better ranks. | ||
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GreenFate
France289 Posts
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On February 13 2014 18:12 ScoutWBF wrote: If you lose in the group stages, you wouldn't have had a chance to advance in the next group stage anyway. Imo players got to deal with it and go for the gold. If one cannot even deal with a "more difficult" group, then they don't deserve to win the whole thing or get more cash from better ranks. Of course you would have. If the best 3 players are placed in a group together, one of them will not advance, where in any other group that player would've won. It's obviously not the case here, but some players do get harder groups than others. I would like more transparency from ESL's side to show the group selecting process. | ||
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SpunXtain20
Australia554 Posts
It also takes away the glamour for any foreigners who DO make the next round, because everyone will be like "well it wasn't that hard". If, for example, a foreigner came out of a group that also had MMA, MC and ForGG in it, they'd make a massive name for themself off that result and it'd be super interesting (see Sjow V Life). | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12142 Posts
On February 12 2014 20:24 DJHelium wrote: I asked Kennigit about the groups on twitter, he said they were "randomized but adjusted based on player schedule group balance". I'm not sure what this means, would love if someone explained it to me! https://twitter.com/Kennigit/status/433445925277560832 Am I the only one who read that as him trolling you like a boss? :D | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On February 13 2014 18:54 Nebuchad wrote: Am I the only one who read that as him trolling you like a boss? :D Haha might be the case, I'm very gullible! | ||
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EthanS
United States206 Posts
If the system is transparently rules-based, there can be no accusations of favoritism or conspiracy (which are possible now - who was protected? who wasn't?). It also gives the tournament organizers a much easier defense of the bracket and no second guessing. This still allows enough randomness to get some very interesting matchups early in the tournament. Notably, the Koreans are all within the top half, so no all-korean groups, and no real groups of death. | ||
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TwiStEr
Germany115 Posts
The new "lock" isnt worth jack as we see and was just to appease the masses. Once Season1 is over and we again have only koreans winning the backlash will come. Im barely interested anymore and might not watch at all ... so long and thx for all the fish | ||
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Shawngood
Germany473 Posts
On February 12 2014 20:24 DJHelium wrote: would love if someone explained it to me! 1. It means that players have a tight schedule outside of WCS and we are always trying to accomodate for that. If VortiX for example tells us that he usually has long days in the university during the week and would prefer to play on a Saturday we will try to arrange that. If Grubby or HasuObs have commitments to other tournaments (ESGN or EPS for example) we will try to plan their groups around that. If both TargA and Snute want to attend a Norwegian tournament during the first week of WCS they shouldn't be forced to choose between playing WCS or that national tournament. 2. It means that we re-roll the random draw if there are two players from the same nationality, two players from the same team or three players with the same race (unless unavoidable). 3. It means that we are using a seeding (this time: top 8 from 2013 season 3 = pool #1, top 8 players based on recent results/last WCS ranking = pool #2, 16 remaining players randomly = pool #3). The process is basically: Make sure #2 & #3 are accounted for, then check if a player can (schedule-wise) play in the group that is currently being drawn or has to be put in the next best group. I understand the advantages of a group draw show and we will definitely consider it for the future for its entertainment value. But the downside to it is that groups might have to get rescheduled or shuffled around because of schedule conflict, time constraints etc. That is one of the reasons why WCS America's group order was often screwed up last year ("Group H before Group A"-kind of stuff) and WCS Europe was always able to announce all groups plus their respective dates without making any further adjustment or changes. | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On February 14 2014 02:16 Shawngood wrote: 1. It means that players have a tight schedule outside of WCS and we are always trying to accomodate for that. If VortiX for example tells us that he usually has long days in the university during the week and would prefer to play on a Saturday we will try to arrange that. If Grubby or HasuObs have commitments to other tournaments (ESGN or EPS for example) we will try to plan their groups around that. If both TargA and Snute want to attend a Norwegian tournament during the first week of WCS they shouldn't be forced to choose between playing WCS or that national tournament. 2. It means that we re-roll the random draw if there are two players from the same nationality, two players from the same team or three players with the same race (unless unavoidable). 3. It means that we are using a seeding (this time: top 8 from 2013 season 3 = pool #1, top 8 players based on recent results/last WCS ranking = pool #2, 16 remaining players randomly = pool #3). The process is basically: Make sure #2 & #3 are accounted for, then check if a player can (schedule-wise) play in the group that is currently being drawn or has to be put in the next best group. I understand the advantages of a group draw show and we will definitely consider it for the future for its entertainment value. But the downside to it is that groups might have to get rescheduled or shuffled around because of schedule conflict, time constraints etc. That is one of the reasons why WCS America's group order was often screwed up last year ("Group H before Group A"-kind of stuff) and WCS Europe was always able to announce all groups plus their respective dates without making any further adjustment or changes. Seems reasonable! I disagree with rule 2, but I'd say it's subjective. For the future I think rules like this should be mentioned together with the announcement or be available on the WCS page. Cheers! | ||
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
Group B: Jjakji/Nerchio Group C: forGG/BabyK Group D: San/Dayshi Group F: Stardust/Happy Group G: Genius/TLO (this was hard) Group H: Welmu/MMA | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On February 14 2014 01:40 TwiStEr wrote: How is it ok for these groups to be so rigged in favour of koreans .... I was hoping for a EU champion for once. The new "lock" isnt worth jack as we see and was just to appease the masses. Once Season1 is over and we again have only koreans winning the backlash will come. Im barely interested anymore and might not watch at all ... so long and thx for all the fish Actually, the new soft region lock seems to have 'worked' in EU in the sense that a few Koreans quickly got together 200 wins on the EU ladder, which I doubt they would have done without this rule. I think it is also worth mentioning that there were 3 qualifiers for the WCS without Koreans competing from Korea (Jjakji is now living EU) and in the 4th, EU held against all Korean invaders, which was a bit of a surprise to me at least. So now we have 8 Koreans spread over 8 groups and only one of them is a newcomer. At the same time, Daisy dropped out of challenger, so the net total of Koreans in WCS EU remains the same. I don't really think many of them will get knocked out of the first group stage the way it has been set up. If all Koreans go through to the next group stage and if they place 2 Koreans in each group at that point we might have a total anticlimax coming up with 8 Koreans in the quarterfinals. Should that happen, I'll be joining you in expressing my gratitude for all all gill-bearing aquatic craniate animals that lack limbs with digits, and wait for the next qualifier to start. For the distribution I agree with most of the criteria set, though I disagree that Koreans can't meet given that there are so many of them. I also disagree with the rule that members of the same team cannot meet as I don't really see how this is improving the competition. | ||
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StrinterN
Denmark531 Posts
On February 14 2014 02:56 Darrkhan wrote: Group A: MC/Slivko (Naniwa will not make it I feel) Group B: Jjakji/Nerchio Group C: forGG/BabyK Group D: San/Dayshi Group F: Stardust/Happy Group G: Genius/TLO (this was hard) Group H: Welmu/MMA wow you have Slivko over Bunny and Naniwa :O You're crazy! | ||
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for_the_swarm
United States48 Posts
On February 14 2014 01:40 TwiStEr wrote: How is it ok for these groups to be so rigged in favour of koreans .... I was hoping for a EU champion for once. lol yea.. its the format of the tournament thats preventing a EU champion.. not the korean skill level.. Just like it was the format of the tournament that let the koreans win every single major tournament last year.. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On February 14 2014 23:38 StrinterN wrote: wow you have Slivko over Bunny and Naniwa :O You're crazy! you mean he has slivko over Bunny and MC? | ||
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vjcamarena
Spain493 Posts
On February 14 2014 02:16 Shawngood wrote: 1. It means that players have a tight schedule outside of WCS and we are always trying to accomodate for that. If VortiX for example tells us that he usually has long days in the university during the week and would prefer to play on a Saturday we will try to arrange that. If Grubby or HasuObs have commitments to other tournaments (ESGN or EPS for example) we will try to plan their groups around that. If both TargA and Snute want to attend a Norwegian tournament during the first week of WCS they shouldn't be forced to choose between playing WCS or that national tournament. 2. It means that we re-roll the random draw if there are two players from the same nationality, two players from the same team or three players with the same race (unless unavoidable). 3. It means that we are using a seeding (this time: top 8 from 2013 season 3 = pool #1, top 8 players based on recent results/last WCS ranking = pool #2, 16 remaining players randomly = pool #3). The process is basically: Make sure #2 & #3 are accounted for, then check if a player can (schedule-wise) play in the group that is currently being drawn or has to be put in the next best group. I understand the advantages of a group draw show and we will definitely consider it for the future for its entertainment value. But the downside to it is that groups might have to get rescheduled or shuffled around because of schedule conflict, time constraints etc. That is one of the reasons why WCS America's group order was often screwed up last year ("Group H before Group A"-kind of stuff) and WCS Europe was always able to announce all groups plus their respective dates without making any further adjustment or changes. Wow, thanks for doing this, this is great! I love the transparency here! | ||
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