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KT vs. SKT - Proleague Round 1 Finals

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics byshiroiusagi
February 11th, 2014 01:40 GMT
SKPlanet PRoleague

SK Telecom 2014
Proleague



Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

Videos on Youtube

SKT defeat Samsung

by Waxangel

After an exhausting playoff series that went all seven games and included Proleague's longest recorded game, SK Telecom T1 defeated Samsung Galaxy 4-3 to advance to the round one playoff finals. Though the previous day's playoff match between SKT and Jin Air had been decided by one player's hot streak, no one could build momentum in the match between SKT and Samsung as the two teams traded blow after blow. In the end, SKT's new signing (P)Classic (formerly of Soul) was able to overcome Samsung's ace player (Z)RorO on the seventh and final map to send SKT through to the finals.

Samsung Galaxy (3 - 4) SK Telecom T1

(P)Stork <Frost> (P)PartinG
(P)Stork <Bel'Shir Vestige> (Z)Soulkey
(T)Reality <Star Station> (Z)Soulkey
Reality vs. Soulkey ended in a draw and the map was re-played
(T)Reality <Star Station> (Z)Soulkey
(Z)Shine <Yeonsu> (Z)Soulkey
(Z)Shine <Outboxer> (P)Rain
(Z)RorO <The King Sejong Station> (P)Rain
(Z)RorO <Frost> (P)Classic


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Round 1 Finals: KT Rolster vs SK Telecom T1

Countdown:


Starters
(P)Zest < Yeonsu > (P)Rain

< Bel'Shir Vestige >
< The King Sejong Base >
< Star Station >
< Frost >
< Outboxer >
< Yeonsu >

In the end, it all comes down to this all too familiar matchup. SK Telecom T1 and KT Rolster are back in their familiar places on top of the mountain. After dividing the final four Brood War Proleague titles between themselves, the twin titans suffered embarrassment in StarCraft 2. CJ Entus and STX Soul took the first two SC2 Proleague championships, giving hope to all teams that the telecom tyranny had ended at last.

Only time will tell if SKT and KT can fully reestablish their dominance. Jin Air and Samsung gave them a run for their money in round one, and they will continue to make things difficult for them in the future. But tonight, at least, will be a retro night. It will be an old school celebration of StarCraft's two greatest empires.

SK Telecom T1


SKT should be better. Even for a team in the round one finals, that's not an unfair thing to say considering their roster. (P)Rain, (P)PartinG, (Z)soO, (Z)Soulkey, (P)Classic, (Z)Dark, (P)ParalyzE, (T)BrAvO, and hell, even (T)FanTaSy. That's a team that should be crushing other teams into a fine powder and mixing them in with their protein shakes.

Unfortunately, SKT have not reached their potential of being utterly invincible, settling instead at a disappointing "really, really good."

Part of their problem against Samsung was the lack of a credible Terran threat. With Samsung ace RorO having strong ZvZ and stellar ZvP, there wasn't any way for SKT to create a match-up problem for Samsung. RorO was always going to be deployable at any point and against anyone. Sure, he was always going to be hard pressed to carry his team to a win, but there was no one he really had to fear. Fortunately for SKT, the match-up situation against KT is much more favorable. KT's big one-two punch of Flash and TY are Terran, and both are susceptible to top level Protoss players. Those, SKT have in abundance.

Overall, the story for SKT against KT is the same as it was against Jin Air and Samsung. SKT are an all-kill waiting to happen, and they need just one player to go off to get an easy victory. Even if the match gets ugly like it did against Samsung, they have enough sheer quality to force out a win.

KT Rolster


This is a tough one for KT Rolster. (T)TY's 7-0 record in the regular season was truly impressive, but he is not without flaws. Even though he is better than most Terrans against Protoss, it's still a match-up KT would rather have him avoid (his TvP record since December: 6-8). (T)Flash's TvP record is even worse, standing at 3-9 over the same period. And as we mentioned above, SKT has plenty of strong Protoss players who would love to take out either of KT's key Terrans.

Outside TY and Flash, no one on KT really stands out. (P)Stats was the team's third best player at 3-2, and (P)Zest was the fourth best with a 2-4 record. (P)MyuNgSiK and (Z)Action also played small, almost negligible roles. Someone on the bench has to step up if KT Rolster are to have a chance in this match, but it's a bench that doesn't inspire much confidence.

Though it looks bad on paper for KT, anyone who's watched Proleague over the years will know someone does inevitable step up. KT are the epitome of a Proleague-first team, even more so than a team like SKT. Regardless of how poorly their players are performing in other tournaments, they always seem to bring their best to important Proleague matches. While newcomers to Proleague might look at Zest's 2-4 record and scoff, SKT fans are looking at him and already wondering what kind of b***shit he's going to pull off in this match before going on to suck in round 2 (they're getting angry right now, imagining this in their heads).

Indeed, it's Stats and Zest who have the best chance of throwing a spanner in the works for SKT. They are fully capable of taking on SKT's Protoss trio in mirror matches, and each Protoss they take out gives TY and Flash more freedom to do their work against SKT's Zerg line. They've drawn a fairly ideal first match in Zest vs Rain, where Zest will attempt to pull a Stork and put SKT on the backfoot.

Overall thoughts and prediction


Besides the ever-looming potential of an all-kill that could come from any of 5-6 players, there are two major factors in this match. If KT can successfully use PvP to thin SKT's Protoss line, TY and Flash have a chance to mop up the rest of the SKT roster. Regardless of the PvP situation, I get the feeling there will be least one pivotal ZvT match between Soulkey and Flash/TY.

Everything points to SKT winning here. Whether it was easy or ugly, they've come up with victories in both previous matches. At the same time, KT never cease to give you the vibe that they will always over-perform in Proleague, conjuring clutch performances out of thin air to steal victory from the jaws of defeat. I'm going with KT to win by a hair.

Prediction: KT win 4-3


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Writers: Waxangel.
Images and graphics: SpoTV, shiroiusagi.
Editors: Waxangel.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
February 11 2014 01:42 GMT
#2
It's a sad day when Bravo of all people is listed before Fantasy who along with Afrotoss and Rain is one of the only members of the old gaurd left

SKT to win btw.
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Azelja
Profile Joined May 2011
Japan762 Posts
February 11 2014 01:48 GMT
#3
KT's got dis! KT simply needs to get a big-time win against SKT again or else I'm gonna be a sad, sad panda

4:0, ez!
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 11 2014 01:48 GMT
#4
I want that one-two punch of Flash-TY to penetrate deep into the SKT lineup. Only an idiot would expect them to win against the wide protoss roster that SKT fields, but heart first, liquibet second.
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VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
February 11 2014 01:51 GMT
#5
On February 11 2014 10:42 Qikz wrote:
It's a sad day when Bravo of all people is listed before Fantasy who along with Afrotoss and Rain is one of the only members of the old gaurd left

SKT to win btw.

soO gets forgotten. His life in a summary.
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
February 11 2014 01:52 GMT
#6
KT all day every day.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 11 2014 01:54 GMT
#7
come on LR dudes thread me yo
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
February 11 2014 01:58 GMT
#8
Ahhhh KT vs SKT finals. All is finally right and true in the starcraft world.
Kimb3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany744 Posts
February 11 2014 02:03 GMT
#9
I hope KT wins this with Flash and TY owning hard those protosses!
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MysterySC
Profile Joined October 2012
Andorra109 Posts
February 11 2014 02:12 GMT
#10
SKT has got this, Not a flash fan and TY really is mainly getting one off wins vs b teamers. Honestly I could see a Classic all kill at this point
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50392 Posts
February 11 2014 02:16 GMT
#11
if wooki can at least 2 kill(even better if the second player is parting but I doubt it), Tae Yang can quick break SKT, other wise its a tough road.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 11 2014 02:17 GMT
#12
Oov man. Let's go SKT
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 02:20:00
February 11 2014 02:19 GMT
#13
On February 11 2014 10:42 Qikz wrote:
It's a sad day when Bravo of all people is listed before Fantasy who along with Afrotoss and Rain is one of the only members of the old gaurd left

SKT to win btw.

At least yesterday Bravo's "where am I and who I am" moment is epic.
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invisigoat
Profile Joined March 2013
184 Posts
February 11 2014 02:24 GMT
#14
SKT win looking something like this

Zest < Rain
TY > Rain
TY < PartinG
Stats < PartinG
Flash > PartinG
Flash < SoulKey

4-2 SKT GG
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
February 11 2014 02:25 GMT
#15
On February 11 2014 10:51 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 10:42 Qikz wrote:
It's a sad day when Bravo of all people is listed before Fantasy who along with Afrotoss and Rain is one of the only members of the old gaurd left

SKT to win btw.

soO gets forgotten. His life in a summary.


Such is the life of a home-grown SKT Zerg.

SKT fans are looking at him and already wondering what kind of b***shit he's going to pull off in this match before going on to suck in round 2 (they're getting angry right now, imagining this in their heads).


Inevitable, since there's no equivalent to Bisu that can just crush him now...
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Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
February 11 2014 02:31 GMT
#16
On February 11 2014 11:19 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 10:42 Qikz wrote:
It's a sad day when Bravo of all people is listed before Fantasy who along with Afrotoss and Rain is one of the only members of the old gaurd left

SKT to win btw.

At least yesterday Bravo's "where am I and who I am" moment is epic.


The implanted memories of Bravo are wearing off. He's becoming self aware he's just another July clone.
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
February 11 2014 02:36 GMT
#17
If Stats and Zest can win 1 PvP each, maybe even just one PvP, this is KT's
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DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
February 11 2014 02:37 GMT
#18
First match will decide a lot, I don't know what Zest and Stats look like in PvP but I know that Rain and Parting are looking kind of average in it. Soulkey will have to get work done if those two are any good at it.
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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7805 Posts
February 11 2014 02:39 GMT
#19
I'm surprised they decided to have a week inbetween round 1 and 2 of the playoffs but then decided to do round 2 and the finals a day a part from each other O_O. Not that I'm complaining. KT fighting, it's gonna be a tough match. Hopefully Zest pulls through.
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
February 11 2014 02:40 GMT
#20
Fantasy as a sniper vs flash/TY
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 11 2014 02:42 GMT
#21
On February 11 2014 11:39 Vasoline73 wrote:
I'm surprised they decided to have a week inbetween round 1 and 2 of the playoffs but then decided to do round 2 and the finals a day a part from each other O_O. Not that I'm complaining. KT fighting, it's gonna be a tough match. Hopefully Zest pulls through.

eh? all the playoff days were back to back
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Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 11 2014 02:46 GMT
#22
If Zest can All-Kill an STX with dear and innovation, All-Killing SKT should be a piece of cake.
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
February 11 2014 03:06 GMT
#23
GO FLASH
GO TY
GO KT!
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-niL
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada1131 Posts
February 11 2014 03:10 GMT
#24
SKT best KT EZPZ
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
February 11 2014 03:17 GMT
#25
I would be lying if I didn't think skt was going to ezpz this, but I'm still rooting for KT <3
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
nakedsurfer
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada500 Posts
February 11 2014 03:25 GMT
#26
Zest will win any pvp they throw at him. KT to win this ezpz
Root4Root
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
February 11 2014 03:26 GMT
#27
IT'S KT TIME.
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EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
February 11 2014 03:27 GMT
#28
Gogo SKT!
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
February 11 2014 03:36 GMT
#29
I'm going SKT 4-3. TY and Zest are beastly, but I think the Protoss trio of Rain, PartinG, and Classic may prove too tough to overcome...
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19268 Posts
February 11 2014 03:58 GMT
#30
These sc2 writers are pretty sketchy. What's with those predictions!?!
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bhfberserk
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada390 Posts
February 11 2014 04:03 GMT
#31
Go FLASHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! I hope there is a Flash vs Parting rematch. God needs revenge
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10196 Posts
February 11 2014 04:05 GMT
#32
TY all-kill incoming. Pepper your angus SKT. KT HWAITING!
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VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
February 11 2014 04:14 GMT
#33
On February 11 2014 12:58 BisuDagger wrote:
These sc2 writers are pretty sketchy. What's with those predictions!?!

Their bunkichlorian counts are simply not high enough.
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
189984268
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada299 Posts
February 11 2014 04:14 GMT
#34
SKT wins.
Prince_Stranger
Profile Joined November 2010
Kazakhstan762 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 05:07:58
February 11 2014 05:07 GMT
#35
Spoilers on the first page of TL. So sad. Just watched Soulkey vs Reality.
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
February 11 2014 05:07 GMT
#36
Rain all-kill PLEASE
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6330 Posts
February 11 2014 05:17 GMT
#37
On February 11 2014 14:07 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Spoilers on the first page of TL. So sad. Just watched Soulkey vs Reality.

If you don't want spoilers there is a no spoiler checkbox for you.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 05:24:40
February 11 2014 05:23 GMT
#38
Zest all-kill incoming, assuming he can take Soulkey. KT hwaiting!

On February 11 2014 14:07 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Spoilers on the first page of TL. So sad. Just watched Soulkey vs Reality.

Or just don't look at the front page of a news site, that always features recent results, before watching the vods
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Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
February 11 2014 05:25 GMT
#39
KT Best KT
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iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 05:26:30
February 11 2014 05:26 GMT
#40
On February 11 2014 12:58 BisuDagger wrote:
These sc2 writers are pretty sketchy. What's with those predictions!?!

[image loading]
Woo Jung Ho
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 11 2014 05:28 GMT
#41
On February 11 2014 14:26 iLoveKT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 12:58 BisuDagger wrote:
These sc2 writers are pretty sketchy. What's with those predictions!?!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

I find that offensive and degrading to pails.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
February 11 2014 05:34 GMT
#42
On February 11 2014 13:05 FlaShFTW wrote:
TY all-kill incoming. Pepper your angus SKT. KT HWAITING!

How can TY all kill if Zest is going to beat Rain?
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SorrowShine
Profile Joined October 2011
698 Posts
February 11 2014 05:57 GMT
#43
I dont see kt winning. Sorry. Just all the wrong match ups. Telekom have so much more to outmaneuver them. Myungsik i feel is the only hope
Nukid
Profile Joined April 2010
United States240 Posts
February 11 2014 06:00 GMT
#44
go KT. Will be rooting for you
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
February 11 2014 06:01 GMT
#45
ACE: FLASH VS FANTASY MOTHERFUCKERS
plastic.zealot
Profile Joined January 2013
United States10 Posts
February 11 2014 06:13 GMT
#46
Predicting 4-2 for SKT1! With KT to take first game.
PonceDeLEGABE
Profile Joined March 2011
United States117 Posts
February 11 2014 06:16 GMT
#47
Briliant predictions Wax im for the same. It all depends on this fight if either protoss player wins what would be there response? would KT place either Stats or Myungsik to thin them out if zest loses? How would SKT respond if they lose are they willing to put in another Protoss player. Going to be a fun day cant wait.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
February 11 2014 07:08 GMT
#48
On February 11 2014 11:40 DBS wrote:
Fantasy as a sniper vs flash/TY


Fantasy will keep the bench warm, so the good players are comfortable.

SKT best KT.
Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
February 11 2014 07:38 GMT
#49
Head: SKTelecom
Heart: KTRolster
KT FIGHTING!!!
Once rode a waterslide with PartinG and TaeJa ✌
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
February 11 2014 07:53 GMT
#50
KT zerg playoff bonjwas
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 07:58:41
February 11 2014 07:58 GMT
#51
While newcomers to Proleague might look at Zest's 2-4 record and scoff, SKT fans are looking at him and already wondering what kind of b***shit he's going to pull off in this match before going on to suck in round 2 (they're getting angry right now, imagining this in their heads).


Couldn't have put it any more beautifully mate. Such is the burden we carry as SKT fans taking on the old enemy

SKT hwaiting!!!
RatzBarcode
Profile Joined December 2013
United States98 Posts
February 11 2014 08:28 GMT
#52
Stats or Zest have to win at least one PvP to save Flash and TY from the Protoss. If Stats and Zest both get a win, KT rolls.
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
February 11 2014 08:34 GMT
#53
Whoever wins I don't see 4-3 here.
beefITek
Profile Joined June 2011
France54 Posts
February 11 2014 09:06 GMT
#54
If KT can successfully use PvP to thin SKT's Protoss line


Means only P can beat P ?
HAHA
CrazyHunter
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
United States83 Posts
February 11 2014 09:28 GMT
#55
SKT ALL THE WAY! Woot Woot! PartinG and Rain!
The strong live. The weak die
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
February 11 2014 09:41 GMT
#56
Come ON KT!!

Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
February 11 2014 09:48 GMT
#57
KT TOO STRONG!!
therabit
Profile Joined August 2011
795 Posts
February 11 2014 09:49 GMT
#58
could rain have just kept zest at the ramp there?
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
February 11 2014 09:51 GMT
#59
On February 11 2014 18:49 therabit wrote:
could rain have just kept zest at the ramp there?


He had no forcefield energy.

Uhhuh Soulkey already?
Magnifico
Profile Joined March 2013
1958 Posts
February 11 2014 09:52 GMT
#60
Belshir XD
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
February 11 2014 10:16 GMT
#61
Why do zergs get SO MANY corruptors?
Because they're a shitty unit, so the number seems necessary. >_<
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Quixotic_tv
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany130 Posts
February 11 2014 11:19 GMT
#62
Could someone tell me what PartinG wrote?

Thx in advance.
Life always finds a way.
Moridin
Profile Joined December 2009
Bulgaria164 Posts
February 11 2014 11:26 GMT
#63
Zest powned hard the so called dream team of SKT..I hope next time we get more exciting matches. Z
It's about time.
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
February 11 2014 11:26 GMT
#64
Lol KT didn't even break a sweat.
rly ?
misspoo
Profile Joined December 2012
France63 Posts
February 11 2014 11:30 GMT
#65
A clean victory. Yesterday was a funny day.
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
February 11 2014 11:34 GMT
#66
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Proleague/Round_2

When you look at the round 2 of the Proleague it seems that they are planning on using the same maps. Is it confirmed or will the Kespa make the usual map rotation ?
rly ?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
February 11 2014 11:35 GMT
#67
On February 11 2014 20:34 algue wrote:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2014_Proleague/Round_2

When you look at the round 2 of the Proleague it seems that they are planning on using the same maps. Is it confirmed or will the Kespa make the usual map rotation ?

they probably will - last year at the beginning of the round it seemed like they had set maps all the way, too, but they changed it
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Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
February 11 2014 11:44 GMT
#68
On February 11 2014 20:19 papalion wrote:
Could someone tell me what PartinG wrote?

Thx in advance.

Nothing. That was the automated "PartinG has not rebuilt their base and is being revealed" message.
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Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia551 Posts
February 11 2014 11:53 GMT
#69
This format is stupid, SKT had to play 3 matches in a row within 3 days whilst KT has all the time to prepare and analyse SKT's games. Too much of an advantage to the team that finishes in 1st place and is seeded into the round final and seriously just makes playoffs pointless...
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 11 2014 11:54 GMT
#70
I rooted for KT. I like more of their players. I liked their previous performances in proleague. I liked their Terran.

Then Zest came with a push broom gripped in two hands. He swept up the first three games. SKT players were on their backsides all across the stage struggling to get up in a daze.

Then I started rooting against KT in game 4. Lose a game so I can see a darn terran staying up until 4 am for these epic finals. Don't lose the entire set, just lose a game. Show me a Flash or TY.

Ended up hating KT. That'll last through tomorrow. Then back to KT fighting!
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44191 Posts
February 11 2014 11:56 GMT
#71
On February 11 2014 20:54 Danglars wrote:
I rooted for KT. I like more of their players. I liked their previous performances in proleague. I liked their Terran.

Then Zest came with a push broom gripped in two hands. He swept up the first three games. SKT players were on their backsides all across the stage struggling to get up in a daze.

Then I started rooting against KT in game 4. Lose a game so I can see a darn terran staying up until 4 am for these epic finals. Don't lose the entire set, just lose a game. Show me a Flash or TY.

Ended up hating KT. That'll last through tomorrow. Then back to KT fighting!

Felt the same thing.
this is a quote
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 12:06:14
February 11 2014 12:04 GMT
#72
On February 11 2014 20:53 Khai wrote:
This format is stupid, SKT had to play 3 matches in a row within 3 days whilst KT has all the time to prepare and analyse SKT's games. Too much of an advantage to the team that finishes in 1st place and is seeded into the round final and seriously just makes playoffs pointless...


Its true KT can analyze SKT1, but they can't really prepare specifically for them except with 1 day of advanced notice. The only thing KT could do is just focus on the fundamentals up until they know for sure who their adversary will be.

The preparation part also didn't even fully come into play, usually you analyze each player and map and determine the most likely order in which they come out and you plan snipers for specific MUs and maps, however KT didn't even need to rely on that since everybody just died to Zest. Now Zest could likely have been prepared to face a protoss on the first map, but after that its all up in the air who he faces and he has to adapt on the fly.

Its SKT1's fault for not having a strong sniper specifically for Zest or his fault for not really doing his job and killing Zest.

Now if SKT1 are sloppy enough to not change up their strategies after having played so many games its their fault and they deserved what happened to them.

Also, Flawless Victory!!!
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weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
February 11 2014 12:09 GMT
#73
Hope Flash can put up a good fight against Parting and Soulkey....
Oppa feeding style
eonrulz
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom225 Posts
February 11 2014 12:17 GMT
#74
While newcomers to Proleague might look at Zest's 2-4 record and scoff, SKT fans are looking at him and already wondering what kind of b***shit he's going to pull off in this match before going on to suck in round 2 (they're getting angry right now, imagining this in their heads).


Well this turned out to be quite prophetic.
Boop!
prOPOns
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
Germany60 Posts
February 11 2014 12:37 GMT
#75
fuck
★ Kim Taek Yong <3 ★ SKT1.PartinG <3 ★ SKT1.Classic ★ CJ.Sora ★ EG.Jaedong ★
Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia551 Posts
February 11 2014 13:10 GMT
#76
On February 11 2014 21:04 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 20:53 Khai wrote:
This format is stupid, SKT had to play 3 matches in a row within 3 days whilst KT has all the time to prepare and analyse SKT's games. Too much of an advantage to the team that finishes in 1st place and is seeded into the round final and seriously just makes playoffs pointless...


Its true KT can analyze SKT1, but they can't really prepare specifically for them except with 1 day of advanced notice. The only thing KT could do is just focus on the fundamentals up until they know for sure who their adversary will be.

The preparation part also didn't even fully come into play, usually you analyze each player and map and determine the most likely order in which they come out and you plan snipers for specific MUs and maps, however KT didn't even need to rely on that since everybody just died to Zest. Now Zest could likely have been prepared to face a protoss on the first map, but after that its all up in the air who he faces and he has to adapt on the fly.

Its SKT1's fault for not having a strong sniper specifically for Zest or his fault for not really doing his job and killing Zest.

Now if SKT1 are sloppy enough to not change up their strategies after having played so many games its their fault and they deserved what happened to them.

Also, Flawless Victory!!!


I don't think it works that simply for progamers, KT have watched all the SKT vs Jin Air, SKT vs Samsung games thus had the opportunity to prepare against any practiced builds or recent style shown in general. SKT doesn't have that resource as KT didn't need to play, furthermore their focus would be on Jin Air and then Samsung. At top pro level preparation against specific styles are very important, i.e. a lot of players have rather obvious styles Rain's safe macro play with harassment, Roro's Corruptor and Swarm Host turtling style. Having been able to watch and then prepare for that makes a difference.

True Zest was amazing to win an all kill but he would've also had more time to prepare and more resources for reference thus would've had an edge also KT would've had the advantage of preparing for either SKT or Samsung since yesterday whereas SKT with a match against Samsung would no doubt only focus on preparing against Samsung. The simplest way to think about it was SKT had no time or very recent games of Zest to analyse and prepare for whereas Zest would've had plenty of information and thus will have an easier time preparing, also more time given they didn't have to play a match. (My theory is that SKT prepares for Samsung 100% before yesterday whereas KT can be preparing for either with 50% to each and will not have the other finalist with preparation against them)

Sorry for wall of text, TLDR I'm trying to say that at pro level it's different and preparation is important, slightest time and information advantage will give an important edge to any match.
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 11 2014 13:16 GMT
#77
Any one who has read interviews or has a modicum of common sense would know that Progamers prepare for 1-2 games max in AK format. Zest prepared a build for the first game and probably had a few ideas depending on who came out for the second, but no way he would have anticipated the third or fourth; he winged them. SKT lost not because they had a lack of preparation, but because they were the inferior team and hence destined to be Silver KT.

Geez, people need to stop finding excuses for everything that doesn't go their way.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 14:44:58
February 11 2014 14:28 GMT
#78
On February 11 2014 14:23 Scarecrow wrote:
Zest all-kill incoming, assuming he can take Soulkey. KT hwaiting!

Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 14:07 Prince_Stranger wrote:
Spoilers on the first page of TL. So sad. Just watched Soulkey vs Reality.

Or just don't look at the front page of a news site, that always features recent results, before watching the vods

This mofo. SO DAMN ACCURATE

On February 11 2014 22:16 Pangpootata wrote:
Any one who has read interviews or has a modicum of common sense would know that Progamers prepare for 1-2 games max in AK format. Zest prepared a build for the first game and probably had a few ideas depending on who came out for the second, but no way he would have anticipated the third or fourth; he winged them. SKT lost not because they had a lack of preparation, but because they were the inferior team and hence destined to be Silver KT.

Geez, people need to stop finding excuses for everything that doesn't go their way.


This is what players who know they'll get sent out do:

Player 1 practices for Maps 1-4, Player 2s play Maps 2-7, 3s play 3-7 and 4 play 4-7. He has to practice 10 match-ups in case of random snipes; but will probably need to only focus on 6-7 because of map rotation.

Wooki trained hard to get that all-kill. Give your boy his due.

Edit: OH CRAP Double-Post. Should've quoted this instead in this post
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 14:44:30
February 11 2014 14:38 GMT
#79
Edit: Removed double-post consolidated in earlier post instead!
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Pegas
Profile Joined April 2012
Romania211 Posts
February 11 2014 15:36 GMT
#80
༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ THE POWER OF PROTOSS ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ

Seriously not a single Terran made me cry (so wanted to see Flash or TY).

User was warned for this post
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nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
February 11 2014 23:06 GMT
#81
On February 12 2014 00:36 Pegas wrote:
༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ THE POWER OF PROTOSS ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ

Seriously not a single Terran made me cry (so wanted to see Flash or TY).

User was warned for this post

Not really sure why there is warn here o_O
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
February 12 2014 02:05 GMT
#82
On February 11 2014 23:28 Ciryandor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 22:16 Pangpootata wrote:
Any one who has read interviews or has a modicum of common sense would know that Progamers prepare for 1-2 games max in AK format. Zest prepared a build for the first game and probably had a few ideas depending on who came out for the second, but no way he would have anticipated the third or fourth; he winged them. SKT lost not because they had a lack of preparation, but because they were the inferior team and hence destined to be Silver KT.

Geez, people need to stop finding excuses for everything that doesn't go their way.


This is what players who know they'll get sent out do:

Player 1 practices for Maps 1-4, Player 2s play Maps 2-7, 3s play 3-7 and 4 play 4-7. He has to practice 10 match-ups in case of random snipes; but will probably need to only focus on 6-7 because of map rotation.

Wooki trained hard to get that all-kill. Give your boy his due.

Edit: OH CRAP Double-Post. Should've quoted this instead in this post

Practising for 10 matchups is stupid. If you read interviews of AK format MVPs in the past, you will see that most of them say they only practiced for the first game, and relied on their fundamentals for the rest. No point caring about third or fourth games that you are unlikely to reach; better to focus most of your energy on the first game.
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 12 2014 02:08 GMT
#83
On February 12 2014 08:06 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 00:36 Pegas wrote:
༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ THE POWER OF PROTOSS ༼ つ ◕_◕༽つ

Seriously not a single Terran made me cry (so wanted to see Flash or TY).

User was warned for this post

Not really sure why there is warn here o_O

Discussing warnings and bans usually goes in the Automated ban list thread and the reason is likely the twitch memes and not so subtle balance whine.
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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
February 12 2014 10:05 GMT
#84
On February 12 2014 11:05 Pangpootata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 23:28 Ciryandor wrote:
On February 11 2014 22:16 Pangpootata wrote:
Any one who has read interviews or has a modicum of common sense would know that Progamers prepare for 1-2 games max in AK format. Zest prepared a build for the first game and probably had a few ideas depending on who came out for the second, but no way he would have anticipated the third or fourth; he winged them. SKT lost not because they had a lack of preparation, but because they were the inferior team and hence destined to be Silver KT.

Geez, people need to stop finding excuses for everything that doesn't go their way.


This is what players who know they'll get sent out do:

Player 1 practices for Maps 1-4, Player 2s play Maps 2-7, 3s play 3-7 and 4 play 4-7. He has to practice 10 match-ups in case of random snipes; but will probably need to only focus on 6-7 because of map rotation.

Wooki trained hard to get that all-kill. Give your boy his due.

Edit: OH CRAP Double-Post. Should've quoted this instead in this post

Practising for 10 matchups is stupid. If you read interviews of AK format MVPs in the past, you will see that most of them say they only practiced for the first game, and relied on their fundamentals for the rest. No point caring about third or fourth games that you are unlikely to reach; better to focus most of your energy on the first game.


Maybe a different era of AKs for me (late-era BW). 1st game AKs had the players saying they practiced for the first match AND for the likeliest match-up of each of the other maps they could potentially play in. Later games simply said they practiced on maps w/ their likeliest match/es.
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DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
February 13 2014 22:19 GMT
#85
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